**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 03:00:01 2018
May 07 04:47:59 <mike727> In Melbourne AU, there is a E90 for sale
May 07 04:57:31 <DocScrutinizer05> pkthis would be possible but is not supported by any of the processes using el-v1
May 07 04:57:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: ^^^
May 07 04:58:44 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: you could rename the existing db and a backup db, then kill all the processes that use them and they 'magically' jump to the 'new' db
May 07 04:59:27 <DocScrutinizer05> need kill -9
May 07 04:59:55 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
May 07 05:03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> unrelated fun, that's how I waste my time when I get silly: http://tinyurl.com/y6v89djd 
May 07 17:22:09 <Sarah2009> Hello all :)
May 07 17:22:14 <KotCzarny> hi
May 07 17:22:55 <Sarah2009> i am new to linux i have a small question i want to install a programm called woeusb but somehow it is not accepting my command into the terminal can you help me?
May 07 17:23:24 <Sarah2009> this is what i type in "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8"
May 07 17:24:05 <KotCzarny> keep in mind maemo's apt is from 2010
May 07 17:24:17 <KotCzarny> maybe it didnt knew about ppa and friends by then
May 07 17:24:33 <KotCzarny> pastebin the error ?
May 07 17:24:42 <Sarah2009> i use endless os
May 07 17:25:48 <KotCzarny> never heard of it
May 07 17:26:21 <Sarah2009> i did type this code just now "git clone https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB.git"
May 07 17:26:27 <Sarah2009> and it said done
May 07 17:26:40 <Sarah2009> how can i open the cloned thing now
May 07 17:26:49 <KotCzarny> cd WoeUSB ?
May 07 17:27:31 <KotCzarny> if you are having troubles with getting areound in command line, try installing mc (midnight commander)
May 07 17:27:40 <KotCzarny> should ease looking what and whre
May 07 17:27:41 <Sarah2009> i did type in cd WoeUSB
May 07 17:28:05 <Sarah2009> now it says "WoeUSB$"
May 07 17:28:12 <Sarah2009> but the programm didnt start yet
May 07 17:28:17 <Sarah2009> do you know how i open it?
May 07 17:28:57 <KotCzarny> you hjave probably just cloned source
May 07 17:29:04 <KotCzarny> look for readme or install text files
May 07 17:30:11 <warfare> Sarah2009: Instructions are on https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB (starting at "Build from Source") 
May 07 17:31:32 <Sarah2009> i am new to linux i don't know which command i need to type in to install it
May 07 17:31:51 <Sarah2009> i do not know if i need debian based
May 07 17:31:53 <Sarah2009> #fedora
May 07 17:31:56 <Sarah2009> or fedora
May 07 17:34:12 <Sarah2009> so confusing
May 07 17:35:07 <KotCzarny> read the install instructions
May 07 17:38:54 <Sarah2009> i tried : "sudo dnf install wxGTK3-devel" didnt work
May 07 17:39:02 <Sarah2009> sudo dnf install wxGTK-devel dh-autoreconf.noarch
May 07 17:39:04 <Sarah2009> also didnt work
May 07 17:39:24 <Sarah2009> sudo apt-get install devscripts equivs gdebi-core this one did an error
May 07 17:40:31 <Sarah2009> cd <WoeUSB source code directory> what is the source code directory?
May 07 17:40:56 <Sarah2009> so confusing
May 07 17:41:51 <KotCzarny> apt-get install boolstuff ?
May 07 17:42:35 <KotCzarny> or not, hmm, dont know which package has dnf
May 07 17:45:06 <Sarah2009> is there no other way to install it?
May 07 17:46:18 <Sarah2009> like on windows it is just double click on a setupd file :P
May 07 17:49:34 <Sarah2009> so nobody knows how to install this on my computer?
May 07 17:54:05 <KotCzarny> did you do apt-get install and mk-build-deps steps from install instruction?
May 07 17:57:13 <Sarah2009> tell me what i need to write in
May 07 17:57:19 <Sarah2009> so i can copy paste
May 07 17:57:26 <Sarah2009> i am a real noob sorry
May 07 17:58:34 <KotCzarny> see the paragraph after: Install WoeUSB's Build Dependencies
May 07 17:58:46 <KotCzarny> dont know what your os is based on, i guess debian
May 07 17:58:54 <KotCzarny> try: sudo apt-get install devscripts equivs gdebi-core
May 07 19:06:02 <Sarah2009> my os is endless os
May 07 19:06:07 <Sarah2009> can you google it?
