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Jun 06 04:21:29 <sunshavi> Hi docscrutinizer51: If I would like to use a couple of batteries {one a polarcell and the other a chinese battery} after doing the charge-cycle y could store the values for reusing it later. When putting the other brand battery? and not repeating the charg-cycle again
Jun 06 05:15:29 <sicelo> afaik that's not possible.
Jun 06 05:18:23 <sunshavi> Hi sicelo
Jun 06 05:18:31 <sunshavi> mmm. too bad for me
Jun 06 05:19:25 <sunshavi> anyway. I am going to do it now. my phone (now table without modem working). It has been waiting for me almost a month fully charged
Jun 06 05:20:17 <sunshavi> sicelo: is this the procedure?
Jun 06 05:20:17 <sunshavi> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846
Jun 06 05:21:26 <sicelo> yes
Jun 06 05:28:07 <sunshavi> sicelo: thanks. I am going to do it
Jun 06 05:35:37 <sunshavi> i was thinking it's juist one cycle. But they are five
Jun 06 05:40:10 <KotCzarny> or just use it and stop worrying about it?
Jun 06 05:41:21 <sunshavi> as it is the device turn off without any notification. I need it to tell me when it have 5% capacity
Jun 06 05:43:07 <KotCzarny> let it turn off few times, and charge, it will calibrate on use?
Jun 06 05:44:59 <sunshavi> It has not happened in the past
Jun 06 05:45:42 <KotCzarny> you probably need to be careful when it goes down to ~10% then
Jun 06 05:46:08 <KotCzarny> then do the correct discharge end and start charging before it powersoff itself
Jun 06 05:46:26 <KotCzarny> ie. try not to induce high usage below 10%
Jun 06 05:47:04 <sunshavi> "correct discharge" is with "bq27200.sh"?
Jun 06 05:47:10 <KotCzarny> yeah
Jun 06 05:47:32 <KotCzarny> just to observe when it triggers cycle end
Jun 06 05:48:06 <sunshavi> ok. btw my new phone is a nokia 1208b from 2007. :)
Jun 06 05:48:35 <KotCzarny> huh :)
Jun 06 05:48:41 <sicelo> and my daily is a Nokia N-Gage from 2003 (plus the N900)
Jun 06 05:48:49 <sicelo> :P
Jun 06 05:49:13 <sunshavi> sicelo: that's is my case now the n900-tablet and the 1208
Jun 06 05:49:15 <KotCzarny> if you are going feature phone, why not 3310 ? ;)
Jun 06 05:49:30 <sunshavi> 3310-2017 edition?
Jun 06 05:49:35 <KotCzarny> nope, the original
Jun 06 05:49:36 <sunshavi> or the classic one?
Jun 06 05:50:14 <sunshavi> well. That would be nice. But the 2017 edition has 16 Gb mem anb bt ;)
Jun 06 05:50:44 <KotCzarny> bah, it's still a feature phone ;)
Jun 06 05:51:12 <sunshavi> the most important piece for me is the keyboard
Jun 06 05:51:51 <sunshavi> even the 1208 (which I have just undusted) has a nice keyboard and has snake also
Jun 06 05:51:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 05:52:16 <sunshavi> my 3310 was a CDMA :(
Jun 06 05:53:05 <sunshavi> three days of battery life on my 1208 on the bright side
Jun 06 05:53:28 <KotCzarny> a bit low for a feature phone?
Jun 06 05:53:39 <KotCzarny> unless it runs droid?
Jun 06 05:53:41 <sunshavi> so n900 guys be jealous of me. :p. It is just a joke
Jun 06 05:54:11 <sunshavi> lol. droid on the 1208?. it does not have a usb conn
Jun 06 05:54:23 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 05:54:26 <sunshavi> reading sms on it. it's a pain
Jun 06 05:54:40 <sunshavi> I miss conversations
Jun 06 05:54:59 <KotCzarny> yeah, it was nice invention
Jun 06 05:55:10 <KotCzarny> to sort sms by recipient
Jun 06 05:55:52 <sunshavi> but the thing i like most about the 1208 it's the dpad. Nokia should had kept it on the n900
Jun 06 05:56:05 <sicelo> 3310 - cdma? well it worked on our non-cdma network here
Jun 06 05:56:51 <sunshavi> 3310 was in two versions CDMA and GSM
Jun 06 06:00:21 <sunshavi> OMG. 1 am here. See You later guys
Jun 06 06:00:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 06 07:38:46 <KotCzarny> https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/06/06/software-development-librem-5-pinephone-linux-phones/
Jun 06 07:39:01 <KotCzarny> darn, 150$ mainline linux phone?
