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Oct 26 05:41:09 <sicelo> thanks buZz for checking. now, to find a suitable magnet :-)
Oct 26 06:10:04 <Vajb> get some huge neodym magnet :p
Oct 26 07:59:38 <totalizator> sicelo: haven't heard about Maemo Leste, thanks
Oct 26 08:01:13 <totalizator> oh gosh, I remember the day when my magnet from n900 fell into the grass, like in slow motion ;__;
Oct 26 08:04:04 <KotCzarny> for one of my n900s without magnes i just bough replacement (used) cover cheaply ~1usd
Oct 26 08:06:22 <sicelo> how much is a complete working N900 KotCzarny?
Oct 26 08:07:00 <KotCzarny> depends on luck
Oct 26 08:07:23 <KotCzarny> from ~20usd to ~50usd
Oct 26 08:07:25 <sicelo> usual range?
Oct 26 08:07:31 <sicelo> thanks
Oct 26 08:07:39 <KotCzarny> 50+ usd is almost new quality
Oct 26 08:24:20 <sicelo> thanks. 
Oct 26 08:27:40 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast^: you might want to change "while true" to "while sleep 0.1" in  ~beasttweaks. Needs bash!
Oct 26 08:34:59 <DocScrutinizer05> totalizator: pondered luring the N900 magnet out of the grass with another ("huge") magnet?
Oct 26 08:36:04 <DocScrutinizer05> sicelo: let me know which solution you came up with for the replacement magnet. I think cutting a tiny piece off a plastic fridge magnet might work
Oct 26 08:44:05 <totalizator> huge magnet, yes, that's something I carry around usually - kind of a lucky charm ;)
Oct 26 08:46:48 <KotCzarny> there are people NOT carrying HUGE magnet with them ALL the time?
Oct 26 08:48:37 <totalizator> ask Steve Wozniak https://gizmodo.com/5926598/the-amazing-contents-of-steve-wozniaks-travel-backpack
Oct 26 08:50:23 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 26 08:51:05 <KotCzarny> mine has 2 cellphones, slim power bank, e-ink e-reader and usb 3g modem
Oct 26 08:51:22 <sicelo> i have one of those magnetic name tag things somewhere. hope the magnet is strong enough
Oct 26 08:51:23 <KotCzarny> and a swissbit
Oct 26 08:51:49 <KotCzarny> also microusb cable (for powerbank)
Oct 26 08:52:00 <KotCzarny> atm also usb-uasp (sata adapter)
Oct 26 08:52:43 <KotCzarny> also pendrive and a mirror
Oct 26 08:55:39 <totalizator> I carry an usb3 external ssd with Linux as I'm too paranoid to leave it at work :E
Oct 26 08:56:02 <KotCzarny> grab some dedi box (or setup one at home) ?
Oct 26 08:56:20 <totalizator> easier that carrying the laptop plus it's perfectly bootable on any pc
Oct 26 08:56:22 <KotCzarny> sysarm has a nice offer
Oct 26 08:56:29 <KotCzarny> ah, for that
Oct 26 08:57:55 <totalizator> dedi box?
Oct 26 08:58:07 <KotCzarny> as opposed to vps
Oct 26 09:27:46 <DocScrutinizer05> totalizator: there's more magnets around that you might think, usually
Oct 26 09:28:10 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g. headphones
Oct 26 09:34:49 <sixwheeledbeast^> keyboards slider? hard drives, microwaves
Oct 26 09:35:51 <sixwheeledbeast^> or is this a magnet to fit in as a replacement?
Oct 26 09:36:23 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~logs
Oct 26 09:36:24 <infobot> All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/
Oct 26 09:36:31 <KotCzarny> with tlc ssd, old magnetic hdds are just too clunky
Oct 26 09:36:47 <KotCzarny> (comparing prices)
Oct 26 09:38:38 <sixwheeledbeast^> I still prefer HDD for storage
Oct 26 09:39:01 <KotCzarny> for long time storage, yeah. as a portable storage ssd is just fine
Oct 26 09:39:36 <sixwheeledbeast^> I like to shred things SSD dont like that
Oct 26 09:40:17 <KotCzarny> um, trim?
Oct 26 09:40:32 <totalizator> ssds tend to shred themseves 
Oct 26 09:40:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 26 09:42:35 <sixwheeledbeast^> I agree portable is better with no mechanical components to damage.
Oct 26 09:42:53 <KotCzarny> lighter too
Oct 26 09:43:14 <KotCzarny> and smaller if you happen to have msata/m.2 enclosure
Oct 26 09:49:09 <sixwheeledbeast^> I suppose you could manually trim the drive instead of shred.
Oct 26 09:49:50 <sixwheeledbeast^> Otherwise data is there until your trim cycle, normally a cron job every week
Oct 26 09:50:25 <KotCzarny> you shred automatically?
Oct 26 09:51:02 <sixwheeledbeast^> some files from the cli
Oct 26 09:51:04 <KotCzarny> also, since many ssds are encrypted internally now, destroying controller is enough
Oct 26 10:07:50 <jonwil> hi
Oct 26 10:09:11 <KotCzarny> hello
Oct 26 10:53:30 <Vajb> about n900 profiles. I usually want to keep my phone on silent profile, but at day time I like it to vibrate, but at night time this is not acceptable. Do we have a script to change this automagically?
