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Jul 26 06:14:30 <brolin_empey> I exchanged the Samsung UHD video monitor with TN panel for an LG UHD video monitor with IPS panel because TN panels suck.
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Jul 26 15:50:08 <KotCzarny> lol
Jul 26 15:50:15 <KotCzarny> poor wizzup
Jul 26 15:55:32 <bencoh> gnu
Jul 26 15:58:44 <xes> https://www.ebay.com/itm/PENNOKN900-N-Pennino-per-Nokia-N900-Black-Original-originale/142851339758?hash=item21429a75ee:g:X1wAAOSw~ztbOdLq
Jul 26 16:00:02 <KotCzarny> xes, seen the shipping?
Jul 26 16:00:16 <KotCzarny> they must be sending it on a pallet
Jul 26 16:03:35 <xes> KotCzarny: how much is it asking for shipping (on your browser)?
Jul 26 16:03:41 <KotCzarny> 30eur
Jul 26 16:03:46 <xes> :)
Jul 26 16:03:48 <KotCzarny> from .it to .pl
Jul 26 16:04:02 <KotCzarny> so kinda off hook bat shit crazy
Jul 26 16:04:10 <sixwheeledbeast> its italy shipping is expensive
Jul 26 16:04:14 <xes> they made some mistake :)
Jul 26 16:04:48 <KotCzarny> i can ship 1kg package to hongkong for 15eur
Jul 26 16:05:07 <KotCzarny> with insurance and delivery confirmation
Jul 26 16:05:49 <xes> please don't tell me what you are shipping to HK that weights 1KG 
Jul 26 16:06:02 <KotCzarny> broken ssd
Jul 26 16:06:03 <KotCzarny> :P
Jul 26 16:06:14 <KotCzarny> what you had on mind? 
Jul 26 16:07:59 <xes> i really can't imagine anything of that volume that you could write about
Jul 26 16:08:47 <KotCzarny> anyway, never buy noname ssd from aliexpress
Jul 26 16:08:55 <KotCzarny> it worked almost exactly 1 month
Jul 26 16:09:06 <KotCzarny> then just disappeared from the system
Jul 26 16:09:31 <KotCzarny> and i didnt even made it do any hard work
Jul 26 16:09:37 <xes> don't worry, early intel ssd behave almost the same way ;)
Jul 26 16:10:04 <KotCzarny> just filled it over 90%, then some garbage collection run started to get hairy, then after one freeze it just disappeared
Jul 26 16:10:06 <xes> after some time they swith to ZERO size "mode"
Jul 26 16:10:20 <KotCzarny> nah, it doesnt even show as a device
Jul 26 16:10:33 <DocScrutinizer05> bathtub steep way down to sink
Jul 26 16:10:37 <KotCzarny> unless you know some trick to do low level reset
Jul 26 16:11:07 <xes> check if there is PWM voltage adapter on board..
Jul 26 16:11:30 <KotCzarny> i dont want to open it, going to ship it back to get either replacement or refund
Jul 26 16:11:48 <KotCzarny> but tell me more in case i have similar situatio in the future
Jul 26 16:13:14 <xes> ssd power management is a mess and could produce high temperatures of power regulators (expecially if very cheap)
Jul 26 16:14:21 <xes> or if you use msata with sata adapters, sata adapters usually have crap voltage regulators 5V -> 3.3V that burn very easily
Jul 26 16:15:09 <xes> loosing great power since they are not pwm
Jul 26 16:15:49 <xes> so, i would never buy a cheap ssd from aliexpress
Jul 26 16:16:04 <KotCzarny> in this case it looked more like buggy firmware issue tho
Jul 26 16:17:36 <xes> i would suggest you to follow linux-ide vger mailing list to check how many patches/exceptions/white lists/black lists they add to adjust ssd power management of specific brand/models 
Jul 26 16:18:16 <xes> ..and i never read about aliexpress nobrand ssd fixes
Jul 26 16:18:23 <KotCzarny> i suspect, still, that wouldnt explain total drive disappearance (tried direct in dock and via usb adapter)
Jul 26 16:19:51 <xes> if ssd never switches to low power modes, temperature can become very high ..producing "surprises" 
Jul 26 16:20:03 <KotCzarny> ho hum
Jul 26 16:20:13 <KotCzarny> heat related death is plausible
Jul 26 16:20:32 <KotCzarny> especially that nonames usually have faked smart and no thermal probe
Jul 26 16:21:04 <xes> I would choose a refund..
