**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 06 03:00:10 2018 Jun 06 03:34:57 Yeah LD_LIBRARY_PATH Jun 06 03:35:23 I just copied my entire openssl-1.1.0h tree to my N900 and ran the test there and it worked Jun 06 03:36:16 So I might take a look and see what's different or I may give up and disable that one test in the test suite and move on. Jun 06 03:36:17 Not sure yet Jun 06 03:39:23 jonwil: Use an x86 smartphone so that you can run the same build on both desktop and mobile? ;-) Jun 06 03:39:34 :P Jun 06 03:39:47 I am sure the binary is good, its probably just something weird in the environment Jun 06 03:41:06 jonwil: Have you tried running the x86 build with the same memory constraints as the N900 has? Jun 06 03:41:53 We know the x86 build runs in scratchbox and the test suites run correctly Jun 06 03:42:04 And we know the ARM build runs on my N900 and the test case in question also runs correctly Jun 06 03:42:39 Its just the ARM build in Scratchbox (where there is plenty of system resources available to the qemu-scratchbox thing) that is failing. Jun 06 03:42:59 So its either a problem with the enviornment or something qemu-scratchbox-whatever doesn't like Jun 06 03:43:20 Either way, the binary that gets built from my tree passes that test Jun 06 03:43:28 meaning there is no problem with the build system Jun 06 03:43:46 and disabling the test shouldn't be a problem Jun 06 03:44:02 that is, if I cant find the reason the test fails on SB but works on-device Jun 06 03:46:26 Does the N900 have more RAM than the contemporary Apple iPhone model? I remember that the N900 briefly had a higher resolution display than the iPhone until the iPhone 4, I think, was released. Jun 06 03:50:27 If I cared about anything made by crApple, I wouldn't be in here working to make the N900 a better device :) Jun 06 03:59:17 Nokia N900 and iPhone 3GS were released in 2009. Nokia N900 has 256MB Mobile DDR+768MB swap space. iPhone 3GS has 256MB DRAM (no swap?). Identical CPUs? Very similar GPUs? Jun 06 04:00:13 And iPhone 3GS features 3MPx camera. Nokia N900 has 5MPx camera. Jun 06 04:12:52 Oksana: Yes, I was reading articles on Wikipedia. Apparently the iPhone 3GS, the contemporary of the N900, and the first-generation iPad have 256 MiB of RAM, same as the N900, but the iPhone 4 doubles the amount of RAM. The GPUs may be similar but the CPUs are from different companies: the N900 uses an OMAP SoC from TI but the early iPhone models use Samsung SoCs. Jun 06 04:30:23 On a notebook computer with hotkeys to change the display brightness, do the hotkeys usually work independently of the software currently running? Or do the hotkeys require special support by the software, usually an OS? I have a notebook computer from 2006 at work that I thought has a problem with the backlight of the integrated LCD but maybe someone set the display brightness very dim because I realised after I already came home from work that I did not Jun 06 04:30:23 try the hotkeys to change the display brightness. Jun 06 04:41:37 bencoh: actually I should have set a forward from #maemo-cssu to #maemo-ssu Jun 06 04:42:03 brolin_empey: depends. Jun 06 04:42:21 DocScrutinizer05: or just ##deaddevices Jun 06 04:43:48 luke-jr: meh, not funny Jun 06 04:44:19 actually even totally silly Jun 06 04:44:45 and stupid, since maeme isn't a device Jun 06 04:47:08 I'm not being very serious right now. Just ask #dragonbox-pyra and #anime Jun 06 05:04:15 hi, i need Maemo_Flasher-3.5 for centos :) Help to find Jun 06 05:04:35 for installation maemo-leste Jun 06 05:21:53 vahe: find everything on maemo.cloud-7.de Jun 06 05:23:04 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot2.png Jun 06 05:24:19 please don't post any URLs you deduced from this! As soon as there are any web spiders showing up on forbidden dirs, I will remove them Jun 06 05:34:51 is there a maemo flasher for POWER9? Jun 06 05:36:02 you can always write your own installer Jun 06 05:36:12 taking rescueos as a base for example Jun 06 05:45:40 KotCzarny: thanks! :) Jun 06 05:48:36 I'm totally off context with >> And we know the ARM build runs on my N900 and the test case in question also runs correctly Its just the ARM build in Scratchbox (where there is plenty of system resources available to the qemu-scratchbox thing) that is failing.