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Aug 07 12:22:49 <sobukus> Anyone got experience getting USB audio working on a N800 with OS2008?
Aug 07 12:23:21 <KotCzarny> yeah, works for some time then craps badly
Aug 07 12:23:22 <sobukus> I'd like to continue using it as jukebox, got the USB hub and keyboard connected, also snd-usb-audio module loaded.
Aug 07 12:23:29 <sobukus> craps?
Aug 07 12:23:43 <KotCzarny> afair hardcrashes the kernel
Aug 07 12:23:52 <KotCzarny> but it was LONG time ago
Aug 07 12:24:03 <sobukus> My issue is that I cannot convince a player to use the device, although /proc/asound/cards suggests there is hw:1,0, that is not accepted.
Aug 07 12:24:26 <KotCzarny> use the player that uses alsa, not oss/esd
Aug 07 12:24:42 <sobukus> KotCzarny: I'm using my own build of mpg123/
Aug 07 12:24:54 * sobukus is actually mpg123 upstream maintainer
Aug 07 12:25:24 <KotCzarny> check what device it actually opens with strace
Aug 07 12:26:36 <sobukus> I get snd_pcm_open_noupdate(): Unknown PCM hw:1,0 … after telling mpg123 explicitly to use that (-o alsa -a hw:1,0)
Aug 07 12:27:08 <KotCzarny> try 1.0 ?
Aug 07 12:27:11 <KotCzarny> (wild guess)
Aug 07 12:27:15 <sobukus> The /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf has some trickery to route ALSA to ESD, I presume … that's why the default device plays through the speakers.
Aug 07 12:27:33 <sobukus> nah
Aug 07 12:28:51 <sobukus> What is also strange, I cannot get a listing of ALSA devices using snd_device_name_hint() because that errors out on the card 0 that only has a control, but no pcm.
Aug 07 12:29:12 <sobukus> I wonder how "normal" the ALSA setup on OS2008 is.
Aug 07 12:29:14 <KotCzarny> i would assume they've hacked alsa hard
Aug 07 12:29:40 <KotCzarny> try static compile of mpg123 with libasound 
Aug 07 12:29:56 <KotCzarny> vanilla one, not the sdk one
Aug 07 12:30:27 <sobukus> Hm. So far I just built things on the device itself. You mean I should try to cross-compile a normal libasound …
Aug 07 12:30:49 <sobukus> Or, hm, I could just try to build a vanilla one (old source tarball) …
Aug 07 12:30:53 <KotCzarny> since you are in fiddling mode, yeah
Aug 07 12:31:10 <KotCzarny> or check what patches the sdk one has
Aug 07 12:31:44 <sobukus> To be sure: 1.0.14sa-2maemo2 is a version hacked by Nokia?
Aug 07 12:31:52 <KotCzarny> but i think i was using usbaudio with n800 and some player
Aug 07 12:32:28 <KotCzarny> disclaimer: i havent touched n800 sdk for many years
Aug 07 12:32:46 <sobukus> I'll try to download some alsa-lib and alsa-utils sources to test things.
Aug 07 12:34:12 <sobukus> Of course I know that it's a bit silly hanging onto the old beast for that.
Aug 07 12:34:28 <KotCzarny> n800 is nice
Aug 07 12:35:06 <KotCzarny> i've turned mine into audio box with my audio player
Aug 07 12:35:22 <sobukus> I had a HP Jornada 720 here for a short period … can take large SD cards via CF for music and has built-in keyboard for easy control … but the onboard sound is crappy.
Aug 07 12:35:41 <KotCzarny> yup, same with n800
Aug 07 12:35:44 <KotCzarny> unfortunatelly
Aug 07 12:35:59 <sobukus> N800 might be able to use proper DAC via usb … as the audio playback is not that suberb with the onboard ESD-stype thingie.
Aug 07 12:36:25 <sobukus> The noise might be OK, but I struggle to have gapless playback … it has the odd interruption from time to time.
Aug 07 12:52:37 <sobukus> Oh, the bloat … libncurses5-dev needs 5M of storage (needed for alsa-utils). But it's really nice that the repos for apt are still present!
Aug 07 12:58:44 <Maxdamantus> You should be able to uninstall libncurses5-dev after using it to build whatever you need.
Aug 07 13:00:26 <sobukus> yeah
Aug 07 13:01:18 <sobukus> I still got whopping 45.5M free on / ;-)
Aug 07 13:01:39 <KotCzarny> moving /usr/include to sdcard works ok
Aug 07 13:01:49 <KotCzarny> as long you have ext2/3/4 there
Aug 07 13:01:58 <KotCzarny> pop a symlink and it's ok
Aug 07 13:02:12 <KotCzarny> same for /usr/lib/gccsomething
Aug 07 13:02:29 <sobukus> Yes, I got a 32G sd card with ex
Aug 07 13:02:31 <sobukus> t
Aug 07 13:02:38 <sobukus> (and another one full with music)
Aug 07 13:02:54 <sobukus> I wonder, though, would the n800 take larger ones?