Jul 26 16:21:11 <KotCzarny> although samsung 830 doesnt have thermal probe neither
Jul 26 16:21:46 <xes> and 850/860 and also crucial receive one patch a week
Jul 26 16:24:35 <KotCzarny> still, that 830 works for a few years in the same laptop
Jul 26 16:24:46 <KotCzarny> which says something about quality
Jul 26 16:24:52 <xes> https://marc.info/?l=linux-ide&m=152147370917269&w=2
Jul 26 16:27:03 <KotCzarny> is that list searchable?
Jul 26 16:27:03 <xes> https://marc.info/?l=linux-ide&m=152631196600752&w=2
Jul 26 16:27:08 <xes> can you feel the taste of the breeze?
Jul 26 16:27:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 26 16:28:25 <xes> my mechanical drive has also 2 advanced features that with specific sounds notifies me about his status :D
Jul 26 16:28:40 <KotCzarny> hehehe
Jul 26 16:29:12 <xes> zzzzzz/silence... trik trak/silence..
Jul 26 16:29:12 <KotCzarny> grind noise and mad termite attack noise?
Jul 26 16:29:15 <xes> he he ;)
Jul 26 16:29:25 <xes> but, still running
Jul 26 16:29:46 <KotCzarny> some drives also did bell like sounds when head was flying too far ;)
Jul 26 16:30:29 <xes> yep!.. it's been years since last time i heard that!
Jul 26 16:32:07 <KotCzarny> 4.15.0-rc2+
Jul 26 16:32:08 <KotCzarny> hrm
Jul 26 16:32:15 <KotCzarny> i should also update the kernel in that laptop
Jul 26 16:32:43 <xes> anyway, mixed technology drives were strange but in the deep there was a good idea
Jul 26 16:33:31 <KotCzarny> not necessarily, they probably suffer from both techs bugs
Jul 26 16:36:30 <xes> it's hard to say i don't have sufficient failure/success numbers but have a laptop with only 1 ssd... is a pain. Only 1 hdd, is a bit slow  
Jul 26 16:37:10 <KotCzarny> optical bay adapter for 2nd hdd?
Jul 26 16:37:31 <xes> then if there is one..
Jul 26 16:37:58 <KotCzarny> yeah, i've learned today that lenove is still killing thinkpads quality
Jul 26 16:38:07 <KotCzarny> only t430 has ultrabay
Jul 26 16:38:23 <KotCzarny> otherwise last ones were t500/t400
Jul 26 16:40:14 <xes> mine T410 is still a reference but the x220 is always on 
Jul 26 16:40:56 <KotCzarny> you can go ghetto-drive-with-velcro-on-the-back-of-lcd-with-usb-adapter way
Jul 26 16:41:36 <xes> or msata+hdd ;) ...now i have to run. bbl
Jul 26 16:41:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Jul 26 19:55:57 <sicelo> re: https://maemo.org/packages/view/otp/ 
Jul 26 19:56:36 <sicelo> this actually works fine for HOTP/TOTP ... only trick is to change the key from Base32 to Hex
Jul 26 19:56:52 <sicelo> https://github.com/jwhitbeck/otpn900/issues/1
Jul 26 21:48:16 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: s/lcd/display/ because at least one ThinkPad model has an LED display instead of an LCD?
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