Jun 06 07:39:25 <KotCzarny> what's not to like
Jun 06 08:22:21 <sixwheeledbeast> no keyboard
Jun 06 08:22:38 <KotCzarny> i think they have kb as a dock or something
Jun 06 08:25:57 <KotCzarny> hrm
Jun 06 08:26:12 <KotCzarny> or maybe it was for their laptop thing
Jun 06 08:26:39 <KotCzarny> yeah. no hwkb is an issue, still nice for software side
Jun 06 09:03:21 <brolin_empey> Why do credit card companies have such lame and crappy Web sites for their customers?  Sigh.
Jun 06 09:07:28 <Maxdamantus> Why would anyone use a credit card anyway?
Jun 06 09:13:57 <brolin_empey> Because the alternative is Interac, which allows someone to directly withdraw money from my chequeing account when someone skims the PIN for my account.
Jun 06 09:15:04 <Maxdamantus> Can't you just get a visa debit card from your bank?
Jun 06 09:15:52 <brolin_empey> I dislike using cash.  I like electronic commerce.
Jun 06 09:16:50 <Maxdamantus> So using a debit card counts as using cash?
Jun 06 09:17:23 <mickname> My visa credit card is managed through my banks web site, which is pretty ok.
Jun 06 09:17:50 <Maxdamantus> When I say "visa debit card", I mean something that people might simply refer to as a "credit card"
Jun 06 09:18:45 <brolin_empey> I do not think I can and I use a credit union, not a bank.  In my experience, a normal credit card is still required because some merchants still do not accept Visa Debit.  I know this because my company has a Visa Debit card but they sometimes have to use my personal credit card account because Visa Debit is not always accepted.
Jun 06 09:18:46 <mickname> And yeah, makes sense to always use credit instead of debit as of crouse it's better to pay everythiong as late as possible as the money can be invested ;)
Jun 06 09:19:02 <Maxdamantus> but the point is it just takes money out of your bank account, instead of using some balance in some third-party company that needs to make a profit off you, through high interest rates or fees or something.
Jun 06 09:20:16 <Maxdamantus> afaik interest rates on credit cards are much higher than, eg, mortgage interest rates.
Jun 06 09:20:36 <brolin_empey> Maxdamantus: I began writing my reply before I received your reply.
Jun 06 09:20:49 <Maxdamantus> so if you want to invest that money, you'd be better off just withholding it from something else (eg, your mortgage, if you have one).
Jun 06 09:21:52 <mickname> I mean I'm paying my credit card bill off in full every time, I just need to pay for my expenses ~month later than what I actually purchased them on, so that money can be used for useful purposes meanwhile
Jun 06 09:22:33 <KotCzarny> it's a trap.
Jun 06 09:22:44 <mickname> The expenses from the credit card are thus ~3 eur / month, which would be the same as a plain credit card anyways
Jun 06 09:22:52 <KotCzarny> while many people will use it reasonably, it's a trap for dumber/weaker ones
Jun 06 09:23:19 <mickname> Yeah, I wouldn't recommend that if you don't have regular income
Jun 06 09:23:47 <KotCzarny> it's a disease that will eat up parts of the body (society)
Jun 06 09:24:00 <KotCzarny> and in the end it will affect even the reasonable ones
Jun 06 09:24:26 <brolin_empey> I do not own anything more valuable than my car.  (Residential) real estate is completely unaffordable to buy here.
Jun 06 09:24:47 <Maxdamantus> Assuming mortgage rates are about 4%, €3/month is equivalent to keeping an extra €1000 in the bank instead of paying it into the mortgage.
Jun 06 09:25:36 <Maxdamantus> well, €900
Jun 06 09:26:20 <Maxdamantus> so unless you're using it for a buffer of more than €900, it's probably not worth it.
