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Mar 23 08:04:23 <Maxdamantus> Hmm .. does anyone know (or is anyone able to check) if the call UI avoids turning off the screen based on the proximity sensor if the keyboard is out?
Mar 23 08:17:59 <sicelo> based on proximity (actually that's the main reason they have it installed, according to the manual, at least)
Mar 23 08:21:51 <sicelo> ah, i misunderstood the question
Mar 23 08:24:47 <sicelo> if keyboard is out, proximity is ignored. covering it does not blank the screen
Mar 23 08:48:39 <Maxdamantus> Mk, so that explains why I've had issues with calls on my current device.
Mar 23 08:48:58 <Maxdamantus> Since the slide detector doesn't work, so the screen stays on during calls.
Mar 23 08:49:14 <Maxdamantus> guess I'll just remember to turn it off manually.
Mar 23 11:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~moo
Mar 23 11:26:53 <infobot> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
Mar 23 11:28:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ARGGHH my T900 deadlocked, prolly log filled up / completely
Mar 23 11:29:42 <DocScrutinizer05> oh no, it wasn't powered up, LOL
Mar 23 11:31:49 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway sicelo, I *think* (too lazy to get my ass to IroN900 to check) that proximity sensor blanks screen only when the dialer has focus
Mar 23 11:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> and even then prolly only during call
Mar 23 11:32:54 <DocScrutinizer05> and then I'm unclear if it would happen when speakerphone mode enabled
Mar 23 12:06:30 <Halftux> DocScrutinizer05: regarding the psmisc package I think we need to go with a psmisc-gnu package. I would take the source code from sourceforge psmisc-22.21.tar.gz. How would be the correct maemo version numbering. psmisc-22.21maemo1 or psmisc-22.21-1maemo5.
Mar 23 12:07:15 <DocScrutinizer05> NFC, sorry. This always been a mystery to me
Mar 23 12:07:19 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: ^^^
Mar 23 12:07:52 <DocScrutinizer05> @devels: ^^^
Mar 23 12:08:15 <Halftux> yeah for me too, have seen so many variants now :D
Mar 23 12:08:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and 10% of those variants are utterly broken and mess up the repo :-P
Mar 23 12:09:28 <DocScrutinizer05> mompls
Mar 23 12:12:55 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/25826765  FWIW
Mar 23 12:14:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and http://paste.opensuse.org/20449172 psutils
Mar 23 12:15:26 <DocScrutinizer05> SDK repo sucks
Mar 23 12:16:01 <DocScrutinizer05> it has plain mainline tools just recompiled for target ISa
Mar 23 12:16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> well, all that doesn't answer the question which was the right naming scheme/rev#
Mar 23 12:18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I *think* -maemo1  but honestly not sure
Mar 23 12:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> since it's a new package (new name), any "5" doesn't make sense in my book
Mar 23 12:20:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Halftux: anyway please make *ansolutely sure* about correct versioning *before* you upload to builder/repo
Mar 23 12:21:06 <DocScrutinizer05> that shit think locks up hard when there's anything odd in version string
Mar 23 12:21:12 <DocScrutinizer05> thing*
Mar 23 12:22:01 <Halftux> yeah thats why I am asking
Mar 23 12:22:26 <DocScrutinizer05> zombie packages idling in a tmp dir forever and no new package of faintly same name ever gets processed until some admin cleans out the zombie package
Mar 23 12:23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: ^^^ PING
Mar 23 12:25:37 <DocScrutinizer05> for shits n giggles, try apt-get search gnu
Mar 23 12:25:45 <Halftux> I can also take the debian jessie source code psmisc_22.21-2 and naming it psmisc-22.21-2maemo1 how about that
Mar 23 12:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# apt-cache search gnu|wc -l
Mar 23 12:26:01 <DocScrutinizer05> 289
Mar 23 12:26:31 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't you plan to make that psmisc-gnu?
