**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 29 03:00:02 2017 Dec 29 03:55:09 good morning Maemo Dec 29 04:02:21 yesterday I installed boot-menu(fanoush's) and "kernel power53" want to have 2 operating systems namely , when enabled, the boot menu appeared, there are 2 lines of choice 1. maemo5 2.poweroff Dec 29 04:03:37 the second OS I downloaded Devuan Dec 29 04:03:56 https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/embedded/ Dec 29 04:04:05 n900.img Dec 29 04:04:29 I unpacked it using `dd` Dec 29 04:08:29 dd if=n900.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=64K ; sync , but the second OS I don't see Dec 29 04:33:21 you need to also have a bootmenu item file Dec 29 05:04:43 sicelo: thanks,but how? Dec 29 05:07:19 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/bootmenu/ yeah Dec 29 05:10:44 sicelo: it remains to understand how to add :) Dec 29 06:33:27 * luke-jr wonders how Devuan works considering the N900 kernel is not supported by any recent glibc Dec 29 06:35:50 luke-jr: you are aware about mainlining work of fmg and pali? Dec 29 06:41:45 can someone help me? I installed Recovery Mode + DevuanOS how to make bootmenu to see the OS? Dec 29 06:43:41 KotCzarny: no Dec 29 06:44:17 the whole idea is to have maemo on generic linux device with mainline kernel Dec 29 06:44:30 which also includes n900 with mainline kernel Dec 29 06:45:21 they chose devuan as a distro of choice Dec 29 06:45:39 that's why there is devuan image specifically for n900 too Dec 29 06:46:16 fmg uses cheap allwinner a33 tablet as a 'generic device' Dec 29 07:27:03 * CatButts awakes from his asleep Dec 29 08:12:06 CatButts So I see you found a way to solve the problem with wpa_supplicant.conf. What was it? Dec 29 08:12:23 read the text file Dec 29 08:12:29 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/devuan_steps.txt Dec 29 08:13:05 Yeah, I read that, but did you create wpa_supplicant.conf from scratch? Dec 29 08:14:41 # nano /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf Dec 29 08:14:43 yes Dec 29 08:14:52 this creates file if it doesn't exist Dec 29 08:15:10 I love you, nano Dec 29 08:15:25 * CatButts snarls at vi/vim Dec 29 08:15:44 Ah ok. In my case I installed wpa_supplicant, and probably the wpa_supplicant.conf was included with the installation. Dec 29 08:16:12 this guide is strictly for THAT downloaded image Dec 29 08:17:35 why don't you just use wpa_passphrase? Dec 29 08:17:35 so, what's the next thing to do? Dec 29 08:17:49 how do you use that Dec 29 08:18:03 CatButts: did you have to get a 4.x kernel first, or was it in the image already? Dec 29 08:18:20 it must have been in the image Dec 29 08:18:28 let me do an uname -a Dec 29 08:19:00 good. help to know :-) Dec 29 08:19:22 hmmm Dec 29 08:19:23 Now to update the system, I'd use apt-get. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement Dec 29 08:19:37 one oddity Dec 29 08:19:45 I booted up uboot Dec 29 08:19:52 no backlit keyboard! Dec 29 08:19:52 freemangordon Hi, long time we don't see each other. How are you? Dec 29 08:19:58 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Dec 29 08:20:08 doing fine, REing icd2 :) Dec 29 08:20:25 Don't know what icd2 is... Dec 29 08:20:36 that's great freemangordon Dec 29 08:20:53 What's the present situation with the Hildon? Dec 29 08:21:39 why is thing not backlit? Dec 29 08:21:50 not even in devuan Dec 29 08:22:07 Enrico_Menotti: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/icd2/index.html Dec 29 08:22:14 catbutts: stop complaining, start coding Dec 29 08:22:27 