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Apr 24 12:06:08 <brolin_empey> LTE/LTE-A is the future.  N900 != LTE.  Also, m14ed already left but not everyone here is male.
Apr 24 12:10:26 <auenf> and not all of the males here are gentlemen?
Apr 24 12:18:55 <sixwheeledbeast> LTE isn't the future
Apr 24 12:19:08 <sixwheeledbeast> ~gender
Apr 24 12:19:08 <infobot> I'm pregnant
Apr 24 12:20:13 <brolin_empey> infobot: Pregnant?
Apr 24 12:20:13 <infobot> Yes, brolin_empey, and it's your child.
Apr 24 12:21:25 <brolin_empey> That reply would not make sense if I was female.
Apr 24 12:23:16 <brolin_empey> Unless it means that infobot wants to give her child to a woman who asks if infobot is pregnant.
Apr 24 13:56:29 <DocScrutinizer05> a very polite and friendly person, this m14ed
Apr 24 13:59:20 <DocScrutinizer05> well, infobot's gender is a miracle for modern science, seems to be undetermined like status of Schroedinger's cat
Apr 24 13:59:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ~attack brolin_empey
Apr 24 13:59:48 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing brolin_empey
Apr 24 14:00:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~rape brolin_empey
Apr 24 14:00:06 * infobot takes brolin_empey behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams
Apr 24 14:00:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ~gender
Apr 24 14:00:56 <infobot> I'm gay
Apr 24 14:01:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~gender
Apr 24 14:01:00 <infobot> I'm lesbian
Apr 24 14:01:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~gender
Apr 24 14:01:04 <infobot> I'm male
Apr 24 14:02:36 <Vajb> since when are gay and lesbian genders?
Apr 24 14:03:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ~useless
Apr 24 14:03:17 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(
Apr 24 14:03:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~silly
Apr 24 14:03:32 <infobot> silly is probably 'a good question, the answer to which is "yes, i am"'
Apr 24 14:03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ~stupid
Apr 24 14:03:47 <infobot> i heard stupid is http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif
Apr 24 14:14:24 <brolin_empey> WallMart != Walmart.
Apr 24 14:15:48 <brolin_empey> The “Wal” in “Walmart” is from the name of the founder of the company, Sam Walton, not from “wall”.
Apr 24 14:21:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, modem reboot and thus disconnect
Apr 24 14:22:46 <DocScrutinizer05> and that damn cablemodem is rebooting the 5th time now
Apr 24 14:23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> luckily I got a failover connection
Apr 24 14:26:11 <DocScrutinizer05> and next boot
Apr 24 14:29:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and next boot
Apr 24 14:30:31 * DocScrutinizer05 just wants to know how often that box of shit reboots when _not_ getting powercycled
Apr 24 14:33:11 * DocScrutinizer05 just wants to know how often that box of shit reboots when _not_ getting powercycledaaaand...???
Apr 24 14:33:22 <DocScrutinizer05> aaaand...?
Apr 24 14:33:36 <DocScrutinizer05> seems it stays
Apr 24 14:34:48 <DocScrutinizer05> after only 25 minutes and 8 boots
Apr 24 14:50:34 <sixwheeledbeast> ~insult infobot in bash
Apr 24 14:50:35 <infobot> infobot in bash is nothing but a fool-born mound of dread-bolted poop
Apr 24 14:54:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Apr 24 14:54:13 <infobot> - Uptime for purl -
Apr 24 14:54:13 <infobot> Now: 1d 17h 57m 2s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Apr 24 14:54:14 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Apr 24 14:54:14 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Apr 24 14:54:14 <infobot> 3: 53d 8h 24m 4s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Nov  7 05:34:20 2017
Apr 24 14:54:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+status
Apr 24 14:54:21 <infobot> Since Mon Apr 22 20:57:11 2019, there have been 2 modifications, 40 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 21 commands.  I have been awake for 1d 17h 57m 10s this session, and currently reference 119796 factoids.  I'm using about 87180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 163.28/29.51 child 0/0
Apr 24 14:55:20 <sixwheeledbeast> That reminds me i need a new UPS battery
Apr 24 14:55:23 <DocScrutinizer05> at least the failover and recovery works fine now
Apr 24 14:55:50 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm UPS battery... Should run a test eventually
Apr 24 14:56:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lf
Apr 24 14:56:19 <infobot> somebody said #maemo lazyflashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
Apr 24 14:58:14 <DocScrutinizer05> one thing's for sure: the vodafone "mediathek" (cable TV on demand / IPTV) isn't worth a single cent of its cost
Apr 24 14:59:33 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the whole cable-TV / IPTV is mere crap. If it wasn't for the 400/25 internet... 