May 07 19:06:28 <Sarah2009> it says
May 07 19:06:35 <Sarah2009> devscripts cannot be found
May 07 19:06:43 <Sarah2009> equivs cannot be found
May 07 19:06:49 <Sarah2009> gdebi-core cannot be found
May 07 19:55:58 <Sarah2009> https://thepasteb.in/p/NxhVQJzMOZpHN
May 07 20:07:53 <Sarah2009> anyone can help?
May 07 20:16:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Sarah2009: maybe #endless   ?
May 07 20:16:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not sure how this is related to maemo and Nokia NIT devices
May 07 20:17:43 <KotCzarny> The operating system that comes with everything your family needs
May 07 20:17:53 <KotCzarny> apparently they skipped development
May 07 20:17:55 <KotCzarny> :)
May 07 20:18:14 <KotCzarny> ergo: in eyes of endlessos - family doesnt need development
May 07 20:20:08 <KotCzarny> they dont even provide gcc?
May 07 20:20:09 <KotCzarny> o.O
May 07 20:20:28 <KotCzarny> https://support.endlessm.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002546631-How-can-I-add-tools-like-GCC-on-EOS-
May 07 20:21:08 <DocScrutinizer05> they don't even provide a hint which hw platform they are aiming at
May 07 20:21:18 <KotCzarny> https://support.endlessm.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004795106-Is-Endless-OS-based-on-Debian-
May 07 20:21:20 <KotCzarny> they do
May 07 20:22:15 <KotCzarny> similar answer as 'is maemo based on debian'
May 07 20:22:18 <DocScrutinizer05> well maybe in the fineprint but evidently not on their friggin frontpage that maxed out my 400Mb link for 10s to download... rubbish not shown on the page
May 07 20:22:37 <KotCzarny> install noscript extension
May 07 20:22:45 <KotCzarny> trims most of the trash away
May 07 20:23:09 * DocScrutinizer05 googles "noscript for konqueror"
May 07 20:24:40 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway looks like the umpteenth linux flavor made for users who can't decide which apps and wallpaper to install
May 07 20:25:09 <DocScrutinizer05> just meh
May 07 20:26:21 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe all that stuff helps teach people there's mor than just 2 OS out there, but in the end you want one of the big penguin five, no?
May 07 20:26:34 <KotCzarny> oh wow, they even sell hardware with their os preloaded
May 07 20:26:49 <DocScrutinizer05> now THAT is what they make money from
May 07 20:26:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I already wondered
May 07 20:27:54 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, since every PIC embedded in a leaf of toilet paper has to come with own OS nowadays, if only the wallpaper and name changed
May 07 20:28:58 <DocScrutinizer05> would be too fishy to sell devices with plain mainstram GNU/linux installed
May 07 20:29:29 <KotCzarny>  1.58GHz Intel Celeron N2807,  2GB DDR3L 1,333MHz 
May 07 20:29:31 <KotCzarny> o.O
May 07 20:29:33 <DocScrutinizer05> see Purism
May 07 20:30:17 <Sarah2009> so anyone knows how to do it? xD
May 07 20:30:29 <KotCzarny> Sarah2009: yeah, install ubuntu
May 07 20:30:32 <KotCzarny> :)
May 07 20:30:33 <TheKit> DocScrutinizer05, what about Purism?