I ain't coding Dec 29 08:22:36 I am writing newbie guide Dec 29 08:22:43 while being spoonfed Dec 29 08:22:50 how about that Dec 29 08:23:06 Enrico_Menotti: https://github.com/maemo-leste Dec 29 08:23:10 re hildon Dec 29 08:24:50 the thing made me turn my lights on Dec 29 08:24:57 this is all your fault, KotCzarny Dec 29 08:25:01 :P Dec 29 08:25:17 So there's a new Maemo release??? WOW!!! Dec 29 08:25:52 freemangordon I understand Hildon is ready, right? Dec 29 08:27:00 ready for testing, yes Dec 29 08:27:11 first thing gonna do Dec 29 08:27:14 Well done!!! Dec 29 08:27:14 still a couple of bugs, see issue tracker Dec 29 08:27:21 apt-get update Dec 29 08:27:25 apt-get upgrade Dec 29 08:27:29 I will consider installing and testing! Dec 29 08:27:46 enrico: better get second n900 for testing Dec 29 08:28:03 i suspect it's not entirely ready to be used as a main system Dec 29 08:28:25 KotCzarny Oh, my N900 is not my primary device. I use it just for playing with the system. Dec 29 08:28:29 Enrico_Menotti: won;t work on n900, you need device with GPU drivers Dec 29 08:28:44 with upstream kernel that is Dec 29 08:29:27 KotCzarny: no need to suspect, it is far from ready Dec 29 08:29:30 :) Dec 29 08:29:46 freemangordon Sorry? Isn't Devuan on N900, then with upstream kernel, suitable for testing the Hildon? Dec 29 08:30:00 it is suitable, but you need drivers Dec 29 08:30:18 for SGX530 Dec 29 08:30:35 SGX530 is the N900 GPU? Dec 29 08:30:39 yes Dec 29 08:30:49 And no drivers in upstream kernel? Dec 29 08:30:56 hi freemangordon ) Dec 29 08:31:06 hi KotCzarny CatButts :) Dec 29 08:31:07 no, you can get them from TI Dec 29 08:31:49 vahe: hi Dec 29 08:31:51 Ah, ok. Is this possible? I mean, I can browse TI's website, find the drivers, and have them work with mainline kernel? Dec 29 08:32:04 in theory, yes Dec 29 08:32:19 And I think these drivers are included in original Maemo's kernel, right? Dec 29 08:32:47 also, you'll need xorg omap driver and https://github.com/freemangordon/pvr Dec 29 08:33:14 after an 'apt-get upgrade' Dec 29 08:33:15 none of these was tested, so be my guest :) Dec 29 08:33:20 do I need to clean packages? Dec 29 08:33:31 or is it automagic? Dec 29 08:33:42 downloaded tarballs Dec 29 08:33:57 Enrico_Menotti: https://github.com/maemo-leste/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev is xorg driver Dec 29 08:33:59 freemangordon I already stepped upon dri2 some time ago. Don't remember what it be, however. Dec 29 08:34:20 guys I was one step for the "Devuan" I need `Devuan.item` sorry to disturb you :D Dec 29 08:35:10 ".item" don't know what text I should write Dec 29 08:35:43 vahe: chek u-boot thread on TMO Dec 29 08:35:47 *check Dec 29 08:37:19 freemangordon All you did is very very very nice. I'll put on this on queue for my next days. I'm on holiday till January, 7th, so I hope I have time to start playing with it. Dec 29 08:37:46 Just one thing: all these things are to be built from source, right? Dec 29 08:38:48 yes Dec 29 08:39:10 Enrico_Menotti: there is already a repo with most of the packages pre-build Dec 29 08:39:43 http://maedevu.maemo.org/ Dec 29 08:40:01 Enrico_Menotti: see http://sprunge.us/iOYL for how to add the repo Dec 29 08:40:47 make sure to use armel, not armhf as maemo userspace you're going to reuse is armel Dec 29 08:42:01 Alright, gathered all info. Will do in the next days. Dec 29 08:42:30 wish you luck Dec 29 08:42:32 What's Kawai? Is that a piano? (Musical instrument with a keyboard.) Dec 29 08:42:38 :) Dec 29 08:42:53 And what's Leste? Is that another wind