Mar 23 12:28:09 <Halftux> oh yes sorry then psmisc-gnu_22.21-2maemo1
Mar 23 12:28:46 <DocScrutinizer05> so I *guess*  psmisc-gnu-22.21-2maemo1 or psmisc-gnu-22.21-2-maemo1  or psmisc-gnu-22.21-2-1maemo1
Mar 23 12:29:40 <DocScrutinizer05> and iirc *NOT* psmisc-gnu-22.21-2+maemo1
Mar 23 12:29:51 <Halftux> I would do it now like Tom Tanner, he was uploading these modified gnu packages
Mar 23 12:30:21 <DocScrutinizer05> please wait for somebody with a clue chiming in
Mar 23 12:30:52 <DocScrutinizer05> a package uploaded to builder is almost impossible to roll back
Mar 23 12:31:27 <DocScrutinizer05> this is an iltra nasty pitfall
Mar 23 12:31:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ultra, even
Mar 23 12:32:24 <Halftux> I will wait no problem
Mar 23 12:32:35 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: chem|st: Wizzup: merlin1991: freemangordon: please help us out
Mar 23 12:32:48 <DocScrutinizer05> *cough*
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Mar 23 12:33:30 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
Mar 23 12:33:37 <Halftux> nice one :D
Mar 23 12:33:54 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed, she turned sooo polite lately ;-P
Mar 23 12:35:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~version
Mar 23 12:35:31 <infobot> version is probably for the kernel "uname -r", for your distro "cat /etc/*-release" or "lsb_release -d". For other applications, try running it with a --version command.
Mar 23 12:35:41 <DocScrutinizer05> bllblblblblll!
Mar 23 12:36:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues *maemo*builder*
Mar 23 12:36:45 <infobot> Factoid search of '*maemo*builder*' by value (1): #maemo autobuilder.
Mar 23 12:36:54 <DocScrutinizer05> ~autobuilder
Mar 23 12:36:55 <infobot> well, autobuilder is https://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel#Autobuilder_special_considerations
Mar 23 12:37:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues *maemo*version*
Mar 23 12:37:29 <infobot> Factoid search of '*maemo*version*' by value (1): #maemo mhd.
Mar 23 12:39:19 <Halftux> "So if in Debian the package name was something like "Myapp-0.4-2" in maemo this package will be called "Myapp-0.4-2maemo0". The number after the "maemo" string is a progressive number. "
Mar 23 12:40:36 <Halftux> would be interesting for packages, which comes not from debian or comes from svn ...
Mar 23 12:42:22 <Halftux> quote comes from https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging Maemo revision string 
Mar 23 12:45:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds reasonable
Mar 23 12:46:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues *maemo*revision*
Mar 23 12:46:25 <infobot> Factoid search of '*maemo*revision*' by value returned no results.
Mar 23 12:46:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues *revision*
Mar 23 12:46:40 <infobot> Factoid search of '*revision*' by value (18 of 39): bz20cvs ;; cmd: com (.*?) ;; gif ;; jargon backward combatability ;; jargon bug-compatible ;; jargon readme file2 ;; jargon tmrc ;; jargon troglodyte ;; kde ;; kde4 ;; kernelmicrowave ;; mac error -303 ;; mac error -333 ;; patches ;; rcs ;; rfc 1350 ;; rfc 1602 ;; rfc 2026.
Mar 23 12:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues *revision*maemo*
Mar 23 12:46:47 <infobot> Factoid search of '*revision*maemo*' by value returned no results.
Mar 23 12:47:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo revision is <reply>find info about maemo package version, revision at https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo_revision_string
Mar 23 12:47:52 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Mar 23 12:48:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo version is <reply>see #maemo revision
Mar 23 12:48:19 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Mar 23 12:48:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~version
Mar 23 12:48:29 <infobot> find info about maemo package version, revision at https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo_revision_string
Mar 23 13:15:47 <duncan^> Hi, I'm looking for some assistance...
Mar 23 13:16:01 <duncan^> How can I launch the X terminal from the home display?
