**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 08 02:59:57 2019 Apr 08 03:35:57 my friend baked his xbox 360 in regular oven and got it working again. Apr 08 03:36:35 hmm maybe I should bake my "self-booting" N900... Apr 08 05:06:24 i've seen ppl repair a bricked PS3 with a paintstripper and alufoil Apr 08 06:54:05 Not good for you oven if you plan to use it for food again. Also the "paintstripper" technique is sometimes only a very temporary fix on the PS3 Apr 08 09:04:23 hello,I am having problems accessing talk.maemo.org with VPN on Apr 08 09:04:59 ~unbanip Apr 08 09:05:00 rumour has it, unbanip is please contact techstaff maemo org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it, or tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam Apr 08 09:05:16 thank You Apr 08 11:17:17 fun fact, devuan ascii is too old to build firefox-56.0.2 Apr 08 11:24:48 Blame SystemD! — oh wait Apr 08 11:28:11 nah, it's just that debian is old as it is Apr 08 11:28:14 ;) Apr 08 11:28:22 same would happen on scratch Apr 08 11:28:53 s/scratch/stretch/ Apr 08 11:28:53 KotCzarny meant: same would happen on stretch Apr 08 11:30:16 Somehow that thinko made my head sing "etch(y) and stretch(y) show" with itchy and scratchy show tune Apr 08 11:30:25 :) Apr 08 11:30:44 buster is coming, some day Apr 08 11:31:24 Now matter how hard adam and jamie tried to kill him Apr 08 11:37:21 "etchy and stretchy" <3 Apr 08 12:15:24 I noticed the website is giving a 403 error, anyone else getting the same? Apr 08 12:15:33 which website? Apr 08 12:16:43 maemo.org Apr 08 12:16:55 soa#1 Apr 08 12:16:58 ie. works for me Apr 08 12:17:28 im not logged in though Apr 08 12:19:40 works here, even when logged in Apr 08 12:20:28 hmm Apr 08 12:21:21 talk.maemo.org works but maemo.org prompts me to login Apr 08 12:21:33 try without https Apr 08 12:23:31 huh, interesting Apr 08 12:37:38 It's one reason people use other distros more so in a desktop environment. I suppose there is a ESR available? Apr 08 12:38:15 swb: context? Apr 08 12:40:01 Apparently the logo of LG AirDrive is very similar to the logo of MasterCard. Apr 08 12:41:13 Common complains are most packages are very old unless you are on sid. Apr 08 12:41:28 ESR for firefox BTW Apr 08 12:41:48 sunshavi: Apparently there are no Wikipedia meetups in South America, at least not on en.wikipedia.org . It only goes as far south as Mexico. Apr 08 12:41:53 nah, firefox esr has moved already far past 56.0.2 which i want Apr 08 12:42:08 compiled it without a problem on slackware Apr 08 12:42:15 but devuan is just too old Apr 08 12:42:27 at least devuan-ascii Apr 08 12:42:37 oh. not helpful Apr 08 12:43:51 i wouldnt be using such old release, but 2 reasons.. 1/ alsa, 2/ lots of missing useful extensions on 57+ Apr 08 12:44:07 I suppose having less updates provides a more stable platform is the idea which is better for upstream distros. Apr 08 12:44:14 Oh pre Quantum Apr 08 12:44:33 they shot themselves in the foot with it in my opinion Apr 08 12:44:38 I forgot that 57 was Quantum Apr 08 12:44:48 most people wouldnt even notice, because they just click the internet Apr 08 12:44:55 but anyone using firefox for customizability.. Apr 08 12:45:09 extensions in 57+ just suck Apr 08 12:45:52 I have got used to it TBH. Seems to have reduced customisability a little but improved performance/stability greatly. Apr 08 12:46:16 nah, i see otherwise, it's more memory hungry Apr 08 12:46:51 which leads to big slowdowns at times Apr 08 12:47:32 It seems to use little memory in the main process but other processes are a little heavier. Apr 08 12:47:50 and they've enabled multiprocess in background Apr 08 12:47:59 which results in bigger memory footprint Apr 08 12:48:49 i still remember pre 4.x firefox when they had a rule that installer has to fit under xxx megabytes Apr 08 12:49:13 My only complaint is a can't find anything in preferences anymore Apr 08 12:49:42 that too, although once you set prefs, you dont have to do again Apr 08 12:53:39 yep Apr 08 13:06:06 I pretty much hate the idea of extensions anyway. Apr 08 13:06:21 nah, they are good if done right Apr 08 13:06:28 It's a fucking horrible system. Apr 08 13:06:41 its fucking horrible system when