name? Dec 29 08:43:04 ignore that, Wizzup invented it as a transitional name Dec 29 08:43:15 yes, leste is a wind Dec 29 08:43:16 Kawai or Leste? Dec 29 08:43:23 ignore kawai Dec 29 08:43:38 me-moleste, expresses how much developers were stressed during creating it :P Dec 29 08:43:43 use leste instead of kawai Dec 29 08:43:45 Where is that wind? Dec 29 08:44:21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leste Dec 29 08:44:49 Canary islands. Nice place for holidays. Dec 29 08:45:17 freemangordon: check TMO? how ? and what is TMO Dec 29 08:45:45 I also like a lot Bora. Very cold wind typical of my region (especially Trieste). Coming from Russia. Name already used, however, right? Dec 29 08:45:54 vahe talk.maemo.org Dec 29 08:46:21 right Dec 29 08:46:55 * freemangordon is going afk Dec 29 08:47:31 freemangordon Have a nice day, thanks for all the info! Dec 29 08:47:47 I'm going to do other things now, so wish a nice day everybody! Dec 29 08:53:07 how do I activate keyboard light from console? Dec 29 08:54:04 [10:43] Where is that wind? Dec 29 08:54:10 * CatButts farts Dec 29 08:55:48 I think I need to shop around for graphical interfaces Dec 29 08:55:54 Bora is a wind typical of north-east Italy. Especially the city of Trieste and sorroundings. Dec 29 08:56:04 something that would make sense on an n900 Dec 29 08:56:32 There's a simple way to turn on the keyboard lights, I'm looking for that - I don't remember exactly, right now. Dec 29 08:56:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rur_QAoVZmw it's not xset :P Dec 29 08:57:40 has to be something that is already on the devuan image Dec 29 08:57:51 the first thing when you enter the room Dec 29 08:57:55 is turn on the lights Dec 29 08:58:36 also, do I need to do a cleanup after apt-get upgrade? Dec 29 09:11:17 CatButts Sorry, right now I don't get the single instruction for turning keyboard lights on. It's just writing a specific value to a specific system file, but I find commands a bit more complicated than the one I knew. I have a batch on my N900 to turn lights on, but can't access it right now. Dec 29 09:11:51 Have to do other things now - maybe will see this later. Dec 29 09:11:52 then it's outside the scope of this tutoriak Dec 29 09:12:21 I want to know if cleanup is needed after 'apt-get upgrade' Dec 29 09:12:57 As far as I remember, apt-get upgrade upgrades all packages, but does not remove any old one that is not needed anymore. Dec 29 09:13:17 I mean Dec 29 09:13:17 There's also apt-get dist-upgrade, if I'm right, which upgrades and cleans up. Dec 29 09:13:42 packages are downloaded Dec 29 09:13:45 But these commands are delicate to use. You may ruin your system if something is going wrong. Dec 29 09:14:04 during apt-get upgrade Dec 29 09:14:13 are they left there or deleted? Dec 29 09:14:43 Don't know, probably they are put in a temporary place, but I'm not sure. Dec 29 09:18:30 I was to do something.... Dec 29 09:18:32 hmmmmmm Dec 29 09:19:13 [10:18] let me do an uname -a Dec 29 09:19:14 [10:19] good. help to know :-) Dec 29 09:19:18 there we go Dec 29 09:20:31 devuan 4.10.17 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 00:28:43 CEST 2017 armv71 GNU/Linux Dec 29 09:34:23 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8MSxFQ7qIf0/Uox1O7LVfmI/AAAAAAAABd4/DkYZfjb2v7A/s1600/aptitude-menu.jpg Dec 29 09:34:34 oh hey, it even comes with minesweeper! Dec 29 09:34:38 I'm sold Dec 29 09:58:41 this extra vodka is making me extra joly Dec 29 09:59:15 right, so, 'apt-get clean' after every 'apt-get upgrade' Dec 29 10:01:22 