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Aug 09 12:18:32 <Wizzup> this registered only policy is retarded.
Aug 09 12:18:37 <Wizzup> I could not change my nickname because I was on this channel.
Aug 09 12:18:47 <KotCzarny> hehe
Aug 09 12:19:05 <Wizzup> and then I found out this was the case for like half of the channels I am in
Aug 09 12:19:19 <KotCzarny> most often than not it results from some bad people
Aug 09 12:19:40 <Wizzup> still.
Aug 09 12:20:04 <KotCzarny> you cant please everyone
Aug 09 12:20:11 <KotCzarny> even in anarchy
Aug 09 12:20:56 <Wizzup> let's just jail GNAA
Aug 09 12:27:16 <KotCzarny> who is gnaa?
Aug 09 12:36:39 <Wizzup> the spammers
Aug 09 12:37:18 <KotCzarny> o.O
Aug 09 12:37:22 <KotCzarny> Gay Nigger Association of America
Aug 09 12:53:46 <sparre> Who is op here?
Aug 09 12:54:14 <sparre> Setting mode +r for the channel is rather effective at blocking the spam.
Aug 09 12:54:29 <Wizzup> I think that was already done, since I could no longer send anything when I was not registered
Aug 09 12:54:32 <Wizzup> I wasn't even able to change my nick.
Aug 09 12:54:41 <KotCzarny> it's only +ntC on maemo
Aug 09 12:54:50 <Wizzup> apparently it is enough.
Aug 09 12:55:05 <KotCzarny> you were probably limited by some other channel
Aug 09 12:55:08 <sparre> Good to know.
Aug 09 12:55:09 <Wizzup> no.
Aug 09 12:55:20 <Wizzup> 14:17 [Freenode] -!- Wizzup #maemo Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
Aug 09 12:55:21 <KotCzarny> or you cant change nicks when logged in
Aug 09 12:55:36 <KotCzarny> banned?
Aug 09 12:56:08 <KotCzarny> i can change nick
Aug 09 12:56:17 <KotCzarny> so it's something else than +r
Aug 09 12:56:25 <sparre> KotCzarny: Then you aren't "banned". :-)
Aug 09 12:56:46 <KotCzarny> might be split
Aug 09 12:56:57 <KotCzarny> ban list of #maemo looks funny
Aug 09 12:57:16 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: I was on Wizzup_
Aug 09 12:57:17 <Wizzup> which is not registered
Aug 09 12:57:25 <Wizzup> and I was not able to change to 'Wizzup' so that I could identify
Aug 09 12:59:35 <KotCzarny> yeah, seems one needs to register before allowed to change nickname
Aug 09 13:01:20 <KotCzarny> bbl
Aug 09 13:02:05 <bencoh> funny that #maemo doesn't need +r by the way
Aug 09 13:02:17 <bencoh> I mean, spammers hardly bothered us here
Aug 09 13:02:26 <bencoh> at least they haven't for a long time
Aug 09 13:04:26 <Wizzup> I am really sure that #maemo was changed to protect against spam.
Aug 09 13:04:33 <Wizzup> it's just a different flag.
Aug 09 13:04:39 <bencoh> I thought so as well
Aug 09 13:04:52 <bencoh> but I don't see any flag that'd "protect" it
Aug 09 13:05:36 <Wizzup> C or g might do it
Aug 09 13:05:45 <bencoh> nope
Aug 09 13:05:54 <bencoh> (I went through the mode list as well)
Aug 09 13:06:09 <Wizzup> 04:21 -!- naos26 [~naos@117.red-79-151-178.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #maemo
Aug 09 13:06:12 <Wizzup> 04:22 -!- naos26 [~naos@117.red-79-151-178.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))]
Aug 09 13:06:15 <Wizzup> this is diff a spammer
Aug 09 13:06:18 <Wizzup> and it didn't manage to write anythong
Aug 09 13:06:20 <Wizzup> anything
Aug 09 13:06:21 <Wizzup> so..