<< What is the problem now? and how do you run ARM build on N900 when it doesn'T even build in SB? Jun 06 05:49:41 he has a problem with one of the tests during checks Jun 06 05:50:07 which means sb fail, while on n900 apparently it doesnt Jun 06 05:50:13 *fails Jun 06 05:50:31 how hard can it be to spot the test that fails? Jun 06 05:50:32 probably a bug in sb somewhere Jun 06 05:50:43 its not the problem of spotting, but fixing Jun 06 05:50:56 and honestly how hard can it be to check WHY it fails? Jun 06 05:50:57 because he managed to run the failing part on n900 Jun 06 05:51:06 go for it, i'm busy Jun 06 05:51:54 jonwill has a talent to talk about a success as if it were a total fail Jun 06 05:53:06 I for one wouldn't give a flying F* why tests fail in sb-armel when they succeed on target platform Jun 06 05:53:57 and after long decoding of what he posted, I gather that's the situation he faces now Jun 06 05:56:01 feels like a professional commercial airline captain worries about not being able to land the 747 in simulator. While he does it in RL every day successfully Jun 06 05:57:27 and the simulator landing works fine, just the simulator test rating then states it didn't Jun 06 05:59:32 you shouldn't go in chat like "damn! this month I crashed 5 747 during landing" ;-P Jun 06 06:01:37 DocScrutinizer05: fiasco+co -- 403 - Forbidden Jun 06 06:01:47 vahe: yes Jun 06 06:01:53 read again what I posted Jun 06 06:01:59 or simply never mind Jun 06 06:03:19 I don't know what that means Jun 06 06:03:20 you gonna have to type the URL manually, from the info provided to you. And please never post sucbh URL anywhere Jun 06 06:03:45 ah Jun 06 06:04:40 you just extend the http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ with the file you want Jun 06 06:05:06 Already understood, sorry :) Jun 06 06:05:16 Thanks again. Jun 06 06:05:33 np :-) thanks for not spoiling it by posting expanded URLs for the google spiders :-D Jun 06 06:06:58 actually eventually I might want to check for browser ID and only allow wget Jun 06 06:10:46 ok :) Jun 06 06:13:41 Download I understand, it remains to understand how to install :D Jun 06 06:13:58 for example, maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img Jun 06 06:14:49 install qflasher was normal Jun 06 06:16:35 DocScrutinizer05: Can you tell me that ? :) Jun 06 06:17:08 sorry, I have no idea about maemo-leste Jun 06 06:18:05 Well, you just have them set the phone memory as I understand :) Jun 06 06:18:27 install img about as lazy install Jun 06 06:18:43 you can add own images to lazyflashinfg Jun 06 06:19:13 yes? Jun 06 06:19:14 nice Jun 06 06:20:04 you need to copy the image to the local cache dir where all the images live, the append an according md5sum line to the file with md5sums, then give the image name as parameter to flash-it-all.sh Jun 06 06:20:18 theN append* Jun 06 06:20:56 but actually you as well could just invoke dlasher directly, with the right parameters Jun 06 06:21:04 flasher* Jun 06 06:21:38 Please give a link to the lazyflashing Jun 06 06:22:01 ~lf Jun 06 06:22:02 hmm... #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Jun 06 06:22:07 ty Jun 06 06:22:35 but wait, you already got all you need Jun 06 06:22:48 lf doesn't have any benefit for you Jun 06 06:23:57 just look into http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir_v2/ to understand what it does Jun 06 06:24:30 particularly http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir_v2/flash-it-all.sh Jun 06 06:27:15 actually just run "flash-it-all.sh maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img" - should