how come? Dec 29 10:02:20 he has small... sdcard Dec 29 10:02:23 ;) Dec 29 10:02:41 :D Dec 29 10:49:18 I have smooches somebody can tell how to launch the "devuan" ? everything is all set left configuration .".item" which is no where Dec 29 10:49:55 everything is already set up I just don't know what parameters Dec 29 10:50:31 https://bpaste.net/show/94844ce003cd Dec 29 10:51:38 I ran said not found dev/mmcblk0p1/uImage Dec 29 10:57:47 lol Dec 29 10:57:53 https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/blob/master/doc/quirks.md Dec 29 10:58:29 just needed to write "run sdboot" Dec 29 10:58:32 thanks all Dec 29 11:00:26 One-liner : datestamp="$(date +"/home/user/MyDocs/Downloads/wget/%Y%m%d_%H_%M_%S/")"; wget --no-check-certificate -P "$datestamp" https://i.imgur.com/jb0Uw7A.jpg && hildon-mime-summon "$datestamp$(ls "$datestamp")" Dec 29 11:00:59 Of course, once advanced fuctionality is thrown it, it will have to be expanded beyond one-liner Dec 29 11:02:58 And of course, this one-liner works fine in X Terminal, but not at all in Browser Switchboard... Dec 29 11:03:38 https://i.imgur.com/yLDHoP7.png Dec 29 11:03:40 :D Dec 29 11:05:28 Vim I know tolerably well. What I don't know, it how browser switchboard works. Dec 29 11:11:40 lol Dec 29 11:12:59 vahe, are you attempting the devuan thing on n900? Dec 29 11:13:04 yup Dec 29 11:13:20 works perfectly Dec 29 11:13:24 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/devuan_steps.txt I have these done Dec 29 11:13:32 feel free to follow and suggest aditions Dec 29 11:13:47 or corrections Dec 29 11:14:42 I want to turn it into a wiki entry when mature enough Dec 29 11:15:02 Nice ) Dec 29 11:15:06 CatButts: I one day spent on one prophetic which you have not written Dec 29 11:15:21 ? Dec 29 11:15:28 didn't quite comprehend Dec 29 11:17:07 boot Dec 29 11:17:19 poot Dec 29 11:17:43 apt-get install u-boot-tools u-boot flasher Dec 29 11:18:04 next To boot, dd the image to a microSD card, and in the uboot console, type: run sdboot Dec 29 11:18:11 https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/blob/master/doc/quirks.md Dec 29 11:18:37 don't need kernel power53 Dec 29 11:18:56 correct Dec 29 11:19:02 but that's what I use Dec 29 11:19:37 so you say, in the guide I didn't detail the uboot installation step Dec 29 11:20:00 you have correctly written all only add about boot ) Dec 29 11:20:02 nice Dec 29 11:20:30 If I replace hildon-mime-summon in one-liner with echo, it works better in X Terminal (as in, doesn't get stuck unending in command-line waiting for Ctrl-C). No idea if that's related to the browser-switchboard problem though Dec 29 11:20:35 really thanks for the help I'll keep your post Dec 29 11:21:38 help back by adding to it Dec 29 11:22:23 :) Dec 29 11:26:07 http://cat.butt.care:3434/priv/devuan_steps.txt Dec 29 11:26:11 how is it meow? Dec 29 11:28:12 In short, hildon-mime-summon probably needs code editing to make sure it does actually exit upon doing what it was called to do. Besides proper packaging... Dec 29 11:31:28 CatButts: xzcat devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_n900.img.xz | dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=2M Dec 29 11:31:30 Can and so I did so :) Dec 29 11:32:02 are you doing that on the phone? Dec 29 11:32:06 no Dec 29 11:32:08 pc Dec 29 11:32:09 good Dec 29 11:32:54 img.xz whether it is possible not to unpack ) Dec 29 11:32:57 this guide is meant to be done in 3 places Dec 29 11:33:16 any OS, maemo on n900, Devuan on n900 Dec 29 11:33:23 yup ) Dec 29 11:41:17 CatButts: dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_n900.img of=/dev/mmcblk1? Dec 29 11:41:38 yes Dec 29 11:41:39 but Dec 29 11:41:53 check that /dev/mmcblk1 is the one Dec 29 11:41:58 !important Dec 29 11:42:06 dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_n900.