Apr 24 15:01:00 <sixwheeledbeast> Most ISP's are bundling stuff like that now. It's hard to get VDSL without a TV package now
Apr 24 15:01:24 <DocScrutinizer05> modems that need 8 reboots when disabling bridge-mode... Series final of Elementary ran a week ago, no way to watch it again in mediathek
Apr 24 15:02:43 <DocScrutinizer05> EPG that doesn't knpw of program changes even if they are announced 48h in advance, a recorder that can't record stuff that's not listed in EPG (nice synergy in those two¡)
Apr 24 15:03:34 <sixwheeledbeast> I suppose that's the issue with DOCSIS you have no control over what modem they provide you, unlike VDSL. Tho you benefit from faster up and down.
Apr 24 15:03:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and every now and then the HDR simply reboots or locks up and needs power cycle
Apr 24 15:04:03 <DocScrutinizer05> DOCSIS is what causes the 8 modem reboots
Apr 24 15:04:11 <DocScrutinizer05> for nuttin
Apr 24 15:04:59 <DocScrutinizer05> so not really faster up/down
Apr 24 15:11:05 <sixwheeledbeast> The cable may be balanced incorrectly if it happens often. DOCSIS it fussy about line quality and having the correct filtering.
Apr 24 15:11:37 <sixwheeledbeast> Would have to moan to the ISP for an engineer to fix than.
Apr 24 15:14:25 <DocScrutinizer05> line equ works fine. The modem bails out after trying to config "VoIP"
Apr 24 15:15:18 <DocScrutinizer05> most likely on trying to set up friggin "homespot" which I explicitly opted out from
Apr 24 15:18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> took them 3 months and me ~20h of hotline calls to get my account/DOCSIS set up so it _never_ enables the damn AP in modem
Apr 24 15:19:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess they don't have that often, and they also are not very inclined to sell this featureset
Apr 24 15:19:52 <DocScrutinizer05> after all their homespot stuff only works when >99% of users participate
Apr 24 15:20:38 <DocScrutinizer05> thus they place a homespot AP into your flat even if you don't want any WLAN at all
Apr 24 15:20:53 <DocScrutinizer05> there _are no_ modems without AP
Apr 24 15:23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> https://zuhauseplus.vodafone.de/internet-telefon/wlan-hotspots/
Apr 24 15:23:58 <DocScrutinizer05> damn
Apr 24 15:25:21 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah https://hotspot.vodafone.de/hotspots.html
Apr 24 15:32:51 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: Can you get FttP service at your location?
Apr 24 15:33:21 <sixwheeledbeast> That seems to be an issue here with ISP's that are also cellular they offer guest WiFi via your internet that can't be switched off if you use there hardware
Apr 24 15:34:11 <DocScrutinizer05> brolin_empey: nope
Apr 24 15:35:28 <sixwheeledbeast> I need use any ISP provided kit where possible. DOCSIS is the most awkward to ditch the modem
Apr 24 15:35:35 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: yep, that's it. They clain you could switch it off via the web portal, but that's questionable
Apr 24 15:35:38 <sixwheeledbeast> s/need/never/
Apr 24 15:35:38 <infobot> sixwheeledbeast meant: I never use any ISP provided kit where possible. DOCSIS is the most awkward to ditch the modem
Apr 24 15:35:47 <brolin_empey> The Nokia media converter (correct term?) box my ISP (Telus in Canada) provided when I switched from ADSL at both my home and office seems to mostly work well.