Mar 23 13:16:32 <duncan^> I select the tiles in the top left corner, and I only see a few items,which do not encompass the full suite pre-installed on a Maemo device.
Mar 23 13:37:58 <sicelo> 1) you make a shortcut to it. Or, (2) you use Shift+Ctrl+X 
Mar 23 13:38:35 <sicelo> unless i misunderstood you
Mar 23 13:57:39 <duncan^> That's the thing, I've made a shortcut, and it will not launch :/
Mar 23 13:57:46 <duncan^> I'll try CTRL+SHIFT+X
Mar 23 13:58:31 <duncan^> No, that doesn't work either :(
Mar 23 13:59:01 <duncan^> I suspect I might need to do a factory reset, I've got an intermittent error which says that the contacts app stopped due to an "internal error".
Mar 23 14:03:23 <Halftux> duncan^: how about ssh to your N900
Mar 23 14:06:25 <duncan^>  How can I do that?
Mar 23 14:06:36 <duncan^> All I want to do is install U-Boot in order to get rid of Maemo :(
Mar 23 14:08:18 <Halftux> flash the device and start from scratch
Mar 23 14:15:19 <Vajb> just realized that we have r-base on n900 as well. Is it usable?
Mar 23 14:17:39 <sicelo> getting rid of Maemo in favor of?
Mar 23 14:20:33 <Vajb> life :D
Mar 23 14:22:57 <sicelo> :-D
Mar 23 15:06:37 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: pong
Mar 23 15:06:47 <DocScrutinizer05> hi :)
Mar 23 15:06:50 <freemangordon> hi
Mar 23 15:07:07 <DocScrutinizer05> question was about version/revision string of packages
Mar 23 15:07:54 <freemangordon> sorry, backscroll is too long to read, what question?
Mar 23 15:08:05 <freemangordon> or the problem is solved?
Mar 23 15:08:11 <DocScrutinizer05> [2018-03-23 Fri 13:06:30] <Halftux> DocScrutinizer05: regarding the psmisc package I think we need to go with a psmisc-gnu package. I would take the source code from sourceforge psmisc-22.21.tar.gz. How would be the correct maemo version numbering. psmisc-22.21maemo1 or psmisc-22.21-1maemo5.
Mar 23 15:08:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~version
Mar 23 15:08:30 <infobot> find info about maemo package version, revision at https://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo_revision_string
Mar 23 15:09:24 <freemangordon> I am not sure this is entirely correct though
Mar 23 15:09:35 <DocScrutinizer05> then please fix it :-)
Mar 23 15:09:44 <DocScrutinizer05> or tell me how to fix it
Mar 23 15:11:00 <freemangordon> what I see in reality is that versioning is more like $DEB_VERSION+$MAEMO_REVISIONmaemo$MAEMO_ISSUE
Mar 23 15:11:53 <freemangordon> i.e. package-1.2-3+0maemo5 for the first maemo version, package-1.2-3+1maemo5 for the second and so on
Mar 23 15:12:30 <DocScrutinizer05> uhuh, screwed
Mar 23 15:12:35 <freemangordon> *but* - it seems not all the packages follow that
Mar 23 15:12:50 <freemangordon> so I am not really sure what to tell :)
Mar 23 15:12:55 <freemangordon> *say
Mar 23 15:13:24 <DocScrutinizer05> there are however *some* version strings that fsck up the autobuilder/repo, no?
Mar 23 15:13:44 <DocScrutinizer05> or even HAM
Mar 23 15:13:45 <freemangordon> yes, but it is a matter of special characters in there
Mar 23 15:13:48 <freemangordon> iirc
Mar 23 15:13:54 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:   +
Mar 23 15:13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
Mar 23 15:14:25 <freemangordon> however, I think psmisc-22.21-1maemo5 should be fine
Mar 23 15:14:35 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Mar 23 15:14:40 <freemangordon> oh, wait
Mar 23 15:14:43 <DocScrutinizer05> Halftux: ^^^
Mar 23 15:14:55 <freemangordon> psmisc-22.21+1maemo5
Mar 23 15:15:10 <DocScrutinizer05> arrrgh
Mar 23 15:15:15 <freemangordon> + (plus), not -(dash)
Mar 23 15:15:43 <freemangordon> - has a special meaning and is reserved for debian maintainers :)
Mar 23 15:16:22 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: any thoughts about i.MX ?