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1024 seek=8 && sync Dec 29 11:42:39 try mount Dec 29 11:42:39 see https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_jessie/embedded/README.txt Dec 29 11:42:57 why the seek/skip btw? Dec 29 11:43:07 no idea Dec 29 11:43:17 I never used them Dec 29 11:44:21 vahe? Dec 29 11:44:43 ahh, part of the readme Dec 29 11:45:06 would have to look at what's in that first 8 to see why it's offset Dec 29 11:45:15 readme should describe it boohiss Dec 29 11:45:53 CatButts: I'm sure Dec 29 11:46:12 be sure `sync` Dec 29 11:46:18 mmcblk0 Dec 29 11:46:35 be careful where you dd Dec 29 11:46:48 one is emmc, the other is your SD card Dec 29 11:47:00 you wouldn't want to fuckle the former Dec 29 11:48:02 I am tired. In attempt to figure out why one-liner doesn't work with browser-switchboard, I put it as a file in /usr/bin. Now I don't know how to explain this /usr/bin/zebra to eat the url fed to script. %1 doesn't work. Dec 29 11:49:33 Quotes or no quotes, wget fails to resolve %1 Dec 29 12:16:27 CatButts: https://spyurk.am/posts/a4a72a40cebf013578f9746d04923301 :) Dec 29 12:17:09 I am from Armenia and wrote for us Dec 29 12:17:22 screenshots of my Dec 29 12:30:30 Works now! 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xqgxhglp: Wizzup atk Cor-Ai ArGGu^^ Linkandz Kabouik_ sixwheeledbeast geaaru jon_y eMHa peetah luke-jr heroux XDS2010|AFK NIN101 Vajb l_bratch herekun xy2_ p Dec 29 14:42:43 04,03▄07,04▄09,11▄06,11▄09,07▄08,10▄06,03▄03,03▄08,07▄06,05▄03,10▄05,05▄06,06▄10,05▄10,09▄10 IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG IS HOSTING THE DDOS AND FLOODING CHALLENGE..PLEASE SEE VAP0R IN #SUPERBOWL FOR DETAILS!! wuajlmatej: phlixi Cor-Ai luke-jr sunshavi timeless clopez Pali XDS2010|AFK l_bratch atk Elleo vectis3 LauRoman zgrepc herekun Vajb Kilroo sixwheeledbeast RzR xy2_ FalconSpy DocScrutinize Dec 29 14:42:50 12,05▄12,06▄07,04▄11,03▄04,08▄09,10▄06,06▄08,10▄10,10▄13,05▄10,04▄13,13▄13,12▄05,05▄10 IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG IS HOSTING THE DDOS AND FLOODING CHALLENGE..PLEASE SEE VAP0R IN #SUPERBOWL FOR DETAILS!! exabnoba: CatButts zgrepc freemangordon auenf vectis3 NIN101 Linkandz dreamer geaaru FalconSpy trumee Cor-Ai aloril xy2_ infobot sixwheeledbeast cyteen_ eMHa clopez xes ced117 DocScrutinizer51 Ras_ Dec 29 14:42:55 02,09▄08,05▄13,05▄13,04▄12,04▄07,06▄07,06▄06,09▄07,10▄06,10▄04,11▄11,02▄04,02▄03,09▄02,02▄11,08▄11,08▄10,03▄04,04▄10,05▄09 IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG IS HOSTING THE DDOS AND FLOODING CHALLENGE..PLEASE SEE VAP0R IN #SUPERBOWL FOR DETAILS!! htfyhugfhm: merlin1991 sunshavi NIN101 DocScrutinizer51 Wizzup herekun CatButts atk geaaru ced117 infobot clopez qwazix peetah Kabouik_ N Dec 29 14:43:00 04,08▄02,04▄13,04▄12,02▄10,11▄03,12▄06,06▄08,05▄13,03▄13,09▄07,08▄08,06▄12,11▄03,02▄03,05▄07,10▄07,04▄11,02▄03,11▄07 IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG IS HOSTING THE DDOS AND FLOODING CHALLENGE..PLEASE SEE VAP0R IN #SUPERBOWL FOR DETAILS!! yyhvmyuxor: teotwaki Wizzup sunshavi Kilroo merlin1991 sixwheeledbeast vectis3 XDS2010|AFK Elleo AndrewX192 NIN101 freemangordon heroux ced117 pkil Dec 29 14:43:18 doc, inviting sigyn doesnt work if one is opless Dec 29 14:43:56 Im op, no? Dec 29 14:44:06 sure, but too