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Jul 24 03:52:05 * brolin_empey bought a 28-inch 4k UHD video monitor for use at home, am using it to write this message.
Jul 24 04:23:25 <sunshavi> brolin_empey: model 4 looking on the net
Jul 24 04:37:53 <brolin_empey> sunshavi: It is a Samsung LU28E590DS/ZA.
Jul 24 10:16:58 <sicelo> i don't use 2-factor authentication for any of my accounts :-/
Jul 24 10:18:25 <sicelo> but i want to. however i do not want to use SMS. i only have an N900.
Jul 24 10:19:44 <sicelo> any ideas on solutions/applications/etc.
Jul 24 10:22:54 <bencoh> sicelo: what are you talking about?
Jul 24 10:23:11 <bencoh> (I'd guess gmail, but ...?)
Jul 24 10:26:43 <sicelo> yes.  seemingly some of the support authenticator apps instead of sms
Jul 24 10:27:13 <bencoh> I use gmail with mutt, you can add a password per application
Jul 24 10:27:29 <bencoh> and use it exclusively with the specified application
Jul 24 10:34:11 <sicelo> thanks bencoh. i will try that for gmail. will check if something similar is available for the others (facebook, github, twitter, etc.)
Jul 24 10:48:55 <Maxdamantus> If by "authenticator" you mean the time-based OTP authentication used by "Google authenticator", I just run a Java implementation of that on my computer.
Jul 24 10:49:11 <Maxdamantus> that will surely also run fine on N900.
Jul 24 10:51:13 <Maxdamantus> http://blog.jcuff.net/2011/02/cli-java-based-google-authenticator.html
Jul 24 10:52:04 <Maxdamantus> Yeah, it seems to just be a Main class for use with the code Google uses in their Android application.
Jul 24 10:59:21 <sicelo> nice.
Jul 24 10:59:43 <sicelo> i had been looking at oath-toolkit. no idea if that would do
Jul 24 11:00:10 <Maxdamantus> oauth*? That's quite a bit different to authenticator.
Jul 24 11:00:44 <Maxdamantus> though maybe some systems let you pick and choose which authentication mechanisms can be used, dunno.
Jul 24 11:01:40 <sicelo>  https://github.com/malept/oath-toolkit
Jul 24 11:01:45 <Maxdamantus> I've been wanting to use OAuth (and hence SMS 2FA) for mutt/gmail, but haven't got round to looking enough into it.
Jul 24 11:02:00 <Maxdamantus> afaik, I'd probably have to just hack mutt.
Jul 24 11:02:24 <Maxdamantus> Oh, okay, not OAuth then.
Jul 24 11:22:18 <sicelo> bencoh: per app password seem to need my phone number after all. or i am missing something?
Jul 24 11:23:17 <Maxdamantus> sicelo: are you sure it's not just to get the password the first time?
Jul 24 11:24:25 <sicelo> i guess yes, that. had been wishing/hoping for something to not use phone number ever :)
Jul 24 11:24:33 <sicelo> but yeah, does look like i am dreaming
Jul 24 11:31:20 <bencoh> sicelo: err, could be, yeah
Jul 24 11:31:41 <bencoh> but that's just to register iirc
Jul 24 11:38:21 <sicelo> looks like oath-toolkit is also the right tool for 2FA needs. wonder if it will compile for n900
Jul 24 22:42:25 <sicelo> back to my earlier questions about 2FA, looks like there already is an OTP tool for N900
Jul 24 22:42:29 <sicelo> http://maemo.org/packages/view/otp/
Jul 24 22:42:47 <sicelo> no idea how well it works (or how secure it is)
Jul 24 22:53:26 <buZz> TOTP i assume?
Jul 24 22:53:44 <buZz> ah yes
Jul 24 22:54:10 <buZz> there is oathtool aswell, at least in debian
Jul 24 22:54:36 <buZz> RFC 6238 TOTP is what 'google authenticator' uses
Jul 24 22:54:56 <buZz> you can just copy the seeds out of it , feed them to oathtool and get a key to use on websites for 2FA
Jul 24 22:55:26 <sicelo> yes, i have seen oathtool, and one of the days i should try compile it for maemo through sb
Jul 24 22:55:51 <sicelo> i don't have google authenticator anywhere.
Jul 24 22:55:52 <buZz>  > oathtool --totp -b $CODEYOUGOTFROMTHEWEBSITE
Jul 24 22:56:19 <buZz> it gives you a QR code to scan usually, the code from that is what you'd use to make a new key each time
Jul 24 22:56:28 <sicelo> and 'top' n900 doesn't seem to be working. well ... at least facebook says codes are invalid
Jul 24 22:56:51 <buZz> maybe you need to set it to TOTP instead of HOTP?
Jul 24 22:57:08 <buZz> its not default on oathtool either
Jul 24 22:58:02 <sicelo> it only allows switching between HOTP & MOTP, and with HOTP, you can switch between 'time-based' (which i assume is TOTP) and 'event-based'
Jul 24 22:59:20 <buZz> weird, if you have a debian box available somewhere you can test oathtool there
Jul 24 22:59:34 <buZz> apt install oathtool 
Jul 24 22:59:35 <buZz> :)
Jul 24 23:00:02 <sicelo> yes, left my laptop at work. already installed oathtool on it .. just need to put it to use
Jul 24 23:00:22 <sicelo> i hope it will build nicely for maemo as well
Jul 24 23:00:35 <buZz> quite sure, i doubt it has much dependancies
Jul 24 23:01:34 <sicelo> maybe i should already look in older debian repos .. a few packages work ok from there on maemo
Jul 24 23:25:54 <Oksanaa> >> <Maxdamantus> Optimally, all RAM should be used, for cache if nothing else. << With Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit, if Task Manager shows high RAM usage (like, 13GB out of 16GB), it means "ultra-slow computer, restart some of those programs". But then, this slowness may also coincide with high (like,
Jul 24 23:26:51 <Oksanaa> 1725914275) "Page Faults" (whatever they are) for processes.
Jul 24 23:28:54 <sicelo> (oathtool - at least all the ones on debian repos need higher libc6 than maemos ..)
Jul 25 00:02:19 <Maxdamantus> Assuming "page faults" means "major page fault", that means you're copying things in and out of swap, which gets bad when you've run out of non-freeable RAM.
Jul 25 00:03:04 <Maxdamantus> I suspect Windows probably doesn't include disk cache in its "used memory" count, but theoretically, that extra memory should still be used.
Jul 25 01:20:40 <Oksanaa> Maxdamantus : Is it possible to have 0 "major page faults"?
Jul 25 01:53:44 <Maxdamantus> Oksanaa: sure, if there's no swap.
Jul 25 01:54:28 <Maxdamantus> and maybe no disk; not sure if memory mapped files' page faults are considered major.
Jul 25 01:54:52 <Maxdamantus> (swap/pagefile)
Jul 25 02:45:05 <Oksanaa> Why do things copied in and out of RAM get bad when computer runs out of non-free-able RAM?
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