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Jan 30 16:43:37 <pkill9> Wizzup: is it expected that running mplayer or mpv gives an error that it can't load libGL.so.1?
Jan 30 16:43:55 <Wizzup> Yes
Jan 30 16:44:22 <Wizzup> there's plenty to work on still, but mplayer and mpv want to load libGL even though they do not use it for most backends
Jan 30 16:44:33 <pkill9> ok
Jan 30 16:44:38 <Wizzup> parazyd did some experimenting, and we might ship gl4es to provide libGL based on libGLESv2, but that is in the future
Jan 30 16:44:53 <Wizzup> we first want, say, battery applets, network UI (connui) and network management, etc :) 
Jan 30 16:44:57 <parazyd> Wizzup: ++
Jan 30 16:45:01 <pkill9> yeah
Jan 30 16:45:12 <parazyd> also h-d doesn't start properly if gl4es' libGL is in place
Jan 30 16:45:27 <Wizzup> when I get home I will make a start with writing what the plan is, what help me need
Jan 30 16:45:36 <pkill9> do you need a custom gl4es?
Jan 30 16:45:49 <parazyd> Wizzup: remember i sent you a basic draft for that ;)
Jan 30 16:46:02 <parazyd> pkill9: hopefully no
Jan 30 16:46:31 <Wizzup> parazyd: when?
Jan 30 16:46:45 <parazyd> earlier today (in query)
Jan 30 16:46:51 <Wizzup> pkill9, parazyd: Yes, we will need to add support for n900 in gl4es
Jan 30 16:46:54 <Wizzup> pkill9: ok
Jan 30 16:46:56 <Wizzup> er, parazyd: ok
Jan 30 20:46:02 <enyc> much w0rk to be done... ?? hey-ho
Jan 30 20:46:07 <enyc> not surpriving =(
Jan 30 20:46:10 <enyc> =)
Jan 30 21:25:19 <Wizzup> wip https://wizzup.org/droid4-h-d-1.jpg https://wizzup.org/droid4-h-d-2.jpg
Jan 31 00:06:29 <Oksana> Anybody testing new packages? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292&page=55
Jan 31 00:10:12 <Juesto> hmm
Jan 31 00:10:28 <Juesto> i would, if i had a N900, Oksana :)
Jan 31 00:10:53 <Juesto> Wizzup: Maybe QEmu can emulate maemo?
Jan 31 00:11:07 <Juesto> yes, i am talking about the original
Jan 31 00:11:32 <Juesto> or better question, how does the Xephyr thing in the Nokia SDK works?
Jan 31 00:15:18 <Wizzup> I think that just uses x86
Jan 31 00:15:24 <Wizzup> which is also how we do some of our devel
Jan 31 00:15:48 <Juesto> and that one is buggy imo
Jan 31 00:15:58 <Juesto> nokia's x86 implementation
Jan 31 00:16:11 <Juesto> and i guess  it dates from the times hildon was on ubuntu/debian repositories?
Jan 31 00:16:20 <Juesto> hildon/maemo*
Jan 31 00:17:26 <Juesto> i dont really mind whatever something is open or closed source but, anything could be done regarding that sdk? or something
Jan 31 00:17:47 <Wizzup> done in what way
Jan 31 00:17:51 <Juesto> i mean, it is a little buggy
Jan 31 00:17:59 <Wizzup> what do you want to use it for
Jan 31 00:18:07 <Juesto> barely usable, i guess it is similar to Apple's Simulators
Jan 31 00:18:22 <Juesto> general purpose, i know. but i dont have the device :D
Jan 31 00:19:03 * Juesto feels retarded
Jan 31 00:19:12 <Wizzup> I don't understand what you are asking
Jan 31 00:19:21 <Wizzup> you want to use the old emulator as general purpose...what?
Jan 31 00:20:01 <Juesto> i am looking forward to experience the maemo "os" in some way, preferably the original creation
Jan 31 00:20:34 <Juesto> Would qemu work great for that? arm version since that one seems more polished than the x86 one on the vm afaik
Jan 31 00:20:59 <Juesto> i mean, the sdk doesnt have certain libraries in the maemo envirorment
Jan 31 00:21:03 <Wizzup> I don't think an emulator will give you much of an experience
Jan 31 00:21:08 <Juesto> sorry for being confusing
Jan 31 00:21:12 <Juesto> well, the software experience
Jan 31 00:22:33 <Juesto> i wish i could test packages and somewhat aid oksana or something :(
Jan 31 00:35:25 <Juesto> Wizzup: thanks for your time
Jan 31 00:35:38 <Wizzup> welcome. time to sleep, hn
Jan 31 00:35:39 <Wizzup> gn
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