**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 08 02:59:58 2019 Jul 08 12:25:07 heh, i have FF 67.0.4, yet https://www.taskrabbit.com/ says the browser is too old because they "built TaskRabbit using the latest technology. This makes TaskRabbit faster and easier to use. Unfortunately, your web browser does not support these technologies. Download one of these great browsers and you will be on your way" - the browsers offered are, of course, FF, Chrome, and IE11 Jul 08 12:26:17 there are user agent extensions Jul 08 12:26:42 unless they really use some latest technology Jul 08 12:27:06 they provide a download link for FF, which is what i'm using Jul 08 12:27:28 that's what they get for checking user agent and failing to accomodate for the future Jul 08 12:27:29 so sounds like just some misconfig Jul 08 12:27:38 check with user agent switch first Jul 08 12:28:23 fun fact, my old firefox 56.0.2 doesnt trigger that warning Jul 08 12:28:27 will do. otoh it was just a random site i happened upon, nothing i really need from it Jul 08 12:28:30 oh wow Jul 08 12:28:32 heh Jul 08 12:29:03 welcome to the internet2.0 doing 30 years old idiot things again Jul 08 12:30:21 it might be also their 'latest technology' got blocked by default for security reasons in some firefox release and onward Jul 08 12:30:54 The original Sound Blaster was introduced 30 years ago. Jul 08 12:32:45 Same with the Intel 80486 and Apple Macintosh SE/30 and lots of other things. Jul 08 12:33:14 does any of you know a pdf program for linux which supports forms which have formulas (like in excel)? the tax returns forms here auto-calculate some of the values for you depending on some of your entries, and most of what i've tried on linux so far can't deal with that. Jul 08 12:33:32 isnt there adobe reader for linux? Jul 08 12:33:56 or libreoffice with pdf plugin maybe Jul 08 12:34:47 i've heard about adobe reader for linux, but have never got a chance to use it. will look for it. Jul 08 12:35:04 KotCzarny: Yes, Adobe released Acrobat Reader for GNU+Linux but the last release is still from around 2013. Jul 08 12:36:08 Adobe® Reader disabled its download link for Linux several years ago. Its last update for Linux was in May 2013 Jul 08 12:36:09 lol Jul 08 12:36:44 but there might be some packs available, which wouldnt be too old to run your forms Jul 08 12:37:19 I mean for GNU+Linux for x86. sicelo: Do you mean GNU+Linux on x86? Jul 08 12:38:25 you may also try pdf reader built in chrome or firefox too Jul 08 12:39:19 Adobe released Acrobat Reader even for MS-DOS, in around 1994. Jul 08 12:39:22 brolin_empey: yes i'm using a Thinkpad X40, so x86 Jul 08 12:39:42 another thing to try on the list is evince, was quite fine pdf reader Jul 08 12:40:39 sicelo: OK, I thought you may have meant for the N900 or some other non-x86 computer. Jul 08 12:40:49 evince couldn't do it Jul 08 12:41:44 let me check again though .. maybe things are updated now Jul 08 13:13:25 no luck with evince. been checking about libreoffice, which i had tried in the past but didn't succeed. however it might be because i didn't have libreoffice-draw installed. will see after installing it Jul 08 13:36:14 sicelo: Why not install acroread instead of using third-party PDF viewers? Jul 08 13:40:35 i'll look for it Jul 08 14:07:06 sicelo: https://www.fosslinux.com/1776/how-to-install-adobe-acrobat-reader-in-ubuntu-and-linux-mint.htm Jul 08 14:10:25 i've just finished installing it from deb-multimedia.org repository. however, even evince is miles ahead of this version 9.5.5 from 04/26/2013. this can't do forms at all. Jul 08 14:11:51 seems i need to go back to LibreOffice, or just stick with evince/qpdfview. those can edit the form, but they don't auto-calculate the fields with formulas. Jul 08 14:12:10 you might also try wine+recent adobereader Jul 08 14:18:11 libreoffice-draw has some nice features, wow. but it's not good enough for this form. i guess i'll just fill this form from dad's windows pc. most forms i need to work with are handled well in evince/qpdfviewer