guide you along what to do, by error messages Jun 06 06:27:33 disclaimer: I got no idea if maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img is meant to get used this way Jun 06 06:27:39 most likely not Jun 06 06:28:24 I'd assume the maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img needs to get dd'ed onto a uSD card, then you tweak uBoot to boot from that card Jun 06 06:29:01 but again, I got no clue about current state and recommended procedures around maemo-leste Jun 06 06:32:22 i would say that jonwil has done a pretty good job on porting openssl Jun 06 06:32:57 i agree with DocScrutinizer05, he speaks as if the world had just fallen down... when in fact the binary works perfectly on n900 and is just one single test that doesn't run properly on scratchbox Jun 06 06:33:10 i would rate that a 99.9% success Jun 06 06:33:36 ^^^ Jun 06 06:34:09 DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.centos.org/820001/15282668/ Do you have any ideas ? Jun 06 06:34:17 for my port of an older release of openssl i just removed the tests and was happy enough about it Jun 06 06:34:48 to make matters worse, he's pretty fuzzy and confusing in his explanations of what got done and what were the results Jun 06 06:36:03 vahe: what the error says ""has no checksum line in local file md5sums.txt for checking file integrity"" Jun 06 06:36:43 md5sum maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img >>md5sums.txt Jun 06 06:37:05 lol ok )) Jun 06 06:52:36 vahe: all good now? Jun 06 06:52:45 yes ) i try now Jun 06 06:53:02 http://pastebin.centos.org/820051/26797815/ Jun 06 06:54:10 ohyeah, the errorcode is a bug. other than that I'd just think the image provided doesn't fit for flashing like that Jun 06 06:54:37 full log http://pastebin.centos.org/820056/82680671/ Jun 06 06:55:06 Yeah, I should have tried)) Jun 06 06:55:09 Invalid FIASCO file header Jun 06 06:55:33 the img file is actually called Invalid FIASCO file Jun 06 06:55:42 the img file is actually called FIASCO file Jun 06 06:56:51 as stated above, I'd assume this maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img is a disk image to get copied to a uSD, not a fiasco file meant to get used with flasher Jun 06 06:57:49 you *might* want to run "file maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img" and see what linux thinks the filetype was Jun 06 06:58:26 http://maedevu.maemo.org/images/README.txt Jun 06 07:02:35 hmm, yeah. Doesn't provide generic instructions but suggests those are disk images Jun 06 07:04:28 * DocScrutinizer05 suddenly realizes with a shudder: leste sounds almost like (user) letse Jun 06 07:04:49 aka letsee aka estel Jun 06 07:05:26 for me it sounds more like 'm(a)e mo-leste' Jun 06 07:06:00 maemo-leste-ashin Jun 06 07:07:56 hehe Jun 06 07:08:16 you me like "me Ego" Jun 06 07:08:24 you mean* Jun 06 07:08:40 and "me amo" Jun 06 07:09:00 definitely made with love Jun 06 07:09:05 hehehe Jun 06 07:09:21 though initially it is made with lots of pain Jun 06 07:09:25 and with huge ego, in case of meego ;-) Jun 06 07:09:58 anyway better than moblin Jun 06 07:11:01 lol, http://www.moblin.com/ still exists Jun 06 07:14:06 >> Brands Years of mobile marketing & advertising skills with technology, Moblin works with international brands all over the globe as their mobile division for execute brief to positive ROI.