**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 23 02:59:57 2019 Apr 23 06:38:04 my head **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 23 07:42:34 2019 Apr 23 10:06:21 Great minds think alike. Apr 23 10:08:07 ~factinfo docsnack Apr 23 10:08:07 error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) Apr 23 10:08:07 docsnack -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Aug 12 21:47:11 2010 (3175 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by sixwheeledbeast, 1m 10s ago. Apr 23 10:09:01 no idea about the error. i am likely doing it wrong Apr 23 10:09:16 no, its a bug Apr 23 10:09:22 oh Apr 23 10:10:17 the action gets enabled by the config flag but the error msg doesn't get blocked Apr 23 10:18:42 ~+chanset _default Apr 23 10:18:42 Default channel settings Apr 23 10:18:42 BZFlag => 1, Debian => 1, DebianExtra => 1, Dict => 1, Exchange => 1, Factoids => 1, HTTPDtype => 1, Kernel => 1, Math => 1, Plug => 1, Quote => 1, RootWarn => 1, Rss => 1, Search => 1, Topic => 1, Units => 1, Uptime => 1, UserInfo => 1, Weather => 1, Zippy => 1, addressCharacter => ~, allowConv => 1, allowTelling => 1, botmail => 1, case => 1 Apr 23 10:18:42 chanlimitcheckPlus => 60, cookie => 1, countdown => 1, debian => 1, debianRefreshInterval => 7, dice => 1, dns => 1, exchange => 1, factoidArguments => 1, factoidDeleteDelay => 7, factoidPreventForgetLimit => 100, factoidPreventForgetLimitTime => 180000, factoidSearch => _default, floodMessages => 10:30, floodRepeat => 2:10, freshmeat => 1 Apr 23 10:18:43 insult => 1, ircTextCounters => heh hah :) ? hi lol, joinfloodCheck => 1, karma => 1, lart => 1, limitcheckInterval => 60, limitcheckPlus => 60, log => 1, maxListReplyCount => 30, md5 => 1, minVolunteerLength => 50, newsDefaultExpire => 7, newsKeepRead => 1, newsNotifyAll => 1, nickometer => 1, pager => 1, piglatin => 1, randomFactoidInterval => 60, reverse => 1 Apr 23 10:18:43 rss => 1, scramble => 1, sed => 1, seen => 1, seenFlushInterval => 120, seenMaxDays => 900, seenStats => 1, seenStoreAll => 1, sendPublicLimitBytes => 1000, slashdot => 1, spell => 1, tell => 1, translate => 1, upsidedown => 1, verstats => 0, wikipedia => 1, wtf => 1, zfi => 1, zsi => 1 Apr 23 10:20:34 ooh, this is about user flags, not channel settings Apr 23 10:34:42 ~+chanset #maemo Apr 23 10:34:42 chan: #maemo (see _default also) Apr 23 10:34:42 _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default Apr 23 10:35:30 ooh sed enabled? Apr 23 10:36:00 s/e/E/g Apr 23 10:36:00 DocScrutinizer51 meant: ooh sEd EnablEd? Apr 23 10:39:20 DocScrutinizer51 Apr 23 10:39:31 s/i/e/g Apr 23 10:39:31 sicelo meant: DocScrutenezer51 Apr 23 10:40:25 s/e/E/ Apr 23 10:40:26 DocScrutinizer51 meant: ooh sEd enabled? Apr 23 10:40:38 s/e/E/2 Apr 23 10:41:17 s/e/E/ Apr 23 10:41:17 DocScrutinizer51 meant: s/E/E/2 Apr 23 10:41:23 ;-P Apr 23 10:41:43 heh @KotCzarny Apr 23 10:50:54 my N900 is on its way out. digitizer has some dead areas towards the top right corner. Apr 23 10:51:23 eeew Apr 23 10:51:48 with phone in landscape, pressing 2 or 5 in the Phone application doesn't work, even though the blue 'clicked' effect appears. Apr 23 10:52:28 to enter 2 or 5 i have to press slightly to the left of the digit, somewhere between 1 & 2 Apr 23 10:52:29 now that is strange Apr 23 10:54:04 you might want to read out raw X/Y/pendown values and compare to the actual physical input Apr 23 10:55:35 i don't know how to do that, but what i tried was to draw straight vertical lines, and see what happeens - in the affected area, the cursor jumps towards the right, leaving a zig-zag drawn line. Apr 23 11:08:54 https://paste.pics/ae06075b7da6e5b298f87bebab55dec3 ... these lines were all expected to be straight Apr 23 11:11:06 fake sed. Apr 23 11:11:13 s/./fake/ Apr 23 11:11:13 Maxdamantus meant: fake sedfake Apr 23 11:39:34 I thought my N900 had a faulty digitizer at one point, I found out the screen protector had worn out and was interfering with the screen. Replaced it and had no issues since. Apr 23 11:41:05 i replaced my protector as well. seems i have permanent damage. although i've wondered if flex cable could cause this. i don't have another to test Apr 23 11:49:49 sicelo: I guess your digitizer's separator oil got rancid Apr 23 11:51:23 or the outer plastic film got worn out and has dents and buckles Apr 23 12:35:12 I suppose symptoms of main flex could vary. I had more of a display issue than digitizer issues when my ribbon failed. Apr 23 12:35:20 ~fix-ribbon Apr 23 12:35:34 ~fixribbon Apr 23 12:35:35 it has been said that fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171 Apr 23 15:07:17 sicelo: I had screen problems too, but towards top left corner. It went so bad that I couldn't select number 1 in lock screen if phone was in landscape mode. Apr 23 15:08:19 also if I played with scetch and if I touch certain points near top left corner it draw straight line toward corner Apr 23 15:08:36 also I* Apr 23 15:09:53 affected area was about 3cm quarter circle. Top left corner being center Apr 23 16:08:27 flexribbon unrelated Apr 23 16:11:36 when >>it draw straight line toward corner<< then your digitizer "has a short" aka a bogus erroneous touchpoint *at the origin* of such line Apr 23 16:12:28 that's why I suggested printing out raw numeric event values Apr 23 16:13:01 Though I guess "there is an app for it" ;-) Apr 23 16:13:17 ~pkg Apr 23 16:13:17 well, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Apr 23 16:16:13 http://maemo.org/packages/view/meegotouch-demos-plainqt/ maybe? no faintest idea Apr 23 16:17:00 worse regarding "NFC": http://maemo.org/packages/view/meegotouch-examples/ Apr 23 19:40:31 Good day and good health Gentlemen Apr 23 19:43:06 is there a set of operating instructions on-line somewhere for the nokia N900 ? any one knows about Apr 23 19:59:56 One does not simply operate an N900 Apr 23 20:00:10 no doubt Apr 23 20:00:40 can not scare an n900 with a hammer and screwdriver either - but must learn somewhere Apr 23 20:01:03 I assume you have acquired a device and are looking for guidance? Apr 23 20:01:28 ? cursing allowed on here i can give affirmations Apr 23 20:02:03 i sir, am after more knowledge than just jumping onto it cold Apr 23 20:02:48 finger fiddling (Not the phrase i'd like to use) does not gain me much Apr 23 20:04:02 Well ask away? It depends what you are trying to do? There are likely "official operating instructions" but they are unlikely to be very helpful in 2019 Apr 23 20:04:19 yes - i have acquired an N900 Apr 23 20:05:51 Ok if you don't need anything I would suggest you reflash the device to a clean start. Therefore you have fresh unmodified Maemo. Then i would install the community updates AKA CSSU Apr 23 20:05:55 seemed like a "Full Box" of the set -telephone and equipment to go with all the slots in the box - everything there but the booklet Apr 23 20:06:46 ok- Apr 23 20:07:20 wmo is your friend, you can also ask specific questions here, it's fairly active. Apr 23 20:07:22 ~wmo Apr 23 20:07:22 [wmo] http://wiki.maemo.org Apr 23 20:07:24 laughing as i ask - hold one finger here, one here, one here, then wiggle while pushing buttons Apr 23 20:07:49 ~flashing Apr 23 20:07:49 extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Apr 23 20:08:03 ~lazyflashing Apr 23 20:08:03 it has been said that lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Apr 23 20:09:17 ^ thank you for the above kind sir Apr 23 20:09:28 perhaps someday i can return the favor Apr 23 20:11:02 My one global tip when it comes to N900 and Maemo is less is more. The more extras software "applications" you install the more likely your device will become slow like molasses. Keep your applications to what you need basically. Apr 23 20:11:15 goodly number of names here on your userlist - is the channel very active ? Apr 23 20:11:57 fairly by the regulars, lots of idlers Apr 23 20:12:01 yes sir - most OS run faster - the lighter you allow them to be Apr 23 20:13:14 Also maemo is not your standard Debian distro don't expect to be running apt from a terminal to install packages without having dependency mayhem. Apr 23 20:13:23 ~ham Apr 23 20:13:24 ham is, like, Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham Apr 23 20:13:30 ~speedyham Apr 23 20:13:33 [speedyham] 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. Apr 23 20:15:43 yes sir - i do recall when windows ruined tons of thinking when nokia changed routes with operating systems Apr 23 20:17:12 i was fortunate to grab this Piece of History/antiquity a year or so ago ,, and have not had a chance to play with it Apr 23 20:18:20 a few query's here and there, got me a few basics , but no real hints what not to do first off Apr 23 20:18:35 m14ed: s|history/antiquity|the future| Apr 23 20:18:40 very familiar with freenode / Apr 23 20:19:16 sicelo: ? sorry sir - explain Apr 23 20:19:42 nokia n900 purchased for $20 usd Apr 23 20:20:11 future ? play with it and enjoy - like a kid with a toy Apr 23 20:20:50 i'm saying the N900, at least tosome of us, doesn't represent the past. it represents the future ... we will be taking them to the future with us, as long as they last Apr 23 20:21:29 * sicelo is typing/reading this on N900 at this very moment Apr 23 20:21:38 oh - yes sir - almost forgot what a n900 was between them being released back when and my purchase last year Apr 23 20:22:40 Yep I am not planning on using any other device but I will be made up if we get a modern browser in the foreseeable future. Apr 23 20:23:15 browsers are the current pain of most linux users is it not Apr 23 20:23:30 it/they = browsers Apr 23 20:24:06 ~closed Apr 23 20:24:07 closed is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900, or https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo Apr 23 20:24:28 is one issue. Apr 23 20:24:53 yes - am aware of software shutdown sites and such Apr 23 20:26:06 dial nokia - nobody home - Apr 23 20:27:56 you never know a tarball from some old nokia employee may appear... Apr 23 20:28:39 truth is stranger than fiction Apr 23 20:30:46 old farts have a tendency not giving up things and ideas that work - instance IRC - tincans and string Apr 23 20:37:09 Gentlemen - Apr 23 20:37:22 thank you for the help you have given - Apr 23 20:37:46 good luck and good health - Apr 23 20:38:03 hope to return **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 24 02:59:57 2019