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Feb 08 10:37:23 <HtheB> hey Wizzup 
Feb 08 10:38:00 <HtheB> Got some time to help me? Ping me when you're there :)
Feb 08 10:38:37 <Wizzup> hey, gimme just a few mins
Feb 08 10:38:42 <HtheB> thanks!
Feb 08 10:41:22 <Wizzup> sup
Feb 08 10:42:36 <HtheB> trying out the images on my android device using qemu
Feb 08 10:42:47 <HtheB> would love to get some Maemo love into my Android
Feb 08 10:43:18 <HtheB> I've been using the Limbo emulator
Feb 08 10:43:34 <HtheB> but there are so many options to choose from, I couldn't get it to work :(
Feb 08 10:44:47 <HtheB> Running Maemo on all devices, that's the dream!
Feb 08 10:45:18 <KotCzarny> even maemo powered automatic toilet?
Feb 08 10:45:26 <HtheB> https://m.popkey.co/d4a1e0/gaqzY.gif
Feb 08 10:46:00 <Wizzup> HtheB: do you have an arm or amd64 android device
Feb 08 10:46:22 <HtheB> arm64
Feb 08 10:46:40 <Wizzup> ok, so we don't have any arm64 virtual machine images yet - since that is also more tricky on arm
Feb 08 10:46:47 <HtheB> ???
Feb 08 10:47:03 <HtheB> Im not going to flash the image on the phone
Feb 08 10:47:06 <Wizzup> I was assuming you'd want to use a native arch, for virtualisation speed.
Feb 08 10:47:08 <HtheB> It's getting emulated
Feb 08 10:47:20 <HtheB> using Limbo
Feb 08 10:47:25 <Wizzup> Right, but if you 'emulate' arm on arm64 in qemu, it's much faster.
Feb 08 10:47:34 <Wizzup> You can also try to boot the amd64 image, if you prefer that.
Feb 08 10:47:45 <Wizzup> Assuming Limbo can do KVM anyway
Feb 08 10:47:49 <HtheB> yeah I downloaded the amd64 qcow2
Feb 08 10:47:53 <Wizzup> ok
Feb 08 10:49:38 <HtheB> ok, loding linux 4.9.0-5-amd64
Feb 08 10:49:50 <HtheB> Loading initial ramdisk ...
Feb 08 10:49:55 <Wizzup> what exactly did you need help with btw?
Feb 08 10:50:47 <HtheB> to get this thing alive 
Feb 08 10:50:48 <HtheB> :D
Feb 08 10:52:06 <Wizzup> :)
Feb 08 10:52:08 <HtheB> but I think it's booting
Feb 08 10:52:23 <Wizzup> it'll be slow, especially since the opengl is also done on the cpu
Feb 08 10:53:02 <HtheB> activating swap
Feb 08 10:53:17 <HtheB> done
Feb 08 10:56:08 <HtheB> aaaaaaand......
Feb 08 11:01:06 <HtheB> it tried to start the x server
Feb 08 11:01:12 <HtheB> still black screen through
Feb 08 11:01:22 <Wizzup> It'll not be usable speed wise
Feb 08 11:01:25 <Wizzup> give it some time though ;) 
Feb 08 11:03:58 <HtheB> Maemo !
Feb 08 11:04:27 <HtheB> It actually booted !
Feb 08 11:04:47 <HtheB> I missed that default splash wallpaper :P
Feb 08 11:04:56 <Wizzup> ;-)
Feb 08 11:05:49 <HtheB> I wish it was in usable state :(
Feb 08 11:06:16 <Wizzup> well, you're emulating intel on arm.
Feb 08 11:06:29 <Wizzup> if there was a usable arm image that you could use with limbo in kvm, it'd be better.
Feb 08 11:06:40 <Wizzup> that's what I said before
Feb 08 11:06:42 <HtheB> ah
Feb 08 11:06:47 <HtheB> ok now i get it
Feb 08 11:07:10 <HtheB> armel qcow2?
Feb 08 11:08:28 <Wizzup> there is none yet. that's what I said
Feb 08 11:08:35 <HtheB> yeah
Feb 08 11:08:42 <Wizzup> also X is more difficult in such a scenario, I'd have to try it on my own arm64 hardware
Feb 08 11:08:49 <Wizzup> it's kind of a low priority though ;) 
Feb 08 11:09:06 <HtheB> what about regular arm
Feb 08 11:09:22 <Wizzup> same
Feb 08 11:10:56 <HtheB> ok :(
Feb 08 11:11:03 <HtheB> guess that's waiting for an arm image then
Feb 08 11:11:36 <Wizzup> well, yeah, but your usecase very esoteric :P 
Feb 08 11:12:12 <Wizzup> still, you can post a screenie of it working on the thread? :p 
Feb 08 15:31:53 <Halftux> when I am installing (upgrade) libgtk2.0-0 (2.14.7-1maemo34+0cssu2+thumb0) in the sdk it complains about a missing path /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.14.0/immodules when I look on my device which is on cssu-testing and has same version but non-thumb I dont have that folder. Is this normal? I wanted to copy this folder to the sdk
Feb 08 15:36:39 <Halftux> ehmm sorry I mean libgtk2.0-bin
Feb 08 17:03:00 <sicelo> i have a communication app on my Android phone and wish to hopefully figure out how its protocol works (www.2go.im ... yes it sucks, but a few friends use it). I think the J2ME apps don't use HTTPS, but the android one does. So I am wondering if mitm-proxy can help me see traffic the app transmits? or worthless?
Feb 08 17:03:51 <sicelo> or mitm-proxy works best for websites, etc.?
Feb 08 17:06:39 <sicelo> or i should find a way to do this through wireshark maybe :-/
Feb 08 17:23:20 <sixwheeledbeast> wireshark you would have to hub out your ap?
Feb 08 17:27:17 <sicelo> what does 'hub' out mean? 
Feb 08 17:46:35 <sixwheeledbeast> i am no expert on the matter but to use wireshark to monitor a device on a network you need the traffic to be send to every point. this is done by hubbing out.
Feb 08 17:47:37 <sixwheeledbeast> Where a switch routes traffic to the correct place a hub repeats traffic to every device so you can sniff it.
Feb 08 17:49:16 <sicelo> i get you now
Feb 08 17:49:47 <sicelo> well i can make the laptop a wifi hotspot and have the phone connect via it
Feb 08 17:49:59 <sixwheeledbeast> Unless you can connect the device direct to the wireshark machine so you can mitm
Feb 08 17:50:36 <sixwheeledbeast> yep
Feb 08 17:52:53 <sicelo> i got an app called Packet Sniffer for the android for now ... it's able to show some cleartext traffic. looks like i don't need to worry too much about the https traffic.
Feb 08 18:44:57 <sixwheeledbeast> I am surprised to see a whatapp like alternative like that. 
Feb 08 19:17:41 <sicelo> heh. it's been there for many years. anyway it is most definitely not good by modern standards, especially since there's no encryption
Feb 08 19:18:52 <sicelo> and it's use has declined. now only the few still stuck on feature phones use it
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