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Jul 25 03:32:16 <buZz> 1 GB of ram has 1 byte error per year , i think?
Jul 25 03:32:20 <buZz> older ram probably more often
Jul 25 03:50:24 <Maxdamantus> Oksanaa: I mean that when you run out of non-freeable RAM, the copying in and out is extreme (bad).
Jul 25 03:51:16 <Maxdamantus> That is, it shouldn't happen if you have plenty of freeable RAM.
Jul 25 04:51:51 <Oksanaa> So, if Windows shows "almost all RAM is used", it means "you are running out of non-freeable RAM"?
Jul 25 04:52:43 <Oksanaa> As in, SeaMonkey and Firefox and K-Meleon and SumatraPDF and Office and IceChat are all using lots of non-freeable RAM?
Jul 25 05:08:16 <brolin_empey> Oksanaa: Main memory (primary storage) is a subset of the total RAM in a computer.  Peripherals such as a GPU may have gibibytes of RAM that is not part of main memory.  “RAM” is common usage, though, whereas “main memory” and “primary storage” are formal technical terms, like “headphone jack” versus “analog audio connector”.
Jul 25 05:15:28 <Maxdamantus> I don't know how Windows works.
Jul 25 05:16:00 <Maxdamantus> but in something like `free` on Linux, it shows you RAM used, and RAM used excluding caches.
Jul 25 05:20:29 <Oksanaa> Nice
Jul 25 05:21:54 <brolin_empey> Is one who sums a summer?
Jul 25 05:53:42 <sicelo> :p
Jul 25 05:54:23 <brolin_empey> Is one who springs a springer?
Jul 25 06:10:39 <brolin_empey> Are salesmen in a store selling Commodore computers in the 1970s PET Shop Boys?
Jul 25 06:16:09 <brolin_empey> I have a 4k UHD display and a 5.25-inch flexible disc drive connected to the same computer.
Jul 25 06:31:01 <sicelo> (oathtool works very well [on pc])
Jul 25 06:45:02 <Kclamer> Hello
Jul 25 06:47:30 <brolin_empey> Kclamer: Hello.
Jul 25 06:49:36 <Kclamer> Found my n900 yesterday, charged it, fired it up and it had an SSU update ready.
Jul 25 06:49:53 <Kclamer> Can't believe it's still supported!
Jul 25 06:50:42 <KotCzarny> sure, and more goodies are in the works
Jul 25 06:53:20 <Kclamer> All the people that keep this up are awesome. The N900 is my favorite phone even after a decade. Still take it out and play some emulators on it. 
Jul 25 06:54:42 <Kclamer> KotCzarny is that like Black Cat?
Jul 25 06:54:53 <KotCzarny> no, catblack
Jul 25 06:55:21 <Kclamer> Haha, same thing. 
Jul 25 06:55:30 <KotCzarny> not at all
Jul 25 06:55:50 <KotCzarny> you dont drink colacoca
Jul 25 06:58:12 <brolin_empey> Well, “black cat” and “gato negro” are the same.
Jul 25 06:59:03 <brolin_empey> Or “chat noir” (correct French translation?).
Jul 25 07:02:29 <Kclamer> I don't think most people would have been able to guess the translation anyway
Jul 25 07:03:02 <Kclamer> It's probably Polish
Jul 25 07:04:04 <brolin_empey> Kclamer: Yes, KotCzarny lives in the land of Perl scripts. ;-)
Jul 25 07:04:39 * brolin_empey lives in the land of calcium.
Jul 25 07:04:55 <Kclamer> Do any of you guys actively develop for Fremantle?
Jul 25 07:05:07 <KotCzarny> yes
Jul 25 07:05:30 <Kclamer> What are you working on?
Jul 25 07:05:38 <KotCzarny> ~oscp
Jul 25 07:05:38 <infobot> hmm... oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Jul 25 07:07:30 <Kclamer> That looks awesome, I remember playing with vlc for streaming my own music from my computer to the N900
Jul 25 07:07:54 <KotCzarny> there is also mpd for n900
Jul 25 07:09:48 <Kclamer> Now I just open Soma radio and let it go
Jul 25 07:37:08 <Juesto> hello
Jul 25 07:37:25 <Juesto> so I've been able to update the maemo sdk vm
Jul 25 07:38:01 <Juesto> i think maemo users here do use the lenny archives?
