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Jan 30 04:35:35 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: Writing on a road/path/sidewalk/… can be considered a non-paged book?
Jan 30 12:02:39 <Oksana> Motorised miniaturised Torah scrolls?.. Would require a very flexible and durable screen for displaying e-books. And it's paginated, still, even in scroll form ;-)
Jan 30 12:04:41 <Oksana> Book of Esther and Joshua Roll are paginated as well?.. Vertical, non-paginated rolls are more likely to be used for shorter documents?..
Jan 30 12:05:35 <Oksana> Shorter or longer, doesn't matter for computer display. Still, it would have to be a very flexible durable display...
Jan 30 12:06:02 <KotCzarny> it's mixing up tech
Jan 30 12:06:10 <KotCzarny> you can scroll data on eink
Jan 30 12:06:22 <KotCzarny> (slower or faster but still)
Jan 30 12:06:57 <KotCzarny> no need to physically move anything if you have electronic display
Jan 30 12:08:00 <Oksana> Question is, if dislay is a fixed rectangle, then it's intuitive for it to be paginated, if only because scrolling non-paginated text on e-ink display is going to be laggy.
Jan 30 12:08:24 <KotCzarny> currently eink is quite speedy
Jan 30 12:09:04 <Oksana> If display is a roll, then human can scroll down the non-paginated text physically, while the part of display hidden from user updates itself.
Jan 30 12:09:07 <buZz> as long as it isnt a >1 color display ;)
Jan 30 12:09:19 <buZz> those 2 color einks take -forever- to refresh
Jan 30 12:10:10 <KotCzarny> buzz, i'm not talking about any specific tech, but generic idea of fixed medium vs dynamic display
Jan 30 12:10:17 <Oksana> And I cannot wait for full-colour e-ink displays... Too impatient.
Jan 30 12:10:25 <buZz> ah ok, dont call it eink then ;)
Jan 30 12:10:45 <KotCzarny> oksana: they are here already
Jan 30 12:10:52 <KotCzarny> just far from perfect
Jan 30 12:11:03 * KotCzarny already used mirasol for quite few years
Jan 30 12:11:08 <Oksana> Yes, I am mixing things up. Like, scrolling physically a digital display.
Jan 30 12:11:12 <KotCzarny> it even plays youtube @10fps
Jan 30 12:12:14 <KotCzarny> unfortunatelly red is a bit washed out, and android/soc sucks a lot of battery anyway
Jan 30 12:12:24 <KotCzarny> readability in full sun is good tho
Jan 30 12:19:48 <Oksana> Yes, readability in full sun is good for e-ink. And for amoled, but that's power-hungry?
Jan 30 12:19:55 <KotCzarny> yes
Jan 30 12:20:29 <Oksana> But amoled looks far better than e-ink? Colourful, contrastful...
Jan 30 12:20:33 <KotCzarny> yes
Jan 30 12:20:42 <KotCzarny> same for ips
Jan 30 12:21:11 <KotCzarny> also, lcd(amoled, ips, tn) is more stressfull to the eyes
Jan 30 12:21:16 <Oksana> power-hungry as well ^
Jan 30 12:21:48 <KotCzarny> for books and longer reading last argument is important
Jan 30 12:22:02 <Oksana> Any scientific links on studies that show that? Because I understand theory, but I would like empirical evidence as well
Jan 30 12:22:11 <KotCzarny> otherwise headache, eyestrain can occur
Jan 30 12:22:44 <KotCzarny> yes. been there, done that, had eye/headaches.
Jan 30 12:23:09 <Oksana> And office workers all use LCD/whatever computer monitors, no e-ink computer monitors ;-)
Jan 30 12:23:15 <KotCzarny> as for retina burnout, any ultraviolet light study should suffice
Jan 30 12:23:51 * Oksana should get sunglasses/computerGlasses, UV is strong here
Jan 30 12:24:04 <KotCzarny> with reflected light (which is usually sun filtered through atmosphere) it's natural for us
Jan 30 12:24:39 <KotCzarny> remember that uv can also enter eye sideways and make your eye more foggy
Jan 30 12:24:56 <Oksana> Australia's UV is stronger than elsewhere, if only because of ozone hole?
Jan 30 12:25:17 <KotCzarny> more sun probably in general
Jan 30 12:25:27 <KotCzarny> fewer cloud/humidity
Jan 30 12:25:38 <Oksana> And I want glasses that cover all angles, like some sunglasses do - so that my eyes do not see anything outside frames
Jan 30 12:30:25 <Oksana> Let's hope the computer is still switched on and accessible tomorrow. Because I am transferring IceChat logs out of it.
Jan 30 12:31:09 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki ozone_hole
Jan 30 12:31:13 <infobot> At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_hole (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{short description|Stratospheric phenomena of Earth}} {{Use mdy dates|date=May 2016}} {{Use American English|date=May 2016}} {{Other uses|Depletion (disambiguation)}} ozone hole ever recorded over the South Pole in September 2006]] {{external media | width = 210px | align = right | headerimage= | audio1 = ...
Jan 30 12:36:30 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly lost relevance?
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