one-size-fits-all Apr 08 13:06:51 It's just like encouraging people to run a bunch of random software on their computer. Apr 08 13:07:12 so, why are you modding your n900? Apr 08 13:07:24 I was using basically two extensions on Chromium at work. It turned out one of them was sending all of my history to some Israeli company. Apr 08 13:07:50 bad extension you got burned by != all bad Apr 08 13:08:08 It was a fairly legitimate looking extension. It's still very popular and is highly rated on the store. Apr 08 13:08:21 https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylish/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe//Aqui Apr 08 13:08:24 over 4 stars Apr 08 13:08:36 1.7m users Apr 08 13:08:48 but it sends all of your browsing history to the owner. Apr 08 13:09:32 There's an unfucked version too, so I've just been using that instead, but it's not like the original version is removed from the store or anything. Apr 08 13:10:00 I don't want to imagine what stupid shit people are running when they're using 20 random extensions or whatever that look cool Apr 08 13:10:29 well, applestore/google store isnt any better in that regard Apr 08 13:10:36 not even starting with windoze Apr 08 13:10:37 :) Apr 08 13:11:12 tbh I've been staying on old firefox because of vimperrator Apr 08 13:11:46 I'm pretty sure that's *FAR FAR* better, since by running applications installed through those stores, you're not giving them access to things like all of your browser usage, or access to any other application running on your system. Apr 08 13:12:09 firefox basically switched to chromium Apr 08 13:12:11 Since applications installed on iOS/Android are properly sandboxed. Apr 08 13:12:24 extensions are not sandboxed from all web content Apr 08 13:12:46 but they really should be. You shouldn't be running random code that has access to everything in your web browser. Apr 08 13:14:40 This basically applies to all software people run on typical desktop OSes too. Apr 08 13:14:47 yup Apr 08 13:15:02 now show me how many users create standard account in windozes Apr 08 13:15:25 the only place that seems to actually address this afaik is in phone OSes, particularly iOS and Android. Apr 08 13:16:01 on Linux there's supposedly Flatpak, but I haven't looked too much into that. Apr 08 13:16:17 I think the macOS store might also work similarly. Apr 08 13:16:52 anyway, bed. don't use extensions. Apr 08 13:18:10 Part of quantum is that permissions are asked for before you use the plugin and any updates that require permissions changes too. Apr 08 13:18:17 regarding that Stylish extensions, it's even really unclear whether or not it does it just by Googling for information on it. Apr 08 13:18:19 ones i use: classic theme restorer, compact menu 2, download manager tweak, google search link fix, google translator for firefox, image zoom, noscript, nuke anything, open in browser, tineye reverse image search, toggleDocumentColors, user agent overrider, view cookies, web developer Apr 08 13:19:01 sixwheeledbeast: so how does an extension like Stylish work while the user gets to choose what it does? Apr 08 13:19:08 and honestly, i think only 1 or 2 got rewrite for 57+ Apr 08 13:20:06 (also, just to be clear: I'm pretty sure Stylish still works that way; every time you load a page, it makes a request to something like `https://userstyles.org/blah/whatever?url=https:%2f%2fgoogle.com%2f` Apr 08 13:20:10 CTR is not available but you just have to tweak or find other extentsion to do similar. Many extentsion are now complete rewrite so are not the same name or have new devs. Apr 08 13:20:10 ) Apr 08 13:20:52 swb, yeah, but the fact people have to start from 0, means they are often limited, incomplete and/or buggy Apr 08 13:21:00 also, when I looked into it, it was made by a company that intentionally collects data that way, so it's not coincidental Apr 08 13:21:15 i wasnt even able to find sensible 'dark page colors' type extension Apr 08 13:21:57 the issue is the API is less flexible from what i can gather not all things are possible. but equally something that where done in extentsion before where hacky and not good for performance. Apr 08 13:22:24 sure, and im using firefox with all those extensions