May 07 20:30:35 <DocScrutinizer05> please /join #endless 
May 07 20:30:59 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: you do release they don't just sell hardware? :-)
May 07 20:31:04 <KotCzarny> Sarah2009: another way would be running that ubuntu under windows in virtualbox
May 07 20:31:05 <DocScrutinizer05> seems purism needs to roll their own OS
May 07 20:31:08 <bencoh> they sell a phone, as a complete solution
May 07 20:31:44 <bencoh> meaning they need to ensure proper integration is done
May 07 20:31:55 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
May 07 20:32:05 <DocScrutinizer05> if only they had a clue
May 07 20:32:31 <DocScrutinizer05> what they consider integration is just branding in my book
May 07 20:34:04 <TheKit> if you mean laptops, maybe, but pure Debian is pretty useless on phones/mobile devices
May 07 20:34:32 <DocScrutinizer05> *I* know that
May 07 20:34:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-D
May 07 20:34:39 <KotCzarny> :)
May 07 20:34:43 <bencoh> hahaha :-)
May 07 20:35:05 <bencoh> honestly, as long as they eventually manage to produce/sell a real, working, modern smartphone with full opensource support, I don't mind the branding :)
May 07 20:35:23 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
May 07 20:35:52 <DocScrutinizer05> just you can get that already, basically they are not much more opensource than arbitrary android devices
May 07 20:36:19 <DocScrutinizer05> and well, nobody could
May 07 20:36:33 <bencoh> what they're trying to achieve here is really supposed to have full opensource support
May 07 20:36:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't have OS on radio stack
May 07 20:37:05 <bencoh> ah, right, sorry, except for baseband ;)
May 07 20:37:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and iirc they fail to provide OS drivers for their WLAN either, also no crime since it's getting hard these days
May 07 20:37:42 <bencoh> tbh they had me worried with the "imx6 or imx8" thing (first because it would add a significant dev/prod delay, second because I've worked with the imx* family and imx6 is getting old, and not exactly power efficient)
May 07 20:37:48 <DocScrutinizer05> but all this isn't an achievement basically
May 07 20:37:51 <bencoh> but looks like they're doing rather fine thus far
May 07 20:38:01 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmmm
May 07 20:38:18 <bencoh> platform/dev-wise at least
May 07 20:38:21 <DocScrutinizer05> not so sure about that
May 07 20:38:43 <bencoh> (I haven't looked much further recently, apart from "working on imx8 integration, things look good")
May 07 20:39:17 <DocScrutinizer05> i.MX8 is a monster, you want i,MX8M-mini
May 07 20:39:37 <bencoh> I'm a bit jealous, freescale have been trying to push imx8 to us ($job), but the higher-ups have refused even to try it thus far
May 07 20:39:44 <bencoh> (for roughly a year)
May 07 20:40:22 <bencoh> hmm, it's a monster for tiny embedded devices, not so much for a modern smartphone with 3000~6000mAh
May 07 20:40:34 <DocScrutinizer05> even then
May 07 20:40:35 <bencoh> imx8m, that is
May 07 20:40:41 <DocScrutinizer05> needs heatsink I heard
May 07 20:40:46 <DocScrutinizer05> and fan
May 07 20:40:49 <bencoh> imx8x (your "mini") isn't out yet, so ... not an option
May 07 20:41:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I know
May 07 20:41:00 <bencoh> a *fan*? wtf :D
May 07 20:41:09 <bencoh> reminds me of omap5 :]
May 07 20:41:21 <bencoh> (was it omap5 that needed a fan for its dev board?)
May 07 20:41:33 <DocScrutinizer05> don't know
May 07 20:41:47 <KotCzarny> smartphone with a heatsink and a fan. add some blinking leds and neon tubes while you are there
May 07 20:41:50 <KotCzarny> :)
May 07 20:43:09 <DocScrutinizer05> what really freaks me out about purism is their hw switch and how they market that as a huge engineering achievement, comletely ignoring the usability and security(gain) aspects of such simplistic approach
May 07 20:43:12 <bencoh> pretty sure they'll end up with throttling it
May 07 20:43:57 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: pretty sure it's just a marketing thing
May 07 20:44:24 <bencoh> they're trying to sell the device as a secure, privacy-oriented phone
May 07 20:44:30 <DocScrutinizer05> while actually it is just a lightswitch to cure issues with hypersensitivity to light. Off and you got no phone, on and you got all the problems that piled up, in one rush
May 07 20:44:53 <bencoh> so to make people acknowledge that, you sell them a kill switch
May 07 20:45:00 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
May 07 20:45:09 <DocScrutinizer05> I call that cheating
May 07 20:45:30 <KotCzarny> i call that marketing
May 07 20:45:33 <bencoh> because then, when it's off, it's really off (or so people think), unlike software (where you have no way of checking it)
May 07 20:45:36 <KotCzarny> (might be same thing)
May 07 20:45:51 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed, purism has excellent marketing
May 07 20:46:03 <bencoh> I would call that cheating, if they really had no way of shutting it down :)
May 07 20:46:11 <bencoh> (be it software or hardware)
May 07 20:46:29 <bencoh> meanwhile, they're just overselling it
May 07 20:46:40 <DocScrutinizer05> a reansistor and LED would do a better job already, *really*
May 07 20:46:45 <DocScrutinizer05> transistor
May 07 20:46:58 <DocScrutinizer05> instead of a silly hw switch with no feedback
May 07 20:47:01 <bencoh> I know, but that wouldn't sell as well
May 07 20:47:08 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly
May 07 20:47:37 <bencoh> they probably still have the gpio-driven transistor I guess (or at least I hope)
May 07 20:47:42 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway folks I have to run, sorry
May 07 20:47:45 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
May 07 20:47:50 <bencoh> take care :-)
May 07 20:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ta
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