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May 17 03:41:33 <Oksana> brolin_empey: Point is, it's a fairly complicated process to debug. I am fairly sure that there are lots of students at this university who (I think) speak Chinese, and could potentially ask Qicent about the problem - just, I am not sure what Qicent would say. Would it be "Oh, we send you a refund" or "We send you another hub" or a technical talk about details of the problem?
May 17 03:52:29 * Oksana is hoping that Linux kernel is 4.6 or higher - and wonders if reinstalling/upgrading firmware of Renesas PCIe card could help
May 17 03:58:49 <DocScrutinizer05> wireguard not ready for primetime is what they told me
May 17 04:01:38 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27200
May 17 04:01:39 <infobot> i guess bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2, or ~bq27
May 17 04:01:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bq27
May 17 04:01:58 <infobot> methinks bq27 is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/
May 17 04:03:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I doubt a 2% are BQ's fault. Prolly powerkernel, CSSU-thumb, whatever
May 17 04:07:22 <DocScrutinizer05> Konversation drives me nuts!!! resizes userlist to "hidden" every so often, without me ever noticing why and when
May 17 04:10:45 <slobber> how do i know which firmware is right for my n900? i tried the US one, no cellular network available. Tried the global one, same thing
May 17 04:10:57 <slobber> reflashed with emmc
May 17 04:14:51 <DocScrutinizer05> you generally use the global firmware. US is rarely known to be needed. You might need full reflash 
May 17 04:15:01 <slobber> full reflash, huh?
May 17 04:15:10 <slobber> i did both emmc and the, uh, other one
May 17 04:15:12 <slobber> in that order
May 17 04:15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing
May 17 04:15:15 <infobot> i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing
May 17 04:15:40 <slobber> i did use the global firmwares from cloud-7.de
May 17 04:15:50 <slobber> alright, maybe i'll try flashing it again using those
May 17 04:15:54 <DocScrutinizer05> you should use the lazyflashing
May 17 04:16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> script
May 17 04:16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> might be necessary to remove SIM
May 17 04:16:53 <slobber> remove sim during flashing?
May 17 04:16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 17 04:17:23 <slobber> ok, time to try that
May 17 04:17:27 <DocScrutinizer05> a few reports suggested SIM causing trouble when flashing modem
May 17 04:17:54 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't the script mention that?
May 17 04:18:08 <slobber> doesn't seem like it
May 17 04:18:30 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, use the script, exactly follow instructions
May 17 04:19:24 <DocScrutinizer05> try to copy & paste the full diagnostic output of lazyflashing script to some pastebin
May 17 04:20:10 <DocScrutinizer05> read the full flashing wikipage
May 17 04:23:29 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, and make sure your battery is fully charged!
May 17 04:23:49 <slobber> yup, been charging it all day
May 17 04:23:56 <DocScrutinizer05> even than some old worn batteries might simply be too weak for operating the modem 
May 17 04:24:03 <DocScrutinizer05> then*
May 17 04:24:17 <slobber> doesn't seem to drain too fast
May 17 04:24:28 <DocScrutinizer05> it's about impedance
May 17 04:24:35 <DocScrutinizer05> not capacity
May 17 04:24:41 <slobber> right
May 17 04:25:08 <DocScrutinizer05> might run 7 days and yet drop to a less than 3V when modem draws >2A
May 17 04:30:20 <slobber> same error still, damn
May 17 04:30:41 <slobber> it doesn't show that sign of missing sim card though
May 17 04:34:09 <slobber> ah, yeah, in the settings it can't find a network when i make it manual
May 17 04:34:36 <slobber> oh no here we go it found it
May 17 04:34:46 <slobber> but 2g, and ATT doesn't do 2g so something is lying
May 17 04:41:00 <DocScrutinizer05> well, the supported bands are not covering 100% of USA (concluding from 'ATT' and firmware choice)
May 17 04:41:39 <slobber> hmmm, that's right, ATT is shutting off some of its 3g bands
May 17 04:41:46 <slobber> this may be a huge waste of time
May 17 04:43:12 <DocScrutinizer05> well, at least I think another device proven to technically being OK and in working condition
May 17 04:43:42 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe get a TMO SIM?
May 17 04:44:00 <slobber> i have a huge grandfathered dicsount with ATT, so might as well keep it
May 17 04:44:06 <slobber> shame!
May 17 04:44:12 <DocScrutinizer05> or whatever needed at your location
May 17 04:45:05 <slobber> i heard a lot of these are having failing modems - how does that usually present itself?
May 17 04:45:36 <DocScrutinizer05> first asl a friend or in shop to try your N900 with their SIM
May 17 04:45:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ask*
May 17 04:45:51 <slobber> that requires having friends
May 17 04:45:59 <slobber> i'll ask around
May 17 04:49:31 <DocScrutinizer05> failing modem... has a number of symptoms. *#06# not working anymore (communication to modem broken or modem not coming up). Or no network found (antenna or the RF part of modem broken)
May 17 04:57:35 <brolin_empey> slobber: The N900 cellular modem cannot be used with two of the three major, established cellular providers in Canada.  Maybe the situation in the USA is similar and the N900 cellular modem cannot be used with your cellular provider.  I live in Canada but very close to the USA.
May 17 05:03:19 <brolin_empey> Oksana: The version of the Linux kernel on my home computer and office computer is NaN because I use GNU+Windows NT, currently Windows 10 Enterprise for x86-64, instead of GNU+Linux on my primary computers.
May 17 05:03:54 <brolin_empey> Or the version is undefined?
May 17 05:08:28 <DocScrutinizer05> Not a Number?
May 17 05:17:59 <brolin_empey> Yes.
May 17 05:30:41 <slobber> brolin_empey: so you don't use your n900 as a phone, i presume?
May 17 05:31:40 <slobber> DocScrutinizer05: *#06# works. maybe it's the antenna?
May 17 05:32:02 <slobber> >My guess would be that there isn't any discussion here as it lacks the 3G frequencies used by at&t (850/1900 mhz).  It will work on at&t, but only on GSM/GPRS(Edge). Smiley Sad
May 17 05:32:09 <slobber> your thoughts are confirmed though
May 17 05:33:35 <brolin_empey> slobber: I use the one major, established cellular provider in Canada with which the N900 cellular modem works but I stopped using an N900 in 2014 because my N900 user experience was too bad.
May 17 05:34:14 <slobber> ah, i see
May 17 05:36:03 <brolin_empey> Currently I use Android OS 8 on an LG G5.
May 17 05:36:20 <slobber> android is pretty sad, i'm over it
May 17 05:37:03 <Oksana> brolin_empey: I know Windows, I know Linux, I don't know what GNU could mean in context of OS/kernel ?..
May 17 05:38:51 <brolin_empey> slobber: Maybe you can use BlackBerry 10 if you like minority, legacy platforms and difficult to access/remove batteries?
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May 17 15:45:54 <slobber> brolin_empey: maybe
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