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Jan 05 03:46:27 <luke-jr> freemangordon: I mean something that isn't exploitable
Jan 05 04:08:25 <brolin_empey> CatButts: I have not seen the news story that was being discussed but what is the joke of suggesting to get a Palm TX?  If I recall correctly, the Palm TX lacks cellular connectivity and is not even intended to be used as a VoIP telephone.
Jan 05 04:22:42 <brolin_empey> I also have not had a hardware failure with the Dell products I have had (OptiPlex 960 minitower; Vostro V13 notebook; Latitude X1 notebook; P1130 21-inch Trinitron video monitor).  When I bought the P1130 used, it had a problem caused by the the value of a parameter in the non-volatile memory (EEPROM?) being out of range and not being reset when telling the video monitor to restore the factory default configuration.  I found instructions to manually correct
Jan 05 04:22:42 <brolin_empey>  the value of the parameter that went out of range.  These instructions worked for me.  This is a Trinitron problem, though, not a Dell problem.  Trinitron is a Sony product, not a Dell product.
Jan 05 04:24:27 <brolin_empey> Well, I think the power indicator light stopped working or became intermittent on the power supply/AC adapter for the Vostro V13 but it did not matter because the power supply still worked.
Jan 05 04:43:07 <brolin_empey> I forgot to include the PowerEdge 2950 server at work in my list of Dell products.
Jan 05 05:04:02 <CatButts> [06:08] <brolin_empey>
Jan 05 05:04:34 <CatButts> I used to be enthusiastic and really want one
Jan 05 05:04:47 <CatButts> from what reading I did so far, it's a bit like DOS
Jan 05 05:04:57 <CatButts> in terms of memory separation
Jan 05 05:10:28 <CatButts> https://twitter.com/Myrkraverk/status/948814886775046144 not unlike this joke
Jan 05 05:21:37 <vahe> hi CatButts) hi all
Jan 05 05:21:48 <CatButts> uhllo
Jan 05 05:23:06 <CatButts> I also did some testing and asking around for the powerbrick
Jan 05 05:23:14 <CatButts> [18:58] <KotCzarny> i hate those noisy pieces of sh*t
Jan 05 05:23:17 <CatButts> no kidding
Jan 05 05:23:40 <CatButts> I put PC keyboard on top of laptop to write something
Jan 05 05:23:58 <CatButts> PC keyboard input goes haywire
Jan 05 05:24:07 <CatButts> PC speaker beeping
Jan 05 13:10:28 <brolin_empey> CatButts: OK.  I used to use Palm OS but the newest Palm OS computer I had was the Palm Z22.  I should have used Windows Mobile (up to version 6.5) instead of Palm OS.
Jan 05 13:22:45 <brolin_empey> Palm OS originally used the AMX RTOS for m68k from KADAK in my home city, Vancouver, Canada.
Jan 05 15:04:58 <CatButts> [15:10] <brolin_empey> CatButts: OK.  I used to use Palm OS but the newest Palm OS computer I had was the Palm Z22.  I should have used Windows Mobile (up to version 6.5) instead of Palm OS.
Jan 05 15:05:08 <CatButts> I used winmo 6.5 once
Jan 05 15:05:25 <CatButts> from what I read, it's hit and miss, depending on the phone
Jan 05 15:05:44 <CatButts> Motorola Q9H was a most definite miss
Jan 05 18:27:33 <brolin_empey> CatButts: ACK.
Jan 05 20:38:59 * timeless sighs
Jan 05 20:39:07 * timeless looks for a grub/systemd expert
Jan 05 20:39:27 <KotCzarny> remove that parasite
Jan 05 20:39:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 05 20:39:39 <timeless> i have a stupid computer that can't load a certain file system, so systemd prompts me for a root password
Jan 05 20:39:53 <timeless> i don't have ssh because it isn't ready yet (Grr)
Jan 05 20:40:01 <timeless> and i don't think anyone knows the root password
Jan 05 20:40:13 * timeless is trying to find the right keystroke to talk  to bios/boot sequence
Jan 05 20:41:40 <warfare> timeless: IIRC it's "e" on the selected entry to edit it. 
Jan 05 20:41:55 <timeless> yes, i can edit, but i don't know what to add :(
Jan 05 20:42:10 <timeless> you're talking about grub, i can talk to grub and edit
Jan 05 20:42:14 <warfare> init=/bin/bash ; then mount -o remount,rw / to edit things 
Jan 05 20:42:15 <timeless> but... what do i ask grub to tell what?
Jan 05 20:42:19 <timeless> oh
Jan 05 20:42:22 <timeless> sold. thanks
Jan 05 20:45:22 <timeless> grr, it's still pestering me
Jan 05 20:47:45 <timeless> turns out this system is uefi, so the solution was "system setup", change boot sequence
Jan 05 20:48:10 <warfare> oO
Jan 05 20:48:11 <KotCzarny> yaay for new technology, simplifying lives..
Jan 05 20:48:57 <warfare> Don't get me started about UEFI - Intel is selling its recent Cherrytrail Atoms with a 32bit EFI.
Jan 05 20:49:41 <timeless> i had a netbook that was 32bit efi
Jan 05 20:49:57 <timeless> which meant i couldn't run w10x64 which means i couldn't use WSL
Jan 05 20:56:26 * timeless hates md0/pv/lvm
Jan 05 21:09:12 <timeless> warfare: thanks for the suggestion. in the end efi booting to the stick and then vgchange + mounting the root file system and editing fstab to comment out the missing volume got me where i needed to go
Jan 05 21:09:27 * timeless hates that systemd thinks it's a good idea to fail the boot sequence at missing disks
Jan 05 21:09:36 <timeless> that was *never* the way linux/unix worked
Jan 05 21:09:46 <KotCzarny> that's why it's a parasite
Jan 05 21:09:54 <timeless> it always hobbled forward to "sshd" and let people fix things remotely
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