late Dec 29 14:44:11 it got k-lined anyway Dec 29 14:44:19 mhm Dec 29 14:45:07 and the channel is +g, everybody can invite sigyn but it seems sigyn can't join more channels Dec 29 14:45:18 ha! Dec 29 14:45:29 hmm, looks +ntC only Dec 29 14:45:30 wow, is there a limit on the number of channels it can be in? Dec 29 14:45:38 +Cfgnt Dec 29 14:45:46 er, +Cfgnt ##overflow * Dec 29 14:45:48 might be my client then Dec 29 14:46:10 yes, normal users 40 chan, with a rare to get special flag 120chan Dec 29 14:46:22 really? Dec 29 14:46:28 I'm sure I've been in more than 40 channels before Dec 29 14:46:58 that's what I been told by staff Dec 29 14:47:03 never tested it Dec 29 14:47:40 yeah.. I'm in 69 channels Dec 29 14:47:53 I asked cause infobot/apt/purl Dec 29 14:48:11 nfc Dec 29 14:48:14 maybe it's a limit for bots Dec 29 14:48:25 who's a bot? Dec 29 14:48:30 Sigyn Dec 29 14:48:49 well yes, but... infobot isnt Dec 29 14:49:15 she's a 'normal user' Dec 29 14:49:34 ~+chaninfo Dec 29 14:49:34 120/120 channels, 2872 users, 2069 unique: #kde/625, #devuan/240, #gsoc/230, #asterisk/179, #maemo/138, #wowuidev/118, #oe/113, #neo900/90, #wowace/83, #arm-netbook/52, #elinux/45, #bzflag/45, #harmattan/45, #curseforge/41, #asterisk-dev/41, #cubieboard/40, #openmoko/40, #qi-hardware/39, #utah/37, #meego/37, #maemo-ssu/33, #openmoko-cdevel/32, #wowhead/31, #webos-internals/28, #brlcad/24, #slug/21, #uphpu/19, ##lds/16, #debianppc/15, #gllug/14, ... Dec 29 14:50:32 infobot is in 74 channels according to whois Dec 29 14:50:36 probably more if they're hidden Dec 29 14:51:46 yes, infobot *might* have the 'extend bum of chan' flag, legacy Dec 29 14:52:43 ~+chanset autojoin Dec 29 14:52:43 Showing autojoin values on all channels... Dec 29 14:52:43 autojoin = infobot(78): ##bspress ##lds ##leaguesunited ##ols ##pxe ##t42 #aegis #arm-netbook #asterisk #asterisk-bugs #asterisk-dev #asterisk-doc #asterisk-scf #asterisk-scf-dev #botpark #brlcad #buglabs #byumug #bzflag #bzflag-chat #bzmods #catroid #cubieboard #cyrannus #devuan #elinux #enlightenutah #flow3 #flyspray #fossfund #fredlug #fudforum #gllug #gooseproject #gsoc #handhelds #handhelds-familiar #handhelds-gpe #handhelds-intimate #harmattan ... Dec 29 14:52:43 autojoin = NOT-SET(43): # ##debian-br ##essy ##openjtag ##stouteriks #android #brits #bz-inc #bzleague #crosstool-ng #debian #debian-br #debian-ops #debianplanet #devlounge #edev #fightthepower #freedesktop #gct #gnu-kbsd #kde-users #kierra #kiss #linuxinfo #mobitopia #n950club #nerds #newircd #ols #opencombat #openjtag #perl #phlyte #pixterdev #plugaz #project24 #tacobeam #tfp #ubuntu-us-ut #ugov.be #wowwiki #zaurus _default Dec 29 14:52:44 autojoin = purl(23): ##bz-inc #arl #casualti #curseforge #dbgc #diablofans #dub #esouidev #familysearch #hosernet #how #kas #linuxfund #lotrouidev #norganna #openezx #pegasos.org #riftuidev #sc2mapster #ud #waruidev #wowace #wowuidev Dec 29 14:52:44 autojoin = apt(16): ##icf #debian-bots #debian-france #debian.gr #debianppc #elive #htc-linux #kde #linuxpakistan #lugwv #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel #openslug #palmchat #slug #wowroster Dec 29 14:52:44 End of list. Dec 29 14:55:21 please ask a staffer in *freenode whats the deal with num of chan allowed and with /invite sigyn and when or why it #oes or doesn't work Dec 29 14:56:05 probably anti-mass join+spam measure Dec 29 14:57:14 and for bots anti dos Dec 29 14:59:05 I failed to word my 'question' correctly since I don't understand your 'answer' Dec 29 15:01:04 yeah, you suggested that uses should nag freenode about