Apr 24 15:37:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: you can't even find the credentials to use their VoIP, "only via DOCSIS, even when you use your own Fritzbox Cablemodem-router"
Apr 24 15:37:34 <brolin_empey> At both places I use my own gateway instead of using a gateway provided by the ISP.
Apr 24 15:37:52 <DocScrutinizer05> gateway?
Apr 24 15:38:33 * DocScrutinizer05 now needs to set up some VPN to finaly re-establish a way to "dial in" from internet
Apr 24 15:38:53 <DocScrutinizer05> no IP with this cable service
Apr 24 15:39:06 <sixwheeledbeast> Ah I see we still have POTS when you have DOCSIS here
Apr 24 15:39:15 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, cgNAT with no open ports inbound
Apr 24 15:39:43 <DocScrutinizer05> POTS is dead here
Apr 24 15:39:48 <brolin_empey> DocScrutinizer05: Yes, WAN↔LAN gateway, commonly known as a “router” but I use formal terms, not common usage.
Apr 24 15:39:58 <DocScrutinizer05> even Telekom uses tripleplay
Apr 24 15:40:42 <DocScrutinizer05> not even ISDN anymore
Apr 24 15:41:07 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW with a power outage, no more phone >:-(
Apr 24 15:41:26 <DocScrutinizer05> nowhere. Nada
Apr 24 15:42:11 * DocScrutinizer05 wants to shoot the dude who allowed this concept
Apr 24 15:42:30 <sixwheeledbeast> ISDN and POTS are dying here for xDSL connections EOL in 2025. It's not certain how it will be implemented tho.
Apr 24 15:42:52 <sixwheeledbeast> however POTS may stay on DOCSIS connections
Apr 24 15:43:08 <brolin_empey> At least in my part of Canada (Metro Vancouver, British Columbia), the cellular network is still up while the electric mains is down.
Apr 24 15:43:31 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, for a while
Apr 24 15:44:53 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe the dwindling number of cellular phones with charged battery mitigates the service breakdown from clogging
Apr 24 15:45:46 <DocScrutinizer05> but then, the BTS batteries also only last a maybe 12 or max 24h
Apr 24 15:45:57 <brolin_empey> I can power my handheld computer from my car while the electric mains is down.
Apr 24 15:47:18 <sixwheeledbeast> The idea behind killing POTS is so the exchanges can be made smaller and have no batteries that need maintaining
Apr 24 15:48:21 <brolin_empey> I can also keep spare charged batteries because I only use handheld computers with an easily removable battery.
Apr 24 15:48:39 <buZz> :)
Apr 24 15:48:49 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, why batteries in exchanges when no customer can operate their "gateway" any more ;-D
Apr 24 15:48:53 <buZz> i just bought a new lipo from aliexpress for a 2007 Zipit Z2
Apr 24 15:48:55 <buZz> \o/
Apr 24 15:49:12 <buZz> the newoldstock batteries are barely 100mAh left of the original 1200mAh
Apr 24 15:50:28 <brolin_empey> I remember when Zipit was a Windows application similar to WinZip.
Apr 24 15:50:36 <buZz> :)
Apr 24 15:50:53 <buZz> zipit wireless is a US company , making 'medical messengers'
Apr 24 15:51:04 <buZz> but back in early 2k they dabbled in making kids toys
Apr 24 15:52:20 <brolin_empey> Yes, I remember reading about a Zipit computer running GNU+Linux years ago;  I guess it was the Z2 that you mentioned.
