**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 10 03:00:02 2018 Jan 10 04:48:26 on the subject of feeds, is there a feed reader for N900 that can handle feeds served via HTTPS? Jan 10 05:02:26 sicelo: I guess yes but I do not know because Thunderbird is still the only news feed reader/agregator (spelling?) I have seriously used. Thunderbird supports HTTPS for news feeds but, as far as I know, no mobile version of Thunderbird has been released. Jan 10 05:04:17 Do the mobile versions of Opera include a feed reader? Jan 10 05:10:30 Incidentally: It occurs to me that a jet engine is still a propeller in a literal sense of the word propeller. Jan 10 05:14:01 Apparently the ability to subscribe to a bank account as an RSS/Atom news feed would be too useful to be easily possible in practice. Jan 10 05:16:34 * Oksana lawls ; do RSS/Atom news feeds allow for authentication? Jan 10 05:17:17 Because banks generally regard such information as private, and would not want to publish it available for whole world to see Jan 10 05:18:00 Besides usual "walled garden" approach where they try to limit banking operations to bank-developed apps, and only grudgingly allow for Internet Banking Jan 10 05:20:01 Oksana: An RSS or Atom news feed is usually accessed via HTTP or HTTPS. HTTP has authentication ability. Jan 10 05:20:57 Does HTTPS have username+password authentication ability? If yes, and if RSS news feed reader works with it, then it should be doable. Jan 10 05:21:30 By the way, regarding authentication: is it possible to post news from RSS feed program, or is it merely at "reader" level? Jan 10 05:27:04 RSS and Atom are data/file formats, not a means of accessing a news feed. In practice, a news feed is usually an XML file served by an HTTP server. Authentication is out of the scope of RSS and Atom as a data/file format. HTTP has at least Basic authentication, which uses credentials (a username and password). I have only configured an HTTP server using Basic authentication using HTTP, not HTTPS, but I assume that authentication at the HTTP level is Jan 10 05:27:04 still possible with HTTPS. Jan 10 05:33:00 Oksana: It is possible to have posting ability in a news feed reader program but I guess that most news feed reader programs lack this ability because such programs are primarily intended for consumers of news, not producers of news. If you can edit a plain text file, though, you can edit an XML file, including one used for RSS or Atom. Jan 10 05:43:46 * Oksana facepalms at how most programs are intended at consumption, not generation Jan 10 05:45:30 Web-browser : consume HTML, not edit it; same for an SVG file, or an image (strictly speaking, jpg/png/raster images should be openable in an image viewer, instead of web-browser - web-browser doesn't have crop or zoom functionality of image viewer; and image viewer should easily feed the image to Jan 10 05:46:29 Media player: consumes audio/video/radio, no editing. Even metadata editing would be nice to have (image viewer already has it, just, not media player). Jan 10 05:46:29 an image editor). Jan 10 05:46:51 EBook reader: again, only reading books, not writing or editing them. Jan 10 05:52:34 Oksana: Modern GUI Web browsers can scale (zoom) images. Jan 10 05:53:35 Together with web-page, sure. Can they zoom into image without zooming into web page? Or adjust its brightness/contrast? Jan 10 05:56:19 HTTPS Feeds - i think most (if not all) the RSS feed reader applications we have are not built with SSL/TLS libraries, hence can't consume HTTPS feeds. unfortunately most of the web is becoming https-only Jan 10 06:12:44 Well, is osso RSS reader open-source? Jan 10 06:14:58 Oksana: The first Web browser was actually a combination browser/editor, not only a browser. Tim Berners-Lee always intended for the Web to be a platform/medium for collaboration, not merely a one-way publishing medium. Jan 10 06:14:58 https://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/WorldWideWeb.html Jan 10 06:17:43 Closed-source software from the Open-Source Software Operation(s)? 0_o Jan 10 06:29:06 Oksana: Modern GUI Web browsers now include an inspector tool with the same live editing capability as the Firebug extension introduced or at least popularised around a decade ago. This type of tool can be used to scale an inline image without scaling the rest of the containing document. If the brightness or contrast of an image can be set as a property exposed via CSS or the DOM or something similar, which it can if I recall correctly, then a Web browser Jan 10 06:29:06 can also adjust the brightness or contrast of an image. Jan 10 06:35:01 I have a strong interest in the history of the Web and have personally contacted Tim Berners-Lee and his personal assistant Amy. Jan 10 06:40:42 sicelo: I guess you can probably find a feed reader that can run in a Web browser that already has TLS support. After all, even a Java Runtime Environment has been implemented in JavaScript to run in a Web browser. Jan 10 08:52:18 hmm, an N800 with screen issues. https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1171298595 Jan 10 08:56:16 Heh: Jan 10 08:56:16 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Meltdown_(security_vulnerability)&oldid=819562392#Intel_CEO_Krzanich's_maximal_unexplained_stock_sale_after_notification Jan 10 10:02:49 It was one the things that got Meltdown leaked early. Jan 10 10:38:36 I recall there being a perfectly legitimate reason for selling the stocks Jan 10 10:38:40 something to do with new tax rules Jan 10 21:00:23 is there a way to adjust screen contrast on N900? Jan 10 22:02:36 there are a few sysnodes Jan 10 22:04:37 but exactly contrast prolly isn't one of them Jan 10 22:06:58 no matter if it's 565 or 888, you most likely got a pretty linear brightness control by data per pixel and color Jan 10 22:08:29 except there's that dynamic backlight control thing that reduces backlight brightness so the brightest pixel in display could actually operate at FFFFFF brightness from LCD even when it actually was darker Jan 10 22:09:14 all that is done transparently by the LCD controller chip Jan 10 22:09:35 but there's a sysnode to select a few modes *how* and if it does this Jan 10 22:10:35 in settings it shows up as "blabla energy saving: video|gui|none" or somesuch Jan 10 22:13:00 meh, actually just "[_] power saving" in display settings Jan 10 22:13:18 sysnode has 3 modes though IIRC **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 11 03:00:01 2018