on thinkpad x40.. Apr 08 13:22:36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimilarWeb Apr 08 13:22:56 > SimilarWeb is a website which provides web analytics services for businesses. The company offers its customers information on their clients' and competitors' website traffic volumes; referral sources, including keyword analysis; and website "stickiness" (e.g., time on site, page views, bounce rate), among other features. Apr 08 13:23:34 makes a totally useful browser extension that just happens to have the minor side effect of sending visited URLs back to its owner .. hmm, wonder why Apr 08 13:23:55 I mean if you want to continue with FF I suppose you will have to switch to quantum at some point. Apr 08 13:24:26 swb, only if it gets functionality i need. otherwise i probably start looking for alternatives Apr 08 13:24:37 All google product do similar Apr 08 13:25:21 i am not sure which addons you are struggling to find replacements for. Apr 08 13:25:27 and there is really little choice, either mainline 2-3 engines, or some incomplete-specs-that-dont-render-web2x Apr 08 13:25:38 swb: all of the mentioned ones Apr 08 13:26:02 it's a list that evolved with me for many years Apr 08 13:27:04 i miss toggleDocumentColors the most though, if i had to rate Apr 08 13:27:16 As i say CTR isn't going to happen you can just modify the userchrome file and use other plugins. Apr 08 13:27:29 the ones that are for quantum are quirky and not doing their job well Apr 08 13:27:58 noscript is available but i switched to privacybadger/umatrix Apr 08 13:29:30 btw. situation is similar to extras-devel Apr 08 13:29:49 user agent switching is possible i have that Apr 08 13:30:11 either you get useful software that's sometimes unsafe, or stick to old extras that's rarely updated Apr 08 13:31:26 i also had a list that has evolved from 3.x but I found replacements for 60% and oither solutions or drop the latter 40% Apr 08 14:02:36 I cannot use Firefox for my use case with a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad CPU, SATA SSD, and 8 or 16 GiB of main memory, never mind on a ThinkPad X40. Apr 08 14:05:22 Vivaldi still works well on my Core 2 computers, though. Apr 08 14:05:24 quantum runs ok on my 2 core laptop and spinning disk drive. Apr 08 14:06:32 sixwheeledbeast: With between 40 and 50 documents open at once? Apr 08 14:07:42 well no, you are not far off maximum resources with an email client and word processor open too. Apr 08 14:09:48 sixwheeledbeast: Now you know why I use Vivaldi instead of Firefox? Apr 08 14:10:54 50 documents is not a normal use case for your average desktop Apr 08 14:13:30 Many of these “documents” are actually applications with a Web front end, not normal documents. Apr 08 14:18:00 Incidentally: Trying to use an Android application to send an image via fax seems to be easier said than done. Scanbot claims to have this ability but this function seems to be broken. Apr 08 14:20:59 Also, who cares what is “normal” or average? Apr 08 14:22:41 Also, so far me not having superuser access to the Android OS installation on my LG G5 seems to not matter in practice. Apr 08 16:02:18 It is not about caring more about not expecting old tech to preform as good with new ideals. I can't believe anyone 15 years aog would have enough memory to open 50 documents full stop. nor expect to have to work on 50 documents at one time. Apr 08 16:26:38 < brolin_empey> "I cannot use Firefox for my use case ... never mind on a ThinkPad X40" - that's exactly where I'm using it. system has 1GB RAM. Apr 08 16:28:34 sicelo: Not relevant unless you have at least 40 documents open at once in Firefox. Apr 08 16:46:39 one thing i can't find is a way to make the default zoom be 80% instead of 100. i seem to recall it was there in older versions of FF Apr 08 16:47:35 * sicelo goes on to a search engine Apr 08 16:48:40 you change the pixel size Apr 08 16:48:45 just change default size ? Apr 08 16:48:49 nope Apr 08 16:48:49 text size Apr 08 16:48:52 change the pixel size Apr 08 16:49:01 x40 has low resolution of 1024x768 Apr 08 16:49:10 it has to be done at pixel render level Apr 08 16:49:32 forgot exact name but it has pixel/dot/size in it Apr 08 16:49:42 0.85 is fine