Aug 07 13:02:59 <KotCzarny> yup
Aug 07 13:03:24 <KotCzarny> i think there is a thread for that on tmo [tm]
Aug 07 13:04:50 <sobukus> I'll try my 200G one;-)
Aug 07 13:06:13 <sobukus> alsa-utils 1.0.14 built … aplay -l complains about Invalid CTL hw:0 and Invalid CTL hw:1
Aug 07 13:06:32 <KotCzarny> update your asound.conf to include ctl nodes too
Aug 07 13:07:00 <Maxdamantus> In general, SD sizes are not compatibility issues, unless you're using a device with a funny operating system that might have been designed without considering large sizes.
Aug 07 13:07:51 <sobukus> KotCzarny: the /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf has ctl.!default … but it is this dsp_ctl thing that redirects to /dev/dsptask
Aug 07 13:08:12 <sobukus> and ctl.!master{ type hw; card 0 }
Aug 07 13:08:41 <sobukus> I'd figure that the bare hw: devices should be visible without an alsa config, no?
Aug 07 13:09:20 <KotCzarny> try playing only with card 1 (the usb one)
Aug 07 13:09:29 <KotCzarny> playing / fiddling
Aug 07 13:10:10 <sobukus> Do you mean in the alsa.conf / asoundrc? Because that is what confuses me … I cannot make things use hw:1,0
Aug 07 13:10:21 * sobukus trying a vanilla build of alsa-lib
Aug 07 13:10:30 <KotCzarny>  /etc/asound...
Aug 07 13:11:54 <KotCzarny>  /etc/asound.conf to be exact
Aug 07 13:12:04 <sobukus> KotCzarny: by default, there is no /etc/asound.conf here
Aug 07 13:12:27 <KotCzarny> make one?
Aug 07 13:12:50 <sobukus> I'm using bare ALSA on my linux desktops … I don't need any asound.conf if I don't want to cofigure some plugins (like 5.1 → 2.0 mixing).
Aug 07 13:13:16 <sobukus> What would I write into an asound.conf for "just give me the bare devices"?
Aug 07 13:13:24 <KotCzarny> i usually dont touch system's config files, only the one in /etc or ~
Aug 07 13:14:07 <KotCzarny> try that one: https://pastebin.com/raw/981gYD5a
Aug 07 13:14:24 <KotCzarny> it's copied from example when default card is the wrong one
Aug 07 13:15:41 <sobukus> Yeah, I tried something similar before. I'm testing your example in /etc/asound.conf to be sure
Aug 07 13:18:20 <sobukus> Heh. System freeze. Reboot.
Aug 07 13:18:24 <KotCzarny> ;)
Aug 07 13:18:25 <KotCzarny> told'ya
Aug 07 13:18:37 <sobukus> too bad
Aug 07 13:18:42 <KotCzarny> i think it's power related
Aug 07 13:18:53 <sobukus> Uh? The USB device is externally powered.
Aug 07 13:18:57 <KotCzarny> because it was working sometimes, and crapping sometimes
Aug 07 13:19:05 <sobukus> I have the n800 hooked up to a powered hub.
Aug 07 13:19:18 <KotCzarny> since when n800 takes power from hub?
Aug 07 13:19:29 <sobukus> The USB audio takes power from hub.
Aug 07 13:19:34 <KotCzarny> ahm, k
Aug 07 13:19:58 <sobukus> And the n800, actually, since I got it hooked with a USB power cable I had from a Nokia phone.
Aug 07 13:20:41 <KotCzarny> without serial cable it's hard to debug hard crashes
Aug 07 13:20:54 <KotCzarny> that's why i'm only guessing
Aug 07 13:21:15 <KotCzarny> maybe you can try connecting usbaudio directly?
Aug 07 13:21:20 <sobukus> I wonder if the device will come back … since it'll try to use /etc/asound.conf …
Aug 07 13:21:36 <sobukus> Didn't the n800 not supply power at all?
Aug 07 13:22:10 <KotCzarny> i think in my experiments i was using simple usbotg cable
Aug 07 13:23:22 <sobukus> Hm. I guess I should be using a RasPi for stuff like that … or, Lord behold, an actual dedicated music player with Rockbox.
Aug 07 13:23:34 <KotCzarny> hmm, if i find my microusbotg cable i might check
Aug 07 13:23:46 <KotCzarny> nah, never a raspi
Aug 07 13:23:50 <sobukus> hehe
Aug 07 13:23:52 <KotCzarny> overpiced and crippled
Aug 07 13:24:03 <KotCzarny> oranges + good dac/amp are good idea tho
Aug 07 13:24:51 <KotCzarny> for casual listening even onboard audio is ok paired with pam based microamp
Aug 07 13:25:11 <KotCzarny> https://imgur.com/a/jFygV
Aug 07 13:25:21 <sobukus> I got a monster amp with two bridged TPA3110D2;-)
Aug 07 13:25:33 <KotCzarny> i've bought tpa3116 recently
Aug 07 13:25:44 <KotCzarny> will use it soon
Aug 07 13:26:03 <sobukus> But indeed also a little speaker built with flexible air duct as casing that has a PAM inside, usually powered by solar cells;-)
Aug 07 13:26:06 <KotCzarny> pity there are still no 325X solutions yet
Aug 07 13:26:33 <sobukus> 3116 is nice, has plenty of power for normal HiFi listening 
Aug 07 13:26:34 <KotCzarny> those seem better (according to spec sheets)
Aug 07 13:27:39 <sobukus> Also I learned that these amps do not care about noisy psus (burst mode) … you only need to take care of the preamp (little linear psu).
