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Aug 19 05:38:57 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer05: I did dbus-monitor a sipcall startup, didn't see anything
Aug 19 06:47:50 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: At work I get to evaluate some x86 SBCs, so far have a Latte Panda, UP Board, Minnow Board Turbot Quad-Core (with fan but only because the fanless Turbot Dual-Core was sold out).  The Turbot seems nice, especially if it can easily power a 2.5-inch SATA HDD or SSD instead of only an mSATA SSD.
Aug 19 06:51:19 <brolin_empey> Of these three computers, the Turbot is the only one with SATA connectivity.
Aug 19 08:38:09 <Wikiwide> Anybody knows where Mappero stores GPS tracks? I suspect paths.db, but how do I export them into a standard track, .gpx or something else acceptable by OpenStreetMap.
Aug 19 09:10:13 <sixwheeledbeast> .tracks in home or something would be more logical? Never used mappero tho
Aug 19 11:50:58 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: strange
Aug 19 11:51:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I get full log here, called numberm account used and everything
Aug 19 11:51:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I get full log here, called number, account used and everything
Aug 19 11:52:02 <Wizzup> I did dbus-monitor --system
Aug 19 11:52:12 <Wizzup> maybe I totally derped and ran it on the wrng machine
Aug 19 12:48:13 <Wikiwide> Nokia N900, hardware power consumption : Media Player, with minimum volume is 110mA - is it speakers or headphone, and what difference does that make?
Aug 19 12:53:48 <Maxdamantus> I imagine speakers if anything, since you can't really have a minimum current for headphones.
Aug 19 12:54:20 <Maxdamantus> It would depend on their resistance.
Aug 19 12:56:43 <Wikiwide> As in, good headphones would have minimum resistance in wires to avoid energy loss, but it would still leave a choice of resistance for heaphone itself?
Aug 19 12:58:01 <Wikiwide> Okay, if it's for speakers, then is there a way to know which portion of 110mA goes to media player, and which portion goes to speakers?
Aug 19 13:06:15 <Maxdamantus> Most of the resistance will be in the speaker, not the wires.
Aug 19 13:06:43 <Maxdamantus> (the speaker of the headphones, that is)
Aug 19 13:15:30 <Wikiwide> Yes, but if I want to minimise power consumption, then should I look at DAC (digital analog conversion something chip) or at speakers?
Aug 19 13:16:15 <Wikiwide> Vibrator also consumes energy, 120mA - "not important because vibrator isn't used that often"?
Aug 19 17:26:18 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: afaik it was "minimum volume (one tick above mute)" OWTTE, so it's meant to just keep amp active but _not_ provide significant part of power consumption to headset / speakers during test
Aug 19 17:29:32 <DocScrutinizer05> generally headset will consume way less power than IHF speakers
Aug 19 17:30:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup: not --system
Aug 19 17:30:28 <DocScrutinizer05> a call is a user realm thing
Aug 19 17:32:01 <Wizzup> hmmm
Aug 19 17:37:05 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehe :-D
Aug 19 17:38:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I usualy always test both --system and --user, but here I was almost sure so I ran a mere `dbus-monitor` only
Aug 19 17:42:18 <Wizzup> yeah, so it seems to do something internally, there doesn't seem to be a call in that log to just 'start' a sip call
Aug 19 17:42:24 <Wizzup> it seems to invoke telepathy and such
Aug 19 17:42:28 <Wizzup> (directly)
Aug 19 17:43:32 <DocScrutinizer05> not sure, I seem to recall that was the trouble I ean into as well, back when
Aug 19 17:43:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ran*
Aug 19 17:44:00 <Wizzup> I just checked
Aug 19 17:44:32 <DocScrutinizer05> shit
Aug 19 17:45:41 <DocScrutinizer05> :-/
Aug 19 17:46:04 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia (collabora?) fucked it up then
Aug 19 23:43:54 <Oksana> >> generally headset will consume way less power than IHF speakers << That would make looking at mediaplayer's power consumption with headset (not speakers) at minimum volume interesting. | Amp is interesting, because it's definitely a necessary part of any phone - it's active during phone calls,
Aug 19 23:43:55 <Oksana> right? - and its power consumption is apparently high.
Aug 20 01:21:25 <Maxdamantus> My guess is that far more power will be used in decoding the audio file than actually playing through the speakers.
Aug 20 01:22:31 <Maxdamantus> You should be able to determine that just by looking at where the heat is dissipated .. is more heat dissipated by the CPU (relative to an idle system), or by the speakers/headset?
Aug 20 01:22:33 * Oksana nods... Why is decoding so difficult? Which formats/codecs are easier to decode?
Aug 20 01:22:56 <Maxdamantus> Again, I'd guess it's far more in the CPU than in speakers/headset.
Aug 20 01:23:29 <Maxdamantus> WAV is the easiest to decode.
Aug 20 01:24:03 <Maxdamantus> but not very space efficient .. I imagine there are other power usage considerations too though.
Aug 20 01:28:21 <Oksana> There is file system, there is CPU, there is DAC (I think), there is amplifier (I think), and there is speaker. Trying to figure it out... https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Audio_Codec 
Aug 20 01:32:30 <Oksana> TLV320AIC34 is DAC (and ADC as well), and possibly an amplifier as well. The "Ultra-Low-Power Mode With Passive Analog Bypass" sounds like phone can play radio even when it's switched off? Sounds nice - for example, for "Wake Up Alarm with Radio" functionality.
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