<< -- makes me puke, from emphasis on ROI and advertising Jun 06 08:13:48 DocScrutinizer05: Sorry I got out because of a network problem :) Jun 06 08:15:05 Thanks Jun 06 08:15:36 I've tried using dd on SDCard , but "run sdcard" does not work, failed Jun 06 08:47:45 hmm, no idea really. I'm pretty sure though maemo-leste has a howto Jun 06 08:48:19 if not, demand one ;-) Jun 06 08:51:02 just to clarify - you download the img.xz , you decompress it, and you dd the img file to the sd card (with no seek= and such), that's it. when bootmenu is installed, it will boot when you type 'run sdboot' Jun 06 08:53:39 note that you can decompress as you write: xz -c foo.xz | dd of=/dev/sdXY Jun 06 08:54:05 (the `dd` there is actually kind of pointless; can just write directly: xz -c /dev/sdXY Jun 06 08:54:11 er, meant -dc in both cases Jun 06 08:54:22 ( Jun 06 08:54:25 )) Jun 06 09:11:35 hah, if I had to bet, I'd put my 2 cent on vahe frogot to decrompress Jun 06 09:12:37 wait, dd to raw device or to a partition? Jun 06 09:12:56 I just installed the Maemo-Leste OS, it was great :) Jun 06 09:13:24 it was simple. d if=maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img of=/dev/mmcblk0 :D Jun 06 09:15:25 mhm, so raw device Jun 06 09:19:56 in my experience that at least has a certain problem with partition size of the new partitioning you send to the MMC. The new partition(s) must be < total-avail-size of MMC, and any excess blocks on MMC are not available first hand, you'd need to create a further partition (using tools like cfdisk or the like) to use that rest Jun 06 09:20:50 or resize the last existing partition Jun 06 09:22:37 worst case is partitionsize > MMCsize, where dd will abort with error but that might go unnoticed, and later on the MMC is actually mount-able but will eventually fail epically when system tries to use nonexistent blocks Jun 06 09:41:00 There shouldn't be any issue with imagesize < mmcsize Jun 06 09:41:28 unless you're using something like gpt, where the partition table is meant to be at the beginning and the end. Jun 06 09:42:11 if you're just using msdos/mbr, you'll just have a bunch of space not currently assigned to a partition. Jun 06 09:42:47 (I'm guessing the maemo-leste will just be msdos/mbr Jun 06 09:42:56 ) Jun 06 11:16:01 I thought a fair bit of Maemo was hardcoded in the partitioning dept? Jun 06 11:19:46 There's not much that restricts the size of partitions .. that's just decided at flasher time or later. Jun 06 11:20:26 but maemo-leste should already be using non-maemo partition identifiers, since it's meant to be running off SD rather than eMMC. Jun 06 11:21:21 iirc for me to change the partitioning requirements, I modified /sbin/preinit and /etc/fstab, and changed some init script to avoid rewriting /etc/fstab on boot. Jun 06 11:22:06 (since I just have maemo, /home, /home/user/MyDocs and /opt on one ext4 partition) Jun 06 11:27:36 and a debian root there too. Jun 06 12:38:54 I think I have solved the OpenSSL problems. Still getting all sorts of test failures in Scratchbox armel but all the tests so far are passing on my N900 itself. Assuming that continues to happen, I will disable the tests in the build process and move on. Jun 06 12:40:49 Bearing in mind that Scratchbox is a, shall we say, rather unique build system (for most normal distros they are either compiling it on an ARM system directly or they are cross-compiling it with all the tests that run on the build system being compiled with the host toolchain and run that way) Jun 06 12:50:51 sixwheeledbeast^: well, not on uSD Jun 06 13:00:55 DocScrutinizer05: The “file” program is not part of Linux. file is cross-platform. I often use file on Cygwin. Jun 06 13:01:54 Maxdamantus: I wasn't thinking sizes more location and type Jun 06 13:02:34 Resizing has been a common thing for a while. Jun 06 13:04:16 brolin_empey: huh? Jun 06 13:04:47 brolin_empey: seems you are making up a problem Jun 06 13:08:03 DocScrutinizer05: I was replying to: Jun 06 13:08:03 you *might* want to run "file maemo-leste-1.0-armhf-n900-20180424.img" and see what linux thinks the filetype was Jun 06 13:08:03 file != Linux. Jun 06 13:08:56 brolin_empey: I for sure won't write "...and see what ${developer_of_the_file_program_on_whatever_platform_you_use} thinks the filetype was" when I know the adressee is using linux Jun 06 13:19:24 but sorry when my statement sounded like linux was thinking, actually we all know that a computer can't think Jun 06 13:20:24 no illegal product