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Feb 27 06:42:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~moo
Feb 27 06:42:15 <infobot> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
Feb 27 13:27:59 <pkill9> which is the nokia mapping aplication that lets you download maps for offlien use?
Feb 27 13:29:07 <sixwheeledbeast> ovi maps?
Feb 27 13:29:13 <pkill9> yeah probs
Feb 27 13:29:18 <pkill9> i can't see it for download
Feb 27 13:29:27 <pkill9> i swear i had it installed
Feb 27 13:30:03 <sixwheeledbeast> it's a default package but offline maps are not. no idea how upto date they are.
Feb 27 13:30:21 <sixwheeledbeast> i use modRana
Feb 27 13:30:43 <pkill9> ill check it out
Feb 27 13:30:45 <sixwheeledbeast> ~modrana
Feb 27 13:31:00 <sixwheeledbeast> ~ping
Feb 27 13:31:00 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
Feb 27 13:32:09 <sixwheeledbeast> infobot, modrana is https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana
Feb 27 13:32:09 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast: okay
Feb 27 13:45:26 <pkill9> I *finally* got modrana running
Feb 27 13:46:38 <pkill9> does modrana let you download maps for offlien use?
Feb 27 13:47:37 <pkill9> oh sweet there's a download option
Feb 27 13:47:47 <pkill9> i'm liking this so far
Feb 27 13:52:44 <pkill9> hmm searching isn't very good
Feb 27 14:28:14 <sixwheeledbeast> have you used the latest version from github or the one from the repo? any issues leave a post on tmo or report on github
Feb 27 14:28:52 <sixwheeledbeast> searching maybe online only.
Feb 27 14:45:25 <pkill9> i used the one from the repo
Feb 27 14:45:45 <pkill9> and not from devel
Feb 27 14:46:07 <pkill9> i forgot there is a devel repo
Feb 27 14:46:32 <pkill9> shoudl i get the one from the devel repo sixwheeledbeast?
Feb 27 14:52:43 <sixwheeledbeast> github
Feb 27 14:53:08 <pkill9> so i gotta compile it and shizz?
Feb 27 14:53:20 <pkill9> i don't have that set up
Feb 27 14:55:00 <pkill9> oh i see it's a python app, so it doesn't need compiling
Feb 27 15:01:32 <pkill9> nice it runs
Feb 27 15:07:37 <sixwheeledbeast> yep no compling. i have been asking to get the latest version in devel from github.
Feb 27 15:16:17 <pkill9> sweet it works for what i want it to, only feature missing for what i need it for is downloading routes, but that' sminor\
Feb 27 15:16:34 <pkill9> the most important is that it works and also that it downloads tiles, which it does
Feb 27 15:17:44 <pkill9> i like that it uses tile data from one provider, and route data from another
Feb 27 15:17:53 <pkill9> that's the unix way :P
Feb 27 15:18:09 <pkill9> rather than like 5-6 different mapping applications, each from one provider
Feb 27 19:11:20 <sicelo> i still use ovi maps
Feb 27 19:15:37 <sicelo> but yeah, i like openstreetmap now. 
Feb 27 23:24:28 <Juesto> who's nick is Marius Gedmias?
Feb 27 23:26:36 <DocScrutinizer05> mgedmin, owner of povbot
Feb 27 23:26:46 <Juesto> ah thanks
Feb 27 23:28:01 <Juesto> he's not here it seems, wanted to bring povbot to #maemo-leste
Feb 27 23:28:20 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck
Feb 27 23:28:46 <Juesto> current logbot is quick n dirty thing, single log and only logs joins and chat
Feb 27 23:31:03 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll need ti get chanops/founders of maemo-leste to ask. Like every responsible bot operator, marius won't join the bot to a channel without explicit permission by chan authorities
Feb 27 23:31:31 <Juesto> oh that's Wizzup and parazyd, DocScrutinizer05 
Feb 27 23:31:50 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
Feb 27 23:32:00 <Juesto> ] <@parazyd> if someone wants, get the #maemo bot here then
Feb 27 23:32:09 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
Feb 27 23:32:15 <Juesto> :0
Feb 27 23:32:20 <Juesto> oh well
Feb 27 23:32:31 <Juesto> maybe not the best moment to ask
Feb 27 23:32:52 <Juesto> but he said that so... i guess that counts as a yes?
Feb 27 23:33:15 <DocScrutinizer05> I told you: >>you'll need ti get chanops/founders of maemo-leste to ask<<
Feb 27 23:33:23 <Juesto> ok
Feb 27 23:35:22 <DocScrutinizer05> Marius won't use citations as permission, and he has no way to review his chanlog unless he is in the channel already. He also won't contact anybody proactively to ask them if they will allow the bot.
Feb 27 23:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> at least when his policies are like the ones of any other bot owner I know
Feb 27 23:36:21 <Juesto> okay, sorry. the channel already have ii as logbot as i said
Feb 27 23:36:43 <Juesto> at least i tried
Feb 27 23:36:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and tbh I don't see why there's a #maemo-leste channel
Feb 27 23:37:02 <Juesto> because of the project?