Aug 09 13:06:26 <bencoh> C blocks ctcp, and g allows invite from anyone
Aug 09 13:06:34 <Wizzup> maybe a +q ban
Aug 09 13:08:27 <Maxdamantus> Wizzup: fwiw, you can identify to services without being on your owned nickname.
Aug 09 13:08:44 <Wizzup> yeah, but pita :) 
Aug 09 13:09:05 <Maxdamantus> Wizzup: you can specify the nick in `/ns identify`, or just use `‹nick›:‹password›` as your IRC password when connecting.
Aug 09 13:09:09 * Maxdamantus does the latter.
Aug 09 13:09:43 <Maxdamantus> Pretty much every IRC client should let you specify an IRC password, which Freenode lets you use to identify to services.
Aug 09 14:26:54 <Vajb> it says in startup message that all new connections to freenode are being set to +R
Aug 09 17:57:41 <DocScrutinizer05> hi! "use own CSR" for cert renewal? yes or no? what's a CST and do I already have one that I would want to use instead of hetzner's KonsoleH provided one?
Aug 09 17:57:59 <DocScrutinizer05> s/CST/CSR/
Aug 09 17:57:59 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: hi! "use own CSR" for cert renewal? yes or no? what's a CSR and do I already have one that I would want to use instead of hetzner's KonsoleH provided one?
Aug 09 18:11:14 <DocScrutinizer05> nm, too late anyway
Aug 09 20:12:14 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: Use Let’s Encrypt with acme.sh , which will automagically renew the certificate before it expires.
Aug 09 20:13:23 <brolin_empey> I mean with the ACMEv2 client named acme.sh , which already supports wildcard certificates issued by Let’s Encrypt.
Aug 09 20:29:02 <DocScrutinizer05> not going to touch LE
Aug 09 21:05:14 <sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: wha's wrong with LE?
Aug 09 21:32:16 <sicelo> my country has recently decided that all SIM cards needs to get registered. however, for some weird reason, at least one of the cellular providers wants to also take pictures of everyone registering O.o
Aug 09 21:32:20 <sicelo> https://www.facebook.com/MTNSz/photos/a.345689938850419.82445.340616289357784/1773013759451356/?type=3&theater
Aug 10 02:06:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: LE is a) very centralized with possible single point of failure / attack vector for whole internet literally. b) trades in expense for increased complexity and I am one of those weird folks that thin sysadmin time is worth real money c) didn't work a felt 1 dozen times now for devuan, thanks to the aforementioned complexity *D*) doesn't allow cert-pinning  *E*) isn't at all about authentication, now every silly script kiddie can 
Aug 10 02:06:12 <DocScrutinizer05> get free-as-in-beer annonymous certs
Aug 10 02:09:42 <DocScrutinizer05> Nota Bene the whole thing is "let's ENCRYPT" _not_ "lets AUTHENTICATE"
Aug 10 02:39:24 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: You may have some valid points but part of the reason why I switched to using LE is to automate the process of renewing the certificate because I wanted to avoid outages caused by the certificate expiring and do not want to spend my time on a chore if the process can be automated.  A computer should enable its user to work more efficiently by automating repetitive tasks, not to make the user work for the computer.
Aug 10 02:49:05 <DocScrutinizer05> balance for devuan (estimation): installing & configuring of LE on devuan servers: 3h, managing tickets, bugfixing and handling other fallout from outtime due to failed renewals during last 2 years: 5 * 3h (all incl chat and whatnot on admin meetings, customer support etc); TOTAL 18h * (don't beat me, I'd be more generous in RL) 20€ = 360€ TCO.   /// For a simple 2year wildcard business cert:  1h handling aka 20€ + cert 180€ = 
Aug 10 02:49:07 <DocScrutinizer05> 200€
Aug 10 02:51:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and that's *very* conservative and in favor of LE. I'd rather use a 50 to 100€ per hour, and way more hours for handling the fallout / collateral damage, plus I'd factor in reputation damages too
Aug 10 02:52:15 <DocScrutinizer05> this would multiply the ratio by factor 10
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