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May 23 05:45:40 <freemangordon> sicelo: only in context of leste
May 23 05:49:12 <sicelo> :-)
May 23 05:49:19 <sicelo> makes sense
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May 23 09:13:28 <DocScrutinizer05> tobypus: ping
May 23 09:13:28 <tobypus> pong
May 23 09:14:43 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_maemo/
May 23 15:13:46 <DocScrutinizer05> wow, der ist aber auch schneller als gewoehnlich  https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=e
May 23 15:13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> aah weil er sofort seine 100 voll hat
May 23 15:14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=gibbetnetSuchsteEWIG
May 23 15:14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq der tobypus is wech
May 23 15:15:08 <DocScrutinizer05> oops ETAB
May 23 15:15:18 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: ^^^
May 23 17:02:12 <sixwheeledbeast> Rarely use my N900 for browsing as I normally have a desktop/laptop handy. Noticed recently many sites will not load on any of the browsers I have installed. What browser are people using at the moment?
May 23 17:02:42 <KotCzarny> firefox (fennec) for those js bastards
May 23 17:03:12 <KotCzarny> and dillo/midori/stock one for non-brain dead ones
May 23 17:20:53 <sixwheeledbeast> so thumb then for fennec 17? stock fails due to certs on a load of sites
May 23 17:21:22 <sicelo> yes thumb seems the only one that makes sense
May 23 17:21:30 <sicelo> anyway certs will be a problem there too
May 23 17:22:44 <sicelo> i use opera mobile, fennec, and microb
May 23 17:29:04 <sixwheeledbeast> microb, qml browser and opera all have cert issues on most sites.
May 23 17:30:08 <KotCzarny> i wonder if installing squid with own cert implanted into browser would be good idea
May 23 17:30:25 <KotCzarny> (and with caching disabled)
May 23 17:34:22 <Juesto> don't they have their own cert stuff or just reuse system store?
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May 23 19:24:23 <bencoh> sixwheeledbeast: do they fell due to certs issues or due to incompativle/missing tls versions or ciphers?
May 23 19:27:01 <sicelo> it's the latter
May 23 19:27:09 <sixwheeledbeast> let me try a few sites, each one was a different error code IIRC
May 23 19:32:27 <sixwheeledbeast> no_cypher_overlap  and  sec_error_unknown_issuer 
May 23 19:42:11 <KotCzarny> first one is old protos, second is old certs
May 23 19:42:12 <KotCzarny> :)
May 23 20:01:57 <Juesto> so
May 23 20:02:48 <Juesto> how comparable is maemo to Android, iOS, blackberry, old jme phones?
May 23 20:02:54 <Juesto> for you guys
May 23 20:02:58 <KotCzarny> in what regard
May 23 20:03:06 <Juesto> overall
May 23 20:04:25 <KotCzarny> we wouldnt be using it if we wouldnt want/like
May 23 20:11:09 <Juesto> KotCzarny: my question is how well it plays compared to other mobile systems
May 23 20:11:18 <Juesto> just a curiosity comparison
May 23 20:11:29 <Juesto> experiences
May 23 20:11:37 <KotCzarny> your question just doesnt make sense, it's too broad
May 23 20:11:43 <KotCzarny> and too person specific
May 23 20:12:44 <Juesto> i know, it's a abstract question
May 23 20:12:57 <Juesto> there's always a overall
May 23 20:13:03 <Juesto> or average
May 23 20:13:16 <Juesto> ugh
May 23 20:13:31 <Juesto> just some curiosity about maemo itself i guess
May 23 20:13:49 <Juesto> sorry for such broad question i suppose??
May 23 21:55:12 <sixwheeledbeast> We wouldn't be here if it was just any old OS? There also wouldn't be devs trying to port it if it had a terrible UX.
May 23 22:21:20 <Juesto> hug
May 23 22:21:22 <Juesto> huh
May 23 22:21:33 <Juesto> how's that exactly
May 23 22:21:50 <Juesto> why this community is alive then
May 23 22:23:48 <KotCzarny> because it's a nice linux phone
May 23 22:24:06 <KotCzarny> and few folks work hard to make the software fully open and current
May 23 22:24:25 <Wizzup> too hard ;) 
May 23 22:24:32 <KotCzarny> and because it's old good nokia, it's good
May 23 22:28:58 <Juesto> why when there's Android which easily can supersede maemo and is much flexible
May 23 22:29:21 <Juesto> :/
May 23 22:36:19 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: speaking of which, we could use a sunxi port maintainer ;p 
May 23 22:49:15 <KotCzarny> wizzup: sure, why not, what i need to do?
May 23 22:49:39 <sixwheeledbeast> Maemo has a well designed UI that is far superior to the others IMO.