Feb 27 23:38:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, same rationale like for #harmattan may apply
Feb 27 23:38:56 <Juesto> I guess :)
Feb 27 23:39:01 <Juesto> and #cssu 
Feb 27 23:39:26 <DocScrutinizer05> um, no, actually maemo-cssu should get merged into #maemo
Feb 27 23:39:38 <Juesto> interesting
Feb 27 23:40:21 <DocScrutinizer05> it been created in a time when there was lots of user chatzer in here and devels needed a separate channel for their own very busy communications
Feb 27 23:40:59 <DocScrutinizer05> now neither here nor even less there is a traffic that warrants two separate channels
Feb 27 23:45:41 <DocScrutinizer05> the reasoning for #harmattan been: both called 'maemo' by Nokia, so users asking "how do I do XY on maemo" would always be ambiguous and result in endless explanations of the wrong thing
Feb 27 23:47:20 <DocScrutinizer05> expert: "now click A!" - user: "but I have only c and d, A was during last step already"
Feb 27 23:48:46 <Juesto> except when the user mentioned their phone model or maemo version
Feb 27 23:49:35 <DocScrutinizer05> or worse: "now start X by typing 'X <enter>' in commandline."  user: "I get -bash: X: command not found"
Feb 27 23:49:50 <Juesto> :)
Feb 27 23:49:55 <Juesto> :/
Feb 27 23:50:57 <DocScrutinizer05> see? we solved that "mention version" issue by a new channel and /topic : N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! 
Feb 27 23:52:01 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway when you want povbot, make a chanop /query mgedmin
Feb 27 23:52:28 <Juesto> and if anyone talks about Bora?
Feb 27 23:52:51 <DocScrutinizer05> he's most likely asleep now, his in Vilnius
Feb 27 23:53:06 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody uses Bora anymore
Feb 27 23:53:35 <Juesto> Belarus?
Feb 27 23:53:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~codenames
Feb 27 23:53:40 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, codenames is http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames
Feb 27 23:53:58 <Juesto> i tried bora on scratchbox and it was broken lol
Feb 27 23:54:19 <DocScrutinizer05> POV: Programmers Of Vilnius
Feb 27 23:54:39 <Juesto> doesn't say about phone support 
Feb 27 23:54:44 <Juesto> hmm i see
Feb 27 23:55:30 <Juesto> diablo works on scratchbox :p
Feb 27 23:55:42 <Juesto> but way too bare, missing plugins
Feb 27 23:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> https://pov.lt/
Feb 27 23:56:01 <Juesto> Lithuania
Feb 27 23:56:45 <Juesto> TIL
Feb 27 23:57:48 <DocScrutinizer05> s/his/he's/ ffs
Feb 27 23:58:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ☕
Feb 27 23:58:43 <DocScrutinizer05> or better ☕ ☕ ☕ 
Feb 28 00:00:07 <DocScrutinizer05> re >>the reasoning for #harmattan been: both called 'maemo<< same applies to maemo-leste, since allas it's not really meant to be compatible to fremantle
Feb 28 00:01:02 <Wizzup> so far all the dbus calls and gconf keys from fremantle work fine ;) 
Feb 28 00:03:00 <Juesto> sicelo: ^ :) that gconf app *should* work fine on Leste
Feb 28 00:03:31 <Juesto> gconf preferences thingy kind of app
Feb 28 00:03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> gconftool?
Feb 28 00:03:46 <Juesto> yea
Feb 28 00:04:09 <DocScrutinizer05> good. does it run on maemo-leste already?
Feb 28 00:04:30 <Juesto> it should, i was able to run it under scratchbox
Feb 28 00:04:31 <Wizzup> gconftool is available yes
Feb 28 00:04:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, it's oooold and probably even its successor obsoleted by now
Feb 28 00:04:54 <Juesto> there's a hildon-akin port of the gnome/gtk app
Feb 28 00:04:55 <DocScrutinizer05> agaik
Feb 28 00:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik*
Feb 28 00:05:27 <Juesto> fremantle scratchbox
Feb 28 00:05:34 <Wizzup> I think GNOME(3) still use gconf
Feb 28 00:05:39 <Juesto> yes
Feb 28 00:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> gconf yes, gconftool no
Feb 28 00:05:52 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik*
Feb 28 00:05:56 <Juesto> leste isnt on gtk3 yet, right?
Feb 28 00:06:11 <Wizzup> there's gtk2 and gtk3.
Feb 28 00:06:15 <Juesto> I've used gconftool on gnome 3
Feb 28 00:07:02 <DocScrutinizer05> last time I checked, I seem to recall it's been deprecated and marked obsolete on the gconf website
Feb 28 00:07:10 <DocScrutinizer05> err gnome website?
Feb 28 00:07:29 <Juesto> good idea for a poll: have a scratchbox of leste? to satisfy those people used to Nokia's way
Feb 28 00:07:36 <Wizzup> then there will be gconftool-2, so will likely require minor changes
Feb 28 00:08:11 <DocScrutinizer05> on harmattan gconftool is a symlink to gconftool-2
Feb 28 00:08:13 * Juesto feels dumb
Feb 28 00:08:15 <DocScrutinizer05> or vice versa
Feb 28 00:08:36 <Juesto> bbl
Feb 28 00:08:39 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, on fremantle
Feb 28 00:09:34 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ls -l `which gconftool`
Feb 28 00:09:36 <DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2014-12-06 12:41 /usr/bin/gconftool -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool
Feb 28 00:10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ls -l /etc/alternatives/gconftool
Feb 28 00:10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2014-12-06 12:41 /etc/alternatives/gconftool -> /usr/bin/gconftool-2
Feb 28 00:12:56 * Oksana nods
Feb 28 00:15:22 <DocScrutinizer05> hi! :-)
Feb 28 00:16:29 <Oksana> hello! :-)
Feb 28 01:27:37 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# rl(){ if r=`readlink "$1"`; then echo -n "$(ls -F "$1"|sed 's/ -> .*//') -> "; rl "$r"; else ls -lF "$1"; fi }
Feb 28 01:27:38 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# rl `which gconftool`
Feb 28 01:27:40 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/bin/gconftool@ -> /etc/alternatives/gconftool@ -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 47968 2010-06-08 18:48 /usr/bin/gconftool-2*
Feb 28 01:52:36 * Juesto waves Oksana
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