limit, while i've suggested that chan limit is to prevent dosing bot via multichannel flood Dec 29 15:01:13 *users Dec 29 15:02:22 160129 mquin: is there a limit for number of chan a user can join? Dec 29 15:02:38 160146 DocScrutinizer51: 120 Dec 29 15:10:34 according to staffer mquin /invite sigyn sometimes works, sometimes not. it's WIP Dec 29 15:10:56 meow Dec 29 15:11:36 anyway always worth a try when a spammer goes mad in here Dec 29 15:12:47 - Inviting Sigyn to channel #maemo Dec 29 15:12:53 waiting.. Dec 29 15:14:45 KotCzarny: A) I tried this 30min ago and B) there IS NO spam in this chan right now! Dec 29 15:15:28 yeah, but as it was already said it probably is in too many channels Dec 29 15:16:04 maybe because too many users invited her without actual need Dec 29 15:16:15 likie you just did Dec 29 15:17:08 and it is probably lagged to hell Dec 29 15:17:24 see my guess about channel limit Dec 29 15:17:27 actually she should leave chan now if she was in here. Dec 29 15:17:58 I don't see a guess about chan limit Dec 29 15:18:07 and sigyn doesn't lag Dec 29 15:18:52 sigyn is a she? Dec 29 15:18:53 her resource demand is 'like that one pixel upper left on your screen', as another user worded it Dec 29 15:19:03 CatButts: yes, she's a norse deity Dec 29 15:19:07 all bots are female on irc Dec 29 15:19:27 ~botsnack Dec 29 15:19:27 sixwheeledbeast: thanks Dec 29 15:19:36 deadly fembots! Dec 29 15:20:01 yeah infobot sometimes lags but that's Tim's uplink Dec 29 15:20:51 hi mquin :) Dec 29 15:22:43 mquin: I wondered if sigyn could get attached/merged into ChanServ Dec 29 15:23:24 but I understand ChanServ is set +D(eaf) to reduce load? Dec 29 15:23:27 probably not, ChanServ is in a lot more channels that Sigyn is, and can be only becasuse it's deaf (+D) and doesn't see channel messages Dec 29 15:23:43 ?nod? Dec 29 15:23:51 :nod? even Dec 29 15:23:53 so yeah, my guess is right Dec 29 15:24:01 damn Dec 29 15:24:06 * CatButts imagines a hoarde of Iron Maidens roaming around IRC Dec 29 15:24:07 http://ledzep.tastyspleen.net/images/quake2/monsterdb/bitch.png Dec 29 15:24:14 sygin is chan limited becaise parsing so many channels might take it down Dec 29 15:24:22 no Dec 29 15:24:32 chan limit is per user Dec 29 15:24:35 *sigyn Dec 29 15:24:53 ChanServ is in a lot more channels that Sigyn is, and can be only becasuse it's deaf Dec 29 15:25:13 parrots not needed ;) Dec 29 15:26:14 mquin: am i right or there is another reason that sigyn is not staying? Dec 29 15:26:25 ChanServ has special permissions to be in so many channels, unlike normal users like sigyn Dec 29 15:26:32 KotCzarny: I don't know Dec 29 15:26:59 ...or infobot Dec 29 15:27:42 mquin: is the 120 limit per nick or per account? Dec 29 15:27:51 DocScrutinizer51: per connection Dec 29 15:27:54 or per IP? Dec 29 15:27:57 aah Dec 29 15:29:22 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if its a coiincidence that infobot is in exactly 120 chan with THREE nicks and supposedly THREE connections Dec 29 15:29:39 ~+chaninfo Dec 29 15:29:40 120/120 channels, 2885 users, 2080 unique: #kde/628, #devuan/242, #gsoc/231, #asterisk/180, #maemo/139, #wowuidev/118, #oe/113, #neo900/90, #wowace/83, #arm-netbook/53, #bzflag/46, #harmattan/45, #elinux/45, #asterisk-dev/42, #qi-hardware/41, #curseforge/41, #cubieboard/40, #openmoko/39, #utah/37, #meego/37, #maemo-ssu/33, #wowhead/31, #openmoko-cdevel/31, #webos-internals/28, #brlcad/24, #slug/21, #uphpu/20, ##lds/16, #debianppc/15, #gllug/14, ... Dec 29 15:30:27 nicks are infobot, apt, purl Dec 29 15:32:26 ~+chanset