Jul 08 14:18:46 try wine, for a one time job it might be enough, even if slow Jul 08 14:20:00 wine isn't even slow tbh :) Jul 08 14:20:08 it does a pretty good job nowadays Jul 08 14:20:33 when i have more space. my 60GB SSD is almost full. only 6.6GB remaining Jul 08 14:20:48 bencoh, on pre-vt extensions cpus it is slow Jul 08 14:21:02 how is wine related to vt? Jul 08 14:21:08 hmm Jul 08 14:21:17 you're referring to qemu/vbox/vmware Jul 08 14:21:19 not wine :) Jul 08 14:21:20 you are right, messed up that one Jul 08 14:22:03 sicelo: for wine+adobereader 6gb is more than enough Jul 08 14:22:09 it will take ~200-500MB Jul 08 14:23:48 Someone who uses a ThinkPad X40 or similar hardware should be used to things being slow. ;-) Or an N900 for that matter. Jul 08 14:24:03 :) Jul 08 14:25:35 yes, i'm generally quite patient when it comes to those things. i'll look at wine Jul 08 14:26:06 Anyway, the primary/authoritative source for acroread for GNU+Linux is ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/ . Jul 08 14:37:16 sicelo: acroread 9.5.5 for GNU+Linux does support forms and seems to work with the claim form for the insurance company my company uses. I usually use a newer version of acroread on Windows but I just tried this PDF form document in acroread 9.5.5 on Debian GNU+Linux 7 for x86-32 on another computer. I can email the PDF file to you if you do not believe me. Jul 08 14:41:02 interesting. let me test other PDFs here Jul 08 14:47:27 let me uninstall what i have then, and install the one from primary link. this one really isn't working for even simple forms. it is version 9.5.5, so not sure what could be different with mine Jul 08 14:54:48 sicelo: What is your email address? I can email you the PDF form document I have that seems to work in acroread 9.5.5 for GNU+Linux so you can see if it works for you too. Jul 08 14:58:17 thanks brolin_empey. the one from ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/ works with my pdf file. it does auto-calculate some of the values. Jul 08 15:02:47 sicelo: You are welcome but I wonder how your previous version of acroread 9.5.5 can be different because acroread is closed-source. Anyway, apparently the automatic calculations in the document I was going to send you work in the PDF viewer included with Vivaldi on Windows but Firefox on Windows says “This PDF document contains forms. The filling of form fields is not supported.” when I open this document. Jul 08 15:04:25 yes, i also get the same message on FF here on linux Jul 08 15:06:17 about acroread being closed source, that's also what i understood, and hence i was quite 'sure' that the acroread i had would be the same as the one from the link. maybe the version from deb-multimedia left out some plugins/addons Jul 08 15:07:51 funny Jul 08 22:02:31 Does anyone have a copy of the en.wikipedia.org database including the User: namespace from between 2019-04-25 and 2019-07-07 inclusive? I need to recover part of my user page after it was apparently irreversibly deleted by a user who seems to have more editing privilege than understanding. Jul 08 22:04:37 A lesson learned from this experience is that I should keep a local copy of my user page on public wikis. Jul 08 22:06:59 I already checked the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. The only copy of the page it has is from 2015. Jul 08 22:07:10 ipfs maybe Jul 08 22:07:28 although I somehow doubt they'd keep old stuff Jul 08 22:07:36 but it might still be pinned somewhere Jul 08 22:09:47 https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/ Jul 08 22:09:52 dunno if they have namespace Jul 08 22:10:04 err, the user:* namespace Jul 08 22:10:22 (I somehow doubt it, but ...) Jul 08 23:20:23 bencoh: Apparently they do not have the user: namespace. Jul 09 00:49:08 Never mind, the user who deleted part of my user page provided most of the part they deleted when I asked them to restore what they deleted except for the part to which they objected. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 09 02:59:57 2019