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Feb 10 03:14:11 <brolin_empey> Maxdamantus: Can you use an external SD card reader/writer?  Or use one on a PC Card or ExpressCard or similar if you want one connected via PCI instead of via USB?
Feb 10 03:15:38 <Maxdamantus> brolin_empey: my main computer's case has an integrated SD card reader alongside other USB ports that are plugged into one of the header, but it doesn't seem to handle errors very well.
Feb 10 03:16:26 <Maxdamantus> brolin_empey: it just exposes the card as a USB mass storage device, and it seems to consider a read error the same as taking the card out.
Feb 10 03:18:45 <Maxdamantus> I'm not going to bother getting a PCI SD card reader just for rare cases like this.
Feb 10 03:19:12 <Maxdamantus> Wonder if actual SDIO over USB is a thing.
Feb 10 03:19:21 <brolin_empey> If you have the right type of PCI or PCI Express slot on a desktop motherboard, you can try using a PCI card that can accept a PC Card or an ExpressCard with an SD card reader/writer so you can try using an SD card reader/writer connected directly via PCI instead of indirectly connected via USB.
Feb 10 03:24:38 <Maxdamantus> There's this .. dunno if anyone's made an actual end-user product though: http://www.saelig.com/pr/vub300.html
Feb 10 03:25:18 <Maxdamantus> "4bit SDIO"
Feb 10 03:35:21 <brolin_empey> “USB bus”, heh.  QFN ICs have a reputation of causing soldering problems in production.
Feb 10 06:43:49 <KotCzarny> maxd: the old one or new evo?
Feb 10 06:58:45 <DocScrutinizer05> >>a PC Card or ExpressCard or similar if you want one connected via PCI instead of via USB?<< funny enough those are very likely aöso using the simple USB on the card bus
Feb 10 06:59:13 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Feb 10 07:16:53 <Maxdamantus> KotCzarny: old one.
Feb 10 07:17:06 <Maxdamantus> (SanDisk)
Feb 10 07:17:26 <Maxdamantus> (not that it has anything to do with the brand; it's just a card that's been used for a few years)
Feb 10 07:19:11 * Maxdamantus wonders if SD cards tend to have some sort of mechanism to get information about write cycles from them.
Feb 10 07:20:14 <Maxdamantus> on SSDs you can normally find that information in SMART:
Feb 10 07:20:15 <Maxdamantus> 241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       26350448159
Feb 10 07:31:34 <KotCzarny> maxd: they do, but most likely they have shitty wear levelling algo
Feb 10 07:31:49 <KotCzarny> and normal fs rips it with metadata writes mostly
Feb 10 07:32:15 <KotCzarny> wearing out few particular 4MB areas
Feb 10 07:33:07 <Maxdamantus> KotCzarny: I meant I wonder if that information is exposed.
Feb 10 07:33:16 <KotCzarny> unlikely
Feb 10 07:33:26 <Maxdamantus> I know it does wear levelling, otherwise it would be a major misuse of flash storage.
Feb 10 07:34:29 <KotCzarny> still, most likely would be beneficial to use fs which has dynamic metadata areas
Feb 10 07:34:47 <KotCzarny> kind of ubifs for big disks
Feb 10 07:38:39 <Maxdamantus> or basically any CoW filesystem, like btrfs.
Feb 10 07:39:12 <Maxdamantus> That should normally only write to the superblocks repeatedly afaik (and that only happens every 30 seconds)
Feb 10 07:39:20 <KotCzarny> how btrfs handles metadata?
Feb 10 07:39:36 <KotCzarny> because its not the data being the problem
Feb 10 07:39:47 <Maxdamantus> The same way it handles all data. It writes it to a new location and eventually that location will be referred to by the superblock.
Feb 10 07:40:18 <KotCzarny> maybe i should move my sdcards to btrfs ho hum
Feb 10 07:41:14 <Maxdamantus> I will almost certainly use btrfs on N900 when I upgrade the kernel.
Feb 10 08:04:03 * Maxdamantus reckons flash-based filesystems will eventually be mainstream anyway.
Feb 10 08:05:24 <Maxdamantus> It's obviously more efficient to just do wear levelling in the filesystem, instead of having something that uses wear levelling to emulate a block device.
Feb 10 08:12:35 <Maxdamantus> Probably mostly makes sense after getting rid of partitions too.
Feb 10 08:28:10 <KotCzarny> depends on target device
Feb 10 08:28:17 <KotCzarny> and usage pattern
Feb 10 10:27:46 <Wikiwide> Yes, that's a good question, Enrico_M_RX-51: It remains duckduckgo, instead of whatever search engine is chosen.
Feb 10 10:41:31 <Enrico_Menotti> Wikiwide Bug?
Feb 10 10:43:38 <Enrico_Menotti> Given all these problems with browsers on Maemo, I wonder whether it makes more sense to try improving one of these or to try completing the fundamentals of Maemo Leste (I'm thinking about modem mainly) and then using modern browsers over that.
Feb 10 10:46:22 <Enrico_Menotti> Or to buy a modern smartphone, yes, but I hate those big flat things without any key, where you do continuous mistakes in typing and phone calls are very uncomfortable.
Feb 10 11:13:21 <Wikiwide> I agree, phablets are an annoying fashion trend.
Feb 10 11:20:49 <Wikiwide> Enrico_Menotti: Since QML is easy to edit ;-)  I am trying to debug why is doesn't parse its own searchengines settings
Feb 10 11:22:50 <Enrico_Menotti> Wikiwide Thanks. If you step upon the reason why the "c" is swapped with the "C", and why rotation does not work, that's also of interest to me. Just if you happen to find it.
Feb 10 11:26:28 <Wikiwide> According to QML, search from input field always defaults to 0, aka first search engine in the list. Now, how to change that...
Feb 10 13:25:24 <Enrico_Menotti> Wikiwide There's more, seems to me. I edited the search engine configuration file, putting Google in first position, then DuckDuckGo and at the end Wikipedia. The search engine list in the QML GUI settings has changed, but it lists DuckDuckGo as first choice exactly as before. Wikipedia and Google have switched positions:
Feb 10 13:25:57 <Enrico_Menotti> If I put (in the file) 1. DuckDuckGo 2. Wikipedia 3. Google I find (in the GUI) 1. DuckDuckGo 2. Wikipedia 3. Google
Feb 10 13:26:43 <Enrico_Menotti> If I put (in the file) 1. Google 2. DuckDuckGo 3. Wikipedia I fine (in the GUI) 1. DuckDuckGo 2. Google 3. Wikipedia
Feb 10 13:27:03 <Enrico_Menotti> And the search engine queried from the address bar is ALWAYS DuckDuckGo.
Feb 10 13:27:11 <Enrico_Menotti> (Qua qua.)
Feb 10 13:27:13 <Enrico_Menotti> :)
Feb 10 17:26:17 <Vajb> Enrico_Menotti: I circled that search engine problem by putting them in "start page".
Feb 10 17:42:12 <Enrico_M_RX-51> Vajb Good workaround!
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