Jul 25 08:03:15 <Juesto> Should i dist-upgrade scratchbox???
Jul 25 08:03:24 <Juesto> i mean development stuff inside it
Jul 25 08:03:34 <KotCzarny> if you are sucker for punishment, go for it
Jul 25 08:07:48 <Juesto> ..?
Jul 25 08:08:42 <KotCzarny> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glutton/sucker%20for%20punishment
Jul 25 08:09:05 <Juesto>  yeah it's not like I don't understand but... 
Jul 25 08:09:54 <Juesto> didn't really liked that reply and gives no further elaboration
Jul 25 08:20:36 <Juesto> welp
Jul 25 08:20:59 <Juesto> quite of a huge issue I've got with Bora scratchbox sdk
Jul 25 08:21:01 <Juesto> :s
Jul 25 08:25:49 <Juesto> ok, installing diablo's maemo-explicit should give me the propertary bits, completing the experience hopefully 
Jul 25 08:31:43 <sicelo> what are you doing with bora? got an N8x0?
Jul 25 08:31:53 <KotCzarny> n8x0 uses diablo
Jul 25 08:32:03 <KotCzarny> bora is for 770 afair
Jul 25 08:32:49 <sicelo> even worse then :p
Jul 25 09:38:57 <Juesto> I'm with the sdk :D
Jul 25 09:39:13 <Juesto> zero nokia devices
Jul 25 09:39:23 <Juesto> and bora is broken -_-
Jul 25 09:41:58 <Juesto> sicelo: scratchbox stuff
Jul 25 09:46:57 * sparre has a spare N900. - Unfortunately with a loose micro-USB power connector.
Jul 25 09:48:15 * sparre has to learn how to solder modern electronics.
Jul 25 09:48:51 * sparre hasn't done any serious soldering since he worked on a nuclear reactor.
Jul 25 09:49:10 <sparre> (~25 years ago)
Jul 25 09:49:12 <KotCzarny> i assume soldering in nuclear reactor is easier than dabbling with smd
Jul 25 09:49:23 <sparre> Much easier.
Jul 25 09:49:38 <inz> Can you hook up your N900 with a micro-reactor
Jul 25 09:49:46 <inz> no need to fix the connector
Jul 25 09:49:58 <sparre> Good spacing between the connections on the boards.
Jul 25 09:50:07 <KotCzarny> inz: sure, you can, but it needs separate cart for being mobile
Jul 25 09:50:22 <sparre> :-)
Jul 25 09:50:39 <KotCzarny> might be whole wagon
Jul 25 10:02:12 <sixwheeledbeast> ~usbfix
Jul 25 10:02:12 <infobot> from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt, or to avoid breakage, see ~usb-unplug
Jul 25 10:28:08 <sparre> sixwheeledbeast: Thanks.
Jul 25 10:28:14 <sixwheeledbeast> np
Jul 25 12:25:18 * jonwil is annoyed because he lost the stylus for his N900 :(
Jul 25 12:29:37 <bencoh> :(
Jul 25 12:29:54 <bencoh> can you order a replacement?
Jul 25 12:32:06 <jonwil> Posted on tmo, someone there might know what I can get as a replacement without the big costs of buying a new Nokia one (shipping to Oz isn't cheap)
Jul 25 12:37:06 <Vajb> jonwil: buy from ebay. I got five for 3 dollars
Jul 25 12:37:15 <KotCzarny> vajb: add shipping to australia
Jul 25 12:37:31 <Vajb> freeshipping ;)
Jul 25 12:37:39 <jonwil> After previous bad experiences I refuse to touch eBay...
Jul 25 12:37:45 <KotCzarny> to eu maybe, but .au..