May 23 22:50:14 <KotCzarny> juesto: because android is treating you as a commodity. you are used by android, not the other way round
May 23 22:50:30 <Juesto> Huh
May 23 22:50:51 <sixwheeledbeast> Flexibility is also relative to the user, being able to pull up a terminal maybe important some and unused by others
May 23 22:51:53 <KotCzarny> also, with android you almost always have no update possibility
May 23 22:52:21 <KotCzarny> afair google obsoleted anything older than droid6 (or 5)
May 23 22:52:29 <Juesto> no update possiblity?
May 23 22:52:33 <KotCzarny> nope
May 23 22:52:39 <Juesto> uh things evolve
May 23 22:52:50 <KotCzarny> closed kernels + blobs means no newer android for you
May 23 22:53:12 <Juesto> there's a point where the hardware can't run it, like everything
May 23 22:53:19 <KotCzarny> nope.
May 23 22:53:21 <KotCzarny> it's not that.
May 23 22:53:26 <Juesto> android is foss
May 23 22:53:42 <Juesto> and there's lineage os/cyanogen
May 23 22:53:54 <Juesto> for the updateability
May 23 22:54:03 <KotCzarny> sure, android might be foss in most parts
May 23 22:54:19 <KotCzarny> but it's the closed bits that put you in 'obsoleted' bin
May 23 22:54:26 <Juesto> i know
May 23 22:54:46 <Juesto> you can still use aosp without belonging to the google ecosystem
May 23 22:55:04 <KotCzarny> sure, but for what?
May 23 22:55:05 <Juesto> and the same thing is happening with google chrome and chromium
May 23 22:55:40 <KotCzarny> once app you want requires google services, you are done
May 23 22:56:19 <Juesto> ehh
May 23 22:56:24 <Juesto> fdroid for that
May 23 22:56:28 <KotCzarny> nope
May 23 22:56:33 <Juesto> :/
May 23 22:56:46 <Juesto> oh well blame the app devs then
May 23 22:56:49 <Juesto> what else
May 23 22:56:50 <KotCzarny> i'm not talking about installing apps, i'm talking about apps that rely on particular libraries/services
May 23 22:57:09 <Juesto> yeah those stuff are contemplated on fdroid
May 23 22:57:57 <KotCzarny> also, i'm not saying that you can't use android, if it suits you, go for it
May 23 22:58:03 <KotCzarny> i prefer linux
May 23 22:58:22 <KotCzarny> and that's why i'm sticking with n900
May 23 22:59:08 <Juesto> eh what I'm just wondering after all is about this os why it wasn't let it extinguish
May 23 22:59:20 <Juesto> like all the other outdated oses
May 23 22:59:57 <Juesto> ugh, what a dumb topic
May 23 23:00:24 <KotCzarny> dont worry, kids today wont ever know what is linux
May 23 23:00:47 <KotCzarny> and in a few generations wont know what is inside their shiny toys
May 23 23:02:05 <Juesto> you don't say?
May 23 23:02:18 <Juesto> linux is used in education a lot
May 23 23:04:51 <KotCzarny> just you wait
May 23 23:05:20 <Juesto> ?
May 23 23:09:58 <Juesto> KotCzarny: wdym
May 23 23:13:11 <sixwheeledbeast> there are many reasons why, as above its a bit of a vague and subjective question I suppose.
May 23 23:31:14 <sixwheeledbeast> Maemo really has stood the test of time, if you think about it. OS2005 was released before iOS and Android.
May 23 23:41:18 <timeless> hi KotCzarny 
May 23 23:41:30 * timeless is looking for someone familiar w/ debian-exim4
May 23 23:41:50 <KotCzarny> timeless: ahoy
May 23 23:42:12 * timeless is trying to configure it to (1) allow incoming mail (only for the computer itself); (2) allow outgoing mail (only from the computer itself); (3) not allow incoming mail to be sent to another computer
May 23 23:43:27 <timeless> I have computers that are properly configured to do that...
May 23 23:43:37 <timeless> but so far it seems that my configuration of exim4 hasn't resulted in that :-(
May 23 23:44:49 <KotCzarny> maybe configure catch all for outgoing mail not directed to localhost ?
May 23 23:45:30 <timeless> got it
May 23 23:45:56 <timeless> the trick is that `dc_relay_domains=...` doesn't apply to localhost, but does apply to everything else...
May 24 00:09:02 <CatButts> jesus, the low-battery alarm is scary
May 24 00:09:26 <CatButts> especially when it's 2 am and you are trying to sleep :p
May 24 00:09:41 <KotCzarny> what low battery alarm?
May 24 00:09:59 <CatButts> the default one from n900
May 24 00:10:08 <KotCzarny> never heard it
May 24 01:50:42 <Oksana> Never heard it. Granted, I like to put computers on silent...
May 24 01:56:16 <Juesto> :)
May 24 01:56:23 <Juesto> hi Oksana
May 24 02:07:10 * Juesto sighs
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