Oct 26 10:54:09 <jonwil> Anything interesting happening in the world of N900 lately?
Oct 26 10:54:24 <KotCzarny> jonwil: most of the fun happens in #maemo-leste
Oct 26 10:54:38 <jonwil> ok :)
Oct 26 11:46:54 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: Do You use mutt on the n900?
Oct 26 11:47:23 <KotCzarny> nope, i only use web interface for mail
Oct 26 11:47:42 <KotCzarny> both yahoo and gmail have legacy fallbacks
Oct 26 11:47:59 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~phonecontrol
Oct 26 11:48:00 <infobot> rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Oct 26 11:48:08 <sixwheeledbeast^> ^ Vajb
Oct 26 11:49:12 <sunshavi> I am using mutt on n900 (for reading with mbsync aka isync). In the future I would try to compile msmtp for also writting email on the device
Oct 26 11:57:48 <Vajb> sixwheeledbeast^: thx, I thought to ask if there is something ready to prevent iventing wheel, but I'll dig to it then.
Oct 26 11:58:10 <sixwheeledbeast^> oh no i doubt
Oct 26 12:24:06 <sixwheeledbeast^> Vajb: Just use alarmd?
Oct 26 12:24:35 <sixwheeledbeast^> Alarmed
Oct 26 12:25:39 <sixwheeledbeast^> That's how i do most stuff like that
Oct 26 12:39:03 <Maxdamantus> Hm. I have an evil plan to continue using Opera Mobile with sites requiring newer versions of TLS.
Oct 26 12:40:41 <Maxdamantus> It seems to use SNI, so I should be able to make a MITM server that generates appropriate certificates on the fly, signed by my own CA certificate which can be added as a root.
Oct 26 12:41:10 <Maxdamantus> and can probably just do something like override `connect` with LD_PRELOAD
Oct 26 12:43:54 <Maxdamantus> and of course, the proxy server will do hostname validation, so there's no loss of security.
Oct 26 12:45:29 <Maxdamantus> I guess this is what "mitmproxy" does, but that's written in Python, so would prefer not to run that on the N900.
Oct 26 13:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed alarmed comes with this function built in
Oct 26 13:30:11 <sixwheeledbeast^> Did anyone get QML browser working with TLS? I thought that was a thing, I need to try.
Oct 26 15:00:58 <sicelo> sunshavi: i do use mutt on N900.  any reason for asking?
Oct 26 15:14:49 <sunshavi> sicelo: Hi. Yeah. Do You send email with msmtp?
Oct 26 15:18:29 <sicelo> i don't use msmtp. any advantages over using mutt's existing smtp 'client'?
Oct 26 15:21:31 <sunshavi> less setup probably. support for multiple accounts also
Oct 26 15:22:08 <sunshavi> mutt used just as MUA
Oct 26 15:22:48 <sicelo> ymmv
Oct 26 15:23:18 <sicelo> works fine for me to send and retrieve mail from Google & Outlook.com (where I use it)
Oct 26 15:26:43 <sunshavi> nice. Probably I am going to compile msmtp and transfer my setup as it is. then I would have isync as MDA mutt as MUA and msmtp MTA
Oct 26 17:39:04 <Vajb> hmm did someone patch pidgin-libnotify to fix vibra issue? Or is there a version which works with maemo? Newer than 14.2-3
Oct 26 17:56:56 <sixwheeledbeast^> gidzzz did some pidgin stuff maybe search on tmo?
Oct 26 18:07:42 <Vajb> ok thx
Oct 26 18:17:57 <Vajb> hmm it was facebook plugin
Oct 26 19:21:10 <Vajb> hmm it seems that telegram-purple doesn't support supergroups
Oct 26 19:21:26 <Vajb> oh well I'll live
Oct 26 19:44:47 <sicelo> Vajb: i use telegram-cli now :)
Oct 26 19:48:13 <Vajb> oh. Does it support supergroups?
Oct 26 20:08:54 <sicelo> what's a supergroup btw
Oct 26 20:13:42 <Vajb> well I don't know exact definition, but it is a group that can have lots of members
Oct 26 20:15:28 <Vajb> if I try to open it in pidgin I get message "71: rpc_call_fail: user_already_participant
Oct 26 20:15:31 <Vajb> "
Oct 26 20:15:50 <sicelo> if there's any free-access supergroup you know, i can test for you
Oct 26 20:15:52 <Vajb> if I try to open it in pidgin I get message "71: rpc_call_fail 400: user_already_participant"
Oct 26 20:16:29 <Vajb> I know only this one im using and it is not open :/
Oct 26 20:16:46 <sicelo> :-)
Oct 26 20:16:57 <sicelo> russian spies?
Oct 26 20:18:42 <sicelo> anyway, you can find the package on tmo and test for yourself. or, build it on pc
Oct 26 20:19:06 <Vajb> yeah I did some digging of a topic
Oct 26 20:20:52 <Vajb> I'll see what I do, but thx :)
Oct 26 20:23:21 <sicelo> it's cli, so it has its limitations, but i never went back to pidgin since i got it. 
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