placement intended either Jun 06 13:21:36 and a particular excuse goes to Mr RMS for me not using the correct term "GNU/Linux" Jun 06 13:24:45 though actually file seems (C) BSD, and Ian F. Darwin, Toronto, Canada, 1986-1999 Jun 06 13:30:54 sixwheeledbeast^: yup, seems like running a parted resize or somesuch command after dd of=/dev/mmcX would be in order Jun 06 13:31:25 rms now uses the term “GNU+Linux”. Jun 06 13:31:54 I'll diligently ignore that Jun 06 13:32:13 -_- Jun 06 13:34:12 RMS also still thinks there was any benefit in blocking flash rewrite of subsystems from APE, when actually the subsystem could receive OTA flash updates Jun 06 13:35:33 but suuuure, as long as *user* has no means to reflash a subsystem, FSF may consider the subsystem to be a blackbox that has no software on it Jun 06 13:36:53 I recall Pali? doing work on boot process to make it more flexible. Jun 06 13:37:03 to be emperor of your territory you should first define and know damn precisely where the limits of such territory are Jun 06 13:38:51 a "this is not my kingdom anymore, since: see my people can't travel to there" is a pretty poor idea Jun 06 13:39:55 user freedom by locking in users to the land of freedom Jun 06 13:40:21 lol Jun 06 14:09:31 Getting close to having some OpenSSL 1.1.0h packages to test on my phone. Jun 06 14:09:45 Just sorting out some problems with the packaging process now :) Jun 06 15:19:23 OpenSSL now works on my N900 Jun 06 15:19:27 At least so far anyway Jun 06 15:19:51 I can run the usual command to validate the certificate chain for a server and it does the right thing. Jun 06 15:20:02 And finds the right root CA Jun 06 15:37:19 So its all good and I can move on to QT and Fahrplan :) Jun 06 15:37:43 do some more tests and put that new openssl to repos? Jun 06 15:38:11 naming would be interesting of the package, since it's incompatible with old one Jun 06 15:38:19 I ran all the needed tests (the openssl test suite passes completly when run on my phone and the commands I tried all work) and I pushed it to cssu-devel repo Jun 06 15:38:32 Yes its incompatible with the old one but both can live side by side easily Jun 06 15:38:57 but app that would rely on openssl require specific major version Jun 06 15:41:21 I currently have libssl0.9.8 version 0.9.8zh-1+maemo1+0m5+0cssu0 installed as well as libssl1.1 version 1.1.0h-4 installed. Jun 06 15:42:50 binaries linked against the old version all contain libssl.so.0.9.8 and/or libcrypto.so.0.9.8 in their list of libraries and will load the old one Jun 06 15:43:25 binaries linked against the new version contain libssl.so.1.1 and/or libcrypto.1.1 in their list of libraries and will load the new one Jun 06 15:43:28 So no existing packages break Jun 06 15:43:43 I also have openssl version 1.1.0h-4 installed Jun 06 15:45:32 So there is no need to change any existing package, they will all keep working exactly as-is. Jun 06 15:46:06 And then you can recompile new packages with the new libssl-dev package and get something that links against the new 1.1 libssl/libcrypto Jun 06 15:46:49 I have taken all the right steps to ensure nothing breaks. Jun 06 15:48:51 I suppose the -dev packages would still conflict though Jun 06 15:48:55 Yes Jun 06 15:49:37 If you are really doing something where you need to build things for 0.9.8 AND 1.1, you can keep both dev packages .deb files handy and install the right one with dpkg -i anytime Jun 06 15:49:47 yeah Jun 06 18:07:03 hi I have an n900 here Jun 06 18:07:16 we all do. Jun 06 18:07:26 that was a preamble to my question Jun 06 18:07:41 how many ways can this thing stream over FM? Jun 06 18:07:53 'ways'? Jun 06 18:08:10 you just turn on fm transmitter and just play audio via normal system Jun 06 18:08:17 like I can put the music onto the device. or an SD card. then play it, but can I stream from an input? if I have a splitter for headphones/mic Jun 06 18:08:30 so I can plug a sound source into it, can it