Aug 07 13:29:06 <KotCzarny> btw. i've added boot menu to my n800, so i can choose what and where it shall boot
Aug 07 13:29:07 <sobukus> my desktop amp with the two 3110 uses one noisy psu just with a normal linear regulator (not low drop) for the preamp (lm1036). Noise level is OK-ish with that.
Aug 07 13:29:21 <sobukus> My n800 seems to be in a boot loop now.
Aug 07 13:29:59 <sobukus> How do I get rid of the /etc/asound.conf now?
Aug 07 13:30:19 <KotCzarny> hmm
Aug 07 13:30:30 <sobukus> I don't blame you … I was careless.
Aug 07 13:30:50 <KotCzarny> i need to refresh my diablo memory
Aug 07 13:31:10 <sobukus> I guess there's a rescue shell in the initrd?
Aug 07 13:31:26 <KotCzarny> n900 can boot from usb
Aug 07 13:31:35 <KotCzarny> i wonder if n800 has similar capability
Aug 07 13:32:29 <sobukus> Hey, it came back! After pulling the battery, I got a desktop now again.
Aug 07 13:32:42 <KotCzarny> make a backup
Aug 07 13:32:51 <KotCzarny> and/or add sdcard booting option
Aug 07 13:32:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 07 13:32:55 <sobukus> and how'd I restore if it is bricked?
Aug 07 13:33:03 <sobukus> yeah, booting options
Aug 07 13:33:21 <KotCzarny> cloning os to sdcard helps 
Aug 07 13:33:58 <KotCzarny> and generally i've left working os on internal flash and only fiddle with sdcard
Aug 07 13:34:34 <KotCzarny> flasher-3.0 --set-root-device mmc
Aug 07 13:34:50 <KotCzarny> interestingly you can also set boot device via flasher
Aug 07 13:35:04 <sobukus> sudo hm, never used that
Aug 07 13:35:24 <sobukus> I actually only got the n800 used and it always was a jukebox without further fiddling
Aug 07 13:35:39 <sobukus> it tries to power the audio device, btw, without the hub.
Aug 07 13:35:54 <sobukus> I just don't have the virtual keyboard anymore then, as it thinks there is a USB hid.
Aug 07 13:36:11 <KotCzarny> ssh?
Aug 07 13:36:36 <sobukus> Uh … I could … from the phone that does the WLAN hotspot …
Aug 07 13:37:14 <sobukus> Just tried the playback again … it is consistent: crash, immediate
Aug 07 13:38:27 <KotCzarny> also, try different usbaudio card
Aug 07 13:39:03 <sobukus> hm, the device crashes again when it would want to play a sound
Aug 07 13:39:18 <sobukus> I need to be careful to delete the asound.conf without causing a beep.
Aug 07 13:39:18 <KotCzarny> maybe change !default into some card name
Aug 07 13:47:00 <KotCzarny> just booted my n800, i have the config i've pasted with !default changed into usb
Aug 07 13:47:33 <sobukus> and?
Aug 07 13:47:45 <KotCzarny> dont have my miniusbotg cable here
Aug 07 13:48:24 <KotCzarny> i will try to remember to check it later this week tho
Aug 07 13:50:08 <sobukus> Oh, no bother … but I'll hang around here for the case you do;-)
Aug 07 13:52:09 <KotCzarny> another thing is i've modified ~/.asoundrc
Aug 07 14:02:41 <KotCzarny>  /root/.asoundrc to be even more exact
Aug 07 14:02:46 <sobukus> hm
Aug 07 14:03:03 <sobukus> I'm waiting for it to get out of the boot loop this second time
Aug 07 14:03:04 <KotCzarny> so my experiments were tied to running commands as root
Aug 07 14:22:50 <sobukus> me, got rid of /etc/asound.conf, but triggered a reboot now as root with asoundrc
Aug 07 14:23:09 <sobukus> and now the display faded with an eerie hardware effect
Aug 07 14:23:35 <KotCzarny> got another usbaudio dongle?
Aug 07 14:23:55 <sobukus> not right now
Aug 07 22:04:31 <brolin_empey> Why does sso.godaddy.com currently resolve with 1.1.1.1 (CloudFlare public DNS) but not with Google public DNS nor with the DNS of my ISP (Telus in Metro Vancouver, Canada)? 0_o  I need to update some DNS records for a customer whose domain name is hosted by GoDaddy but I cannot access the GoDaddy account because of this problem.
Aug 07 22:35:55 <brolin_empey> The problem now seems to be resolved, no pun intended.
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