**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 12 03:00:03 2018 Jan 12 15:35:22 Will this is different having to use PC with no mouse, keyboard navigation is not as friendly as i remember... Jan 12 19:19:59 sixwheeledbeast: you mean mupdf? or something else? Jan 12 19:26:29 ? Jan 12 19:26:53 17:36 < sixwheeledbeast> Will this is different having to use PC with no mouse, Jan 12 19:26:57 keyboard navigation is not as friendly as i remember... Jan 12 19:27:19 no mouse due to failure Jan 12 20:51:12 those devels that don't test their program without mouse (kbd only) and not on lowres screen on a slow and low resources hw platform should get shot. Doesn't apply to gamers and drawing programs and the like Jan 12 21:57:05 MATE (the DE) is great (possibly I have created some custom shortcuts) but some programs are impossible to navigate. Jan 12 22:14:26 I expected pidgin to be a PITA (it's usable via Alt/Tab in window mode, not tabbed) however Thunderbird seems to have no way to switch between Inboxes for example. Interesting how reliant we get on touch or point interfaces. Jan 12 23:54:20 interestingly I think such crap had no standing on macOS Jan 12 23:55:03 if apple did one thing right, then that's setting up decent and stringent UI rules Jan 12 23:55:24 iirc, at least Jan 12 23:56:55 not like "they think left side is sweet side, so I wanna be different and all my OK/accept buttons are on the right side" Jan 12 23:57:47 or "my program is sooo intuitive I neither need keyboard shortcuts nor menus nor a help function" Jan 13 00:00:21 but that's prolly the downside of FOSS sw Jan 13 00:29:10 freedom has a cost Jan 13 00:29:30 but setting some guidelines is up to distros Jan 13 00:48:55 slightly on-topic, oscp is designed to be primarily used with kb alone (but mouse/touch is also nice) Jan 13 01:53:12 hello Jan 13 01:53:21 how is it going? Jan 13 01:53:41 particularly the devuan port of maemo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 13 03:00:01 2018