stream that? Jun 06 18:08:45 if you have an app that records from mic then plays on normal audio, it will do Jun 06 18:09:03 is there such an app and will I have to attenuate the crap out of the signal Jun 06 18:09:34 or can it be controlled via software somehow to attenuate the input to "line level" Jun 06 18:09:38 you can try playing with gstreamer Jun 06 18:09:46 in terminal Jun 06 18:10:25 playing what exactly Jun 06 18:10:32 I don't know gstreamer commands Jun 06 18:10:37 me neither Jun 06 18:11:04 can I plug a line level source into the microphone? will it distort like hell? Jun 06 18:11:14 how do I even make that come out the speakers Jun 06 18:11:21 there is no line in jack in n900 Jun 06 18:11:29 there's a microphone jack though Jun 06 18:11:39 oh, right Jun 06 18:11:40 it's a 4 pole 3.5mm socket Jun 06 18:11:53 forgot about headset way Jun 06 18:12:25 I have a little Y splitter Jun 06 18:12:33 it should distort like hell. try it though Jun 06 18:12:43 can software bring the level down enough to make it listenable Jun 06 18:12:52 or do I have to figure out how to physically attenuate it Jun 06 18:13:13 I already did that with a nintendo so I could probably repeat that exact little box Jun 06 18:14:51 how would I send that over fm though Jun 06 18:15:01 told you, just play it Jun 06 18:15:05 >>move on to QT and Fahrplan<< \o/ Jun 06 18:15:08 play what? Jun 06 18:15:14 whatever you record from mic Jun 06 18:15:33 if fm transmitter is active it routes all audio there Jun 06 18:15:42 mic too? Jun 06 18:16:01 sweet. I'll test this Jun 06 18:16:07 if you record->play,yes Jun 06 18:16:43 no I don't want to record then play Jun 06 18:16:52 I want to just transmit what's going into the headset Jun 06 18:17:05 no other way unless you know pulseaudio and willing to risk fuck up the profile Jun 06 18:17:23 you arent listening what i'm saying Jun 06 18:17:26 recording it is less useful than just putting the files onto the device Jun 06 18:17:45 mic isnt routed anywhere unless there is an app that records Jun 06 18:17:55 then 1/ you have to record it Jun 06 18:18:04 as a wav or something Jun 06 18:18:06 fm transmitter sends all played audio Jun 06 18:18:23 which means: 2/ you have to 'play' what you've just recorded from mic Jun 06 18:18:48 recorded as a sound file Jun 06 18:18:52 note: if you have fm transmitter active internal speakers/headset out is disabled Jun 06 18:19:31 my question is how do I enable the mic, and stream that, in realtime Jun 06 18:20:03 handturkey: I'm a 40 lines late on backscroll, but you can't attenuate mic-in to line-in level in device. Also note mic is mono Jun 06 18:20:15 just as i've said. you have 2 options: 1/ what i've said above (record->play), 2/ learn how to hack pulseaudio to do what you need Jun 06 18:20:29 yeah the mic is mono Jun 06 18:20:34 that's ok Jun 06 18:20:48 ok thanks for your input Jun 06 18:21:11 hack seems like an ugly word for "configure" Jun 06 18:21:16 if you share more details about your particular usecase, we prolly can five better advice Jun 06 18:21:34 no, hack as in break whatever nokia configured Jun 06 18:21:41 my media player -> mic streamed REALTIME over FM Jun 06 18:22:06 phhh Jun 06 18:22:14 arecord|aüöay Jun 06 18:22:27 arecord|aplay even Jun 06 18:22:32 ghetto radio station, har har Jun 06 18:22:37 yes Jun 06 18:22:43 pocket ghetto radio station Jun 06 18:22:56 maybe i should add such option to oscp Jun 06 18:23:01 might be fun Jun 06 18:23:07 maybe you should! Jun 06 18:23:10 -maybe Jun 06 18:23:27 fun with a FM transmitter that barely has a range of 5m? Jun 06 18:23:27 what is oscp? Jun 06 18:23:34 shouting would be smarter Jun 06 18:23:34 ~oscp Jun 06 18:23:34 well, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 Jun 06 18:23:47 DocScrutinizer05: fm waves go through walls Jun 06 18:23:50 DocScrutinizer05, FLAC player Jun 06 18:23:58 and I've streamed it through steel in a car Jun 06 18:24:12 several layers of steel