Jun 06 09:26:47 <Maxdamantus> or unless you can't get a card in other ways without paying an extra fee.
Jun 06 09:27:18 <Maxdamantus> afaik debit visa cards are normally just a standard thing you get with a bank account here.
Jun 06 09:27:24 <mickname> Yeah it's not "really" worth it, but it costs the same as a regular debit card so no point of not taking use of it
Jun 06 09:29:13 <mickname> And I used average yearly returns on investment of 7% and 1000 eur of balance on average on the card.
Jun 06 09:32:13 <Maxdamantus> I wonder why the credit card company doesn't just invest that money then.
Jun 06 09:32:57 <mickname> There are enough people at their limit only paying off the minimum amount at 10% yearly interest
Jun 06 09:33:35 <mickname> And they take a huge slice of every purchase anyways
Jun 06 09:34:12 <mickname> (One reason I actually disliek credit cards is the hidden tranaction fees. I feel bad for the merchants of how much they lose on each purchase...)
Jun 06 09:35:39 <Maxdamantus> from what I've seen of online stores here, they tend to just add the 2.5% to the price if you pay by visa card (instead of eg, bank transfer)
Jun 06 09:36:43 <mickname> At least some of the cc companies and for example paypal forbid doing that. Some merchants circumvent that by giving you a -2% if you purchase using some other method :)
Jun 06 09:37:08 <mickname> So I haven't seen that practice around...
Jun 06 09:38:43 <mickname> If I actually had to pay more using a cc, I probably wouldn't use it at all. Maybe for the insurance some times.
Jun 06 09:42:27 <mickname> Oh well, that kind of insurance doesn't seem to be universal for credit cards and it's also available when paying with debit :|
Jun 06 09:43:47 <KotCzarny> visa/mastercard are greedy
Jun 06 09:44:00 <KotCzarny> their prices for transactions go steadily up
Jun 06 09:44:31 <KotCzarny> local banks here decided to invest in own instant payment system based on phone apps for that reason
Jun 06 09:46:05 <KotCzarny> not to mention that for a few years there is a monthly fee for the card
Jun 06 09:46:21 <KotCzarny> earlier it was ~6usd/year, now it's ~3usd/month
Jun 06 09:46:36 <KotCzarny> the bigger they are, the greedier they become
Jun 06 09:47:59 <Maxdamantus> So I guess the problem is that whatever mickname is doing with his credit cards, someone else is paying the €25 in transaction fees for the €1000 he's presumably borrowing every month.
Jun 06 09:48:28 <mickname> Can't argue with that :)
Jun 06 09:49:51 <Maxdamantus> maybe they need to make the practice of lowering the price for credit card users illegal.
Jun 06 09:50:12 <Maxdamantus> since it's essentially a fee that all the merchants have to pay to stay in business.
Jun 06 09:50:40 <Maxdamantus> (a fee that goes to visa/mastercard, obviously, who presumably operate as a cartel here)
Jun 06 09:52:06 <Maxdamantus> (or equivalently, make it legal to charge less when people pay through other means)
Jun 06 09:52:25 <mickname> yeah, that makes sense.
Jun 06 09:52:44 <KotCzarny> who would do that
Jun 06 09:52:49 <KotCzarny> they are big already
Jun 06 09:53:00 <KotCzarny> and economic wars/battles are a thing
Jun 06 09:53:47 <KotCzarny> offtopic: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=warnings-of-world-wide-worm-attacks-are-the-real-deal-20877
Jun 06 09:54:44 <KotCzarny> ka-b00m
Jun 06 09:54:52 <Maxdamantus> imo the government should provide those sorts of services.
Jun 06 09:55:24 <Maxdamantus> if anyone is allowed to incur a 2.5% flat tax on essentially all consumer transactions, it should be the government, not private corporations.
Jun 06 09:55:48 <Maxdamantus> (though if the government provided that service, it doesn't have to be based on a flat tax)
Jun 06 09:56:32 <KotCzarny> there is no government anymore, they are just bussinessmen with legal tools
Jun 06 09:57:06 <KotCzarny> and law depends on the lobbists and moneys
Jun 06 09:58:30 <Maxdamantus> Oh yeah, forgot for a minute that the US is an oligopoly.
Jun 06 09:58:56 <KotCzarny> it's world wide
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