Apr 24 15:55:07 <buZz> the Z2 nowadays can run mainline linux
Apr 24 15:55:29 <buZz> but just 32MB ram so we're using openwrt as distro ;)
Apr 24 15:56:32 <brolin_empey> Is that the same amount of main memory as the PlayStation 2 has?
Apr 24 15:58:14 <buZz> but PS2 has another 4MB of video ram next to it
Apr 24 15:59:44 <brolin_empey> Yes, I checked Wikipedia and see that my memory was accurate that the PlayStation 2 has 32 MiB of main memory.
Apr 24 16:01:17 <brolin_empey> I recall that a late IBM PS/2 model supports up to at least 64 MiB of main memory, more than the Sony PS2.
Apr 24 16:01:57 <buZz> :)
Apr 24 16:02:04 <buZz> could very well be yeah :D
Apr 24 16:02:12 <sixwheeledbeast> If you have a UPS in theory you would still be fine. Most people would not.
Apr 24 16:02:14 <buZz> i bet the PS2 devkits also had more ram
Apr 24 16:05:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sixwheeledbeast: there's one gremlin in UPS here: the cable signal amp down in cellar which will cut me off from cable
Apr 24 16:06:20 * DocScrutinizer05 got reminded to run a mains supply cable from first floor down to that damn amp
Apr 24 16:07:33 <sixwheeledbeast> only a small gremlin tho
Apr 24 16:07:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, very small and very close, all the more very annoying too
Apr 24 20:31:11 <brolin_empey> Apparently an inkjet printer with automatic duplex printing does exist as a COTS product after all.  Interesting but I still prefer laser printers.
Apr 24 20:33:28 <brolin_empey> Is there a dot-matrix impact printer with automatic duplex printing?
Apr 24 21:59:59 <brolin_empey> Heh, my ISP sent my company a paper cheque for 3.72 CAD.
Apr 24 23:39:13 <r00t-home> brolin_empey: shoouldn't the question pretty much be "was there", for dot-matrix printers?
Apr 24 23:41:43 <brolin_empey> r00t-home: No, it should be present tense because dot-matrix impact printers are still used and produced but have been largely replaced by inkjet and laser printers for home/consumer usage.
Apr 24 23:42:16 <r00t-home> ok, right
Apr 24 23:43:01 <r00t-home> but it seems would guess it's more likely that one was being produced in the past than one being produced now
Apr 24 23:43:19 <r00t-home> s/would guess it's//
Apr 24 23:43:19 <infobot> r00t-home meant: but it seems  more likely that one was being produced in the past than one being produced now
Apr 25 00:04:32 <brolin_empey> Dot-matrix impact printers are still produced because businesses still use them because they still have advantages over laser and inkjet printers, such as the abilities to print on continuous paper and to print on multiple sheets of paper at once, which is useful for forms.  Colour dot-matrix impact printers may have been discontinued but I do not know if those were ever popular with business users in the first place.
Apr 25 00:06:43 <r00t-home> until recently my dentist had one at the receoption to fill multi-sheet forms, yes
Apr 25 00:07:27 <r00t-home> but still it seems more likely that a duplex one was produced when they were state of the art for office use, than now when they are much less common
Apr 25 00:12:57 <brolin_empey> Also, current dot-matrix impact printers may still be able to print by being sent plain text instead of having to use a page description language such as PCL or PostScript.  Also, businesses often use legacy software, such as DOS applications designed to print to a dot-matrix impact printer, such as the IBM/Epson Graphics de-facto standard printer that is supported by all versions of Windows from Windows 1.01 in 1985 to Windows 10 (client edition of Windows 
Apr 25 00:12:57 <brolin_empey> NT 10) in 2015.
Apr 25 00:15:06 <brolin_empey> Is it Epson?
Apr 25 00:18:50 <brolin_empey> I think dot-matrix impact printers are still common in some commercial or industrial environments.
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