AND the shielding of the antenna Jun 06 18:24:34 this little thing has been dormant the last couple of years though Jun 06 18:24:43 but now I want to use it again. Jun 06 18:25:16 it's no weight at all for a rucksack Jun 06 18:25:40 btw. gstreamer has an option to mix multiple sources Jun 06 18:25:54 but again, i know next to nothing about syntax, it's as bad as perl Jun 06 18:26:15 http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?t=93495 Jun 06 18:26:16 I don't know anything about gstreamer either Jun 06 18:26:33 some thread about transmitting mic Jun 06 18:27:42 qmegaphone, radiostation Jun 06 18:27:48 are these things still in the repos? Jun 06 18:27:53 you might also tray in terminal: Jun 06 18:27:59 apt-get install gstreamer-tools Jun 06 18:28:02 then: gst-launch pulsesrc ! pulsesink Jun 06 18:29:01 or: pacat -r | pacat -p Jun 06 18:41:59 wtf? do we need IP addr now instead URL? Jun 06 18:42:44 maybe useful to answer a few of the recent questions: Jun 06 18:42:47 ~pkg Jun 06 18:42:48 rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Jun 06 18:43:13 DocScrutinizer05: nah, for some reason it was google result Jun 06 18:43:38 and im too lazy to edit Jun 06 18:43:54 yeah and posting it in here will give it bonus points on google so next time it shows up on a higher rank Jun 06 18:44:06 :-P Jun 06 18:45:33 it was already much higher Jun 06 18:45:35 :P Jun 06 18:45:53 maybe server should do force redirect for google's ua Jun 06 18:46:13 sidenote: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PMw74Rjw7J Jun 06 18:46:36 funny sound effect Jun 06 18:48:07 I just feel like rebooting now, since I'm not convinced damn PolypAudio did disable the mic and amp again on ^C of this little joke Jun 06 18:49:21 newer versions of ALSA also have a loopback(?) plugin, but I'm pretty sure the maemo version of ALSA doesn't Jun 06 18:50:31 anyway you prolly can tune arecord|aplay quite a bit by providing buffer size and sampling rate parameters Jun 06 18:51:09 and yes, gstreamer should work too Jun 06 18:52:56 http://maemo.org/packages/view/qmegaphone/ Jun 06 18:55:18 gstreamer wpuld be preferred in his case because it could mix more sources (he wants mic + music) Jun 06 18:57:28 I guess the audio system would mix already Jun 06 18:57:50 maybe Jun 06 19:00:40 well, PukeAudio got invented to "(bla bla... ) fix the broken dmix ALSA plugin". Now ALSA dmix plugin also never was broken when configured correctly, and on top of this you got PA to offer another mixer Jun 06 19:02:41 I think I actually tested with a 3 or 4 concurrent aplay or playsound commands Jun 06 19:04:17 much more interesting would be a BT/internet based intercom between 2 devices Jun 06 19:58:01 Is it truly necessary for Linux to have a Linux-specific sound system (“Advanced Linux Sound Architecture”) instead of using some cross-platform, at least cross-*nix, sound system, such as (the) OSS? After all, GNU+Linux uses the Common Unix Printing System, not the Advanced Linux Printing System/Architecture. Jun 06 19:59:43 sure, if oss didnt go full commercial in history Jun 06 20:02:04 oss was nice to provide free sound driver in the past, but then again, it was commercial venture Jun 06 20:03:04 Is PulseAudio used on a non-Linux-based platform? Jun 06 20:03:47 evilaudio is evil Jun 06 20:06:20 anything coming out of poettiring computer is broken by design Jun 06 20:06:30 *poettering Jun 06 21:33:07 PukeAudio is poettering Jun 06 21:33:19 ~poettering Jun 06 21:33:19 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal Jun 06 21:34:18 also Mr L. Poettering has a record to opt out of portability, even when he needs to invest a few more days into coding to achive killing portability for good Jun 07 02:13:27 hmmm, getting newer OpenSSL to work on Maemo QT isn't as easy as I thought. There is a Debian patch for QT4 but that's for 4.8.7, we only have 4.7.4 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 07 03:00:04 2018