Jul 25 12:37:50 <KotCzarny> that is the land down under
Jul 25 12:38:12 <KotCzarny> vajb: and if you have 5, just check the shipping to .au and send 2 to jonwil
Jul 25 12:38:12 <Vajb> well from where I look at it seems that china is closer
Jul 25 12:38:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 25 12:38:24 <Vajb> to australia
Jul 25 12:38:52 <KotCzarny> when it comes to shipping costs it's usually not the distance but bulk size
Jul 25 12:39:31 <Vajb> makes me wonder how is selling the cables good business
Jul 25 12:39:47 <KotCzarny> bulk and returning customers?
Jul 25 12:40:07 <Vajb> like, I bought few usb cables 0,35$ with free shipping
Jul 25 12:40:32 <Vajb> might be bulk
Jul 25 12:41:44 <KotCzarny> anyway, try sending 1-2 styluses to jonwil
Jul 25 12:41:47 <Vajb> jonwil: maygbe buy something which has sturdy plastic around and carve your own stylus :p
Jul 25 12:42:02 <KotCzarny> it will be good investment in your n900 future
Jul 25 12:42:46 <Vajb> probably it would take 10-20$ I think
Jul 25 12:43:20 <KotCzarny> check regular letter options
Jul 25 12:43:31 <KotCzarny> will be closer to 3-5$
Jul 25 12:43:32 <trx> I've bought a complete housing few years ago, it included a stylus.
Jul 25 12:43:46 <trx> And now i have spare parts too.
Jul 25 12:43:57 <trx> (I have lost my original stylus)
Jul 25 12:45:42 <KotCzarny> for me regular letter (<50g) to .au is ~1.5usd
Jul 25 12:47:10 <KotCzarny> which is the same as to any other country. rates ramp up when you choose to send the same thing as a package or require tracking/declare value
Jul 25 12:49:00 <bencoh> Vajb: don't you live in singapur?
Jul 25 12:49:25 <KotCzarny> bencoh: i though he lived in .fi
Jul 25 12:49:32 <bencoh> ah, could be
Jul 25 12:49:32 <KotCzarny> anyway, bbl
Jul 25 12:52:27 <Vajb> yeah .fi is my local
Jul 25 12:52:45 <Vajb> maybe it is my dialect :p
Jul 25 12:53:24 <Maxdamantus> Mikä ".fi" on?
Jul 25 12:53:50 <Vajb> I can ask for posting, but it'll be monday untill im home
Jul 25 12:54:11 <Vajb> Maxdamantus: strictly speaking .fi is just domain
Jul 25 12:54:17 <bencoh> Vajb: looks liked I mixed you with someone else :)
Jul 25 12:54:24 <Maxdamantus> Yeah, I know, just wanted to say something random in Finnish.
Jul 25 12:55:19 <Vajb> ei se mitään ymmärrän hyvin. Teen sitä itse kokoajan
Jul 25 12:57:50 <Maxdamantus> En ymmärrä paljon myös.
Jul 25 12:57:58 <Maxdamantus> I suspect you probably know Finnish much better than I do.
Jul 25 12:58:28 <Vajb> I am rather fluent
Jul 25 17:04:43 <Juesto> hello
Jul 25 23:51:13 <Voo> i wanna sell source code bot  scanner coded by me , by btc
Jul 26 00:13:18 <Voo> i wanna sell source code bot  scanner coded by me , by btc
Jul 26 00:35:18 <Voo> i wanna sell source code bot  scanner coded by me , by btc /j #ssd
Jul 26 00:37:26 <Maxdamantus> !ops
Jul 26 00:37:52 <buZz> Voo: this is not the place for it
Jul 26 00:37:59 <Voo> ok sorry
Jul 26 00:58:01 * Oksanaa agrees with trx, easier to find whole housing than just stylus, atm https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Black-Housing-faceplate-Cover-Facia-Fascia-for-nokia-N900-case-with-Stylus/392089080903 
Jul 26 01:05:55 * Oksanaa did 3D print Nokia N900 stylus, some time ago - fragile, but works, if I remember correctly. Just keep screen protector on N900.
Jul 26 01:15:53 <Oksanaa> This one, probably https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:21911 
Jul 26 01:22:59 <Oksanaa> +Sigyn is needed on #kicad
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