autojoin Dec 29 15:32:26 Showing autojoin values on all channels... Dec 29 15:32:26 autojoin = infobot(78): ##bspress ##lds ##leaguesunited ##ols ##pxe ##t42 #aegis #arm-netbook #asterisk #asterisk-bugs #asterisk-dev #asterisk-doc #asterisk-scf #asterisk-scf-dev #botpark #brlcad #buglabs #byumug #bzflag #bzflag-chat #bzmods #catroid #cubieboard #cyrannus #devuan #elinux #enlightenutah #flow3 #flyspray #fossfund #fredlug #fudforum #gllug #gooseproject #gsoc #handhelds #handhelds-familiar #handhelds-gpe #handhelds-intimate #harmattan ... Dec 29 15:32:26 autojoin = NOT-SET(43): # ##debian-br ##essy ##openjtag ##stouteriks #android #brits #bz-inc #bzleague #crosstool-ng #debian #debian-br #debian-ops #debianplanet #devlounge #edev #fightthepower #freedesktop #gct #gnu-kbsd #kde-users #kierra #kiss #linuxinfo #mobitopia #n950club #nerds #newircd #ols #opencombat #openjtag #perl #phlyte #pixterdev #plugaz #project24 #tacobeam #tfp #ubuntu-us-ut #ugov.be #wowwiki #zaurus _default Dec 29 15:32:27 autojoin = apt(16): ##icf #debian-bots #debian-france #debian.gr #debianppc #elive #htc-linux #kde #linuxpakistan #lugwv #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel #openslug #palmchat #slug #wowroster Dec 29 15:32:27 autojoin = purl(23): ##bz-inc #arl #casualti #curseforge #dbgc #diablofans #dub #esouidev #familysearch #hosernet #how #kas #linuxfund #lotrouidev #norganna #openezx #pegasos.org #riftuidev #sc2mapster #ud #waruidev #wowace #wowuidev Dec 29 15:32:27 End of list. Dec 29 15:32:54 mquin: ^ Dec 29 15:33:05 what am I looking at? Dec 29 15:33:39 infobot in 120 channels despite 3 connections Dec 29 15:34:08 mquin: could you check? Dec 29 15:37:19 mquin: either it's coincidence, or Tim messed up his bot so it's not using 3 connections, or the info 'per connection' doesn't apply for infobot Dec 29 15:38:20 mquin: would it help diagnose when I make infobot join a 121st chan? Dec 29 15:38:30 DocScrutinizer51: /whois those nicks Dec 29 15:38:54 I did a 1000 times Dec 29 15:39:03 what should I look for? Dec 29 15:39:41 I don't see connections, Im not staff ;) Dec 29 15:39:55 none of them are in anywhere near 120 channels Dec 29 15:40:03 yep Dec 29 15:40:09 thats my point Dec 29 15:40:32 so it's either conincidental, or the bot has it's own limit that's been set to 120 as well Dec 29 15:40:32 but in total they are exactly 120 Dec 29 15:40:50 ok many thanks Dec 29 15:40:54 :) Dec 29 15:43:12 ~join #testtst Dec 29 15:43:51 ~+chaninfo Dec 29 15:43:52 121/121 channels, 2890 users, 2083 unique: #kde/627, #devuan/241, #gsoc/232, #asterisk/180, #maemo/140, #wowuidev/118, #oe/114, #neo900/90, #wowace/83, #arm-netbook/53, #harmattan/46, #bzflag/46, #elinux/45, #qi-hardware/42, #asterisk-dev/42, #cubieboard/41, #curseforge/41, #openmoko/39, #meego/37, #utah/37, #maemo-ssu/33, #openmoko-cdevel/31, #wowhead/31, #webos-internals/28, #brlcad/24, #slug/21, #uphpu/20, ##lds/16, #debianppc/15, #gllug/14, ... Dec 29 15:45:57 ~+part #testtst Dec 29 15:46:27 ~part #testtst Dec 29 15:46:44 ~+chaninfo Dec 29 15:46:44 121/121 channels, 2889 users, 2083 unique: #kde/627, #devuan/241, #gsoc/232, #asterisk/180, #maemo/140, #wowuidev/118, #oe/114, #neo900/90, #wowace/83, #arm-netbook/53, #harmattan/46, #bzflag/46, #elinux/45, #asterisk-dev/42, #qi-hardware/42, #curseforge/41, #cubieboard/41, #openmoko/39, #utah/37, #meego/37, #maemo-ssu/33, #openmoko-cdevel/31, #wowhead/31, #webos-internals/28, #brlcad/24, #slug/21, #uphpu/20, ##lds/16, #debianppc/15, #gllug/14, ... Dec 29 15:47:43 weird, she parted but still claims 121 chan Dec 29 15:47:53