for most pages in my case Apr 08 16:50:29 yes i think 0.85 would be good for me too. this one, perhaps? layout.css.devPixelsPerPx ? Apr 08 16:50:55 although it seems that will also affect FF's icons, etc. Apr 08 16:51:23 yup Apr 08 16:51:46 and affecting ui is a good thing too Apr 08 16:51:53 since it adds more screen estate Apr 08 16:56:09 Ctrl - shortcut isn't too hard to do each time if that's all you need? Apr 08 16:56:59 nah, too repetitive Apr 08 16:57:32 and with such small screen you would be resizing most pages Apr 08 16:59:10 yeah. Ctrl+- ends up being tedious. layout.css.devPixelsPerPx seems to be working good Apr 08 17:00:16 later in the year (hopefully) i can afford something with better cpu, ram, and screen, e.g. T460 :-/ Apr 08 17:01:13 look for dell e6440 Apr 08 17:01:17 those are really nice Apr 08 17:01:38 let me check. Apr 08 17:03:59 grab one with intel card and i5-4300M cpu, those are kinda sweet spots Apr 08 17:04:14 4310M is little bit better but also more rare Apr 08 17:04:31 weak point is display Apr 08 17:04:39 but watchable still Apr 08 17:04:44 and quite bright Apr 08 17:06:03 for the used prices i'm seeing (in South Africa), seems a thinkpad with 5th-7th gen core i5 is still better option Apr 08 17:06:18 but will keep checking. thanks for suggesting it Apr 08 17:07:55 i bought mine for ~200usd Apr 08 17:08:00 with 16gb of ram Apr 08 17:09:09 i'll check more sites around here. i'm not too choosy when it comes to screens Apr 08 17:09:59 and thinkpads usually come with U cpu Apr 08 17:10:07 which is nice for temps, but lower perf Apr 08 17:10:34 ie 1,7ghz vs 2.7ghz Apr 08 17:14:20 buying stuff on a shoestring budget can be hard :) ... all the options to weigh, etc. Apr 08 17:15:12 yeah Apr 08 17:15:34 my weight landed on that e6440 being cheap, yet powerfull enough Apr 08 17:15:59 how's the trackpoint experience on it? Apr 08 17:19:29 too touchy Apr 08 17:21:36 can't you set sensitivity? Apr 08 17:22:09 \yeah, but didnt bother yet Apr 08 17:22:19 using it with mouse most of the time Apr 08 17:22:26 as it's my tf2 machine Apr 08 17:22:27 :> Apr 08 17:22:59 team forteress? Apr 08 17:23:14 -e Apr 08 17:23:58 yup Apr 08 18:22:44 sicelo: KotCzarny: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07DPT2WK3/ref=sspa_dk_detail_7?psc=1 This fanless notebook computer looks very nice for the price but it is missing a Scroll Lock key and integrated Ethernet connectivity. Apr 08 18:30:53 i've never really had a chance to see how capable (or incapable) those processors are .. Apr 08 18:32:59 1.1ghz pentium? seriously Apr 08 18:33:05 although probably better than atom anyway Apr 08 18:33:14 for 400usd you can have quite capable machine Apr 08 18:33:48 or chromebook, if you insist on low power Apr 08 18:53:44 brolin_empey: i got a amazing lowpower fanless supermicro motherboard Apr 08 18:53:49 https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/atom/A2SDi-8C-HLN4F.cfm Apr 08 18:54:05 8 core atom , ~25W total draw with 2x dimms, 1x 2.5" 3TB and 1x 500GB NVMe Apr 08 18:55:40 buzz: what freq on cores? Apr 08 18:55:53 and what's the price Apr 08 18:56:15 https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97926/intel-atom-processor-c3758-16m-cache-up-to-2-20-ghz.html Apr 08 18:56:21 KotCzarny: -expensive- Apr 08 18:56:53 heh Apr 08 18:57:12 https://www.twp.nl/index.php?task=2&pid=MBD-A2SDI-8C-HLN4F-O&name=Supermicro-MBD-A2SDI-8C-HLN4F-O-mainboard Apr 08 18:57:20 420 ex tax Apr 08 18:57:21 :) Apr 08 18:57:43 not that nice then Apr 08 18:57:44 ;) Apr 08 19:00:07 its nice in that its ~xeon performance for ~atom powerdraw Apr 08 19:00:07 420 EUR? Apr 08 19:00:19 420 for motherboard + cpu yeah Apr 08 19:00:52 Is there a lower cost CPU that works with this motherboard? Apr 08 19:03:03 Yikes, XE says that 420 EUR is currently approximately 629 CAD. Apr 08 19:03:27 brolin_empey: the cpu is soldered on Apr 08 19:03:35 they do make 2core versions of the board though Apr 08 19:03:49 https://www.twp.nl/index.php?task=2&pid=MBD-A2SDI-2C-HLN4F-O&name=Supermicro-MBD-A2SDI-2C-HLN4F-O-mainboard Apr 08 19:03:52 200 eu ex Apr 08 19:04:21 16core version is 700 eu ex Apr 08 19:04:25 :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 09 03:00:03 2019