Mar 23 15:16:35 <freemangordon> hmm? what is this? :)
Mar 23 15:16:44 <DocScrutinizer05> i.MX8 SoC
Mar 23 15:16:45 <freemangordon> SoC?
Mar 23 15:16:52 <freemangordon> in what regard?
Mar 23 15:17:02 <DocScrutinizer05> software, whatever
Mar 23 15:17:10 <freemangordon> no idea
Mar 23 15:17:24 <DocScrutinizer05> hardware, availability, quality
Mar 23 15:17:38 <DocScrutinizer05> any comments appreciated
Mar 23 15:17:41 <freemangordon> no, sorry
Mar 23 15:17:46 <DocScrutinizer05> np, ta
Mar 23 15:17:50 <freemangordon> I have NFC
Mar 23 15:18:02 <DocScrutinizer05> please sort that version thing
Mar 23 15:18:20 <DocScrutinizer05> we need an authoritative instruction what must get used
Mar 23 15:19:34 <DocScrutinizer05> this is a topic where I got NFC
Mar 23 15:19:37 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Mar 23 15:25:45 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: let me know if http s://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Packaging&action=edit&section=24 doesn't work for you
Mar 23 15:27:10 <freemangordon> it works
Mar 23 15:27:39 <freemangordon> but I am not really sure how to change it
Mar 23 15:27:55 <freemangordon> I am not the one that designed maemo :)
Mar 23 15:29:58 <DocScrutinizer05> well, but one of those with the most clue about it, particularly autobuilder :-)
Mar 23 15:30:06 <DocScrutinizer05> don't be shy :-)
Mar 23 15:30:53 <DocScrutinizer05> or let's consider whom to ask who got more clue than me and even you 
Mar 23 15:31:11 <DocScrutinizer05> pali?
Mar 23 15:31:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen pali
Mar 23 15:31:27 <infobot> pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 142d 18h ago, saying: 'ok'.
Mar 23 15:31:32 <DocScrutinizer05> :-O
Mar 23 15:38:36 <freemangordon> it is not about being shy, I am just not sure
Mar 23 17:20:11 <duncan^> Could someone walk me through using 0xFFFF tool to reset my N900?
Mar 23 17:20:32 <duncan^> It's a drop-in replacement for the manufacturer tool, right?
Mar 23 17:49:20 <duncan^> I've got the Maemo update image RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin. Is this is fiasco format? Or do I need to do something else in order to reflash rootfs?
Mar 23 18:04:32 <sixwheeledbeast> ~lf
Mar 23 18:04:32 <infobot> somebody said #maemo lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
Mar 23 18:04:47 <sixwheeledbeast> should have everything you need
Mar 23 18:17:57 <duncan^> what a cool script ;)
Mar 23 18:18:00 <duncan^> Thanks :)
Mar 23 18:22:53 <duncan^> Hmm.
Mar 23 18:25:15 <duncan^> The script says to remove the battery, and then the script continues. How does that work, given that it just continued anyway?
Mar 23 18:28:43 <Halftux> dont know the script but before you start flashing your battery should be fully charged and the sim card should be removed
Mar 23 18:28:54 <duncan^> Yes that's fine
Mar 24 00:02:49 <DocScrutinizer05> duncan^: the script instructions are precise and proven to work
Mar 24 00:04:16 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole scropt is just a tad talkative, mainly due to flasher's diagnostic output
Mar 24 00:05:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and I planned to eventually add a persistent log users could provide in case of probllems
Mar 24 00:05:08 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't get around to that
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