**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 18 02:59:56 2019 Jul 18 07:44:11 Ug, g/f was right - CSSU upgrade no longer works Jul 18 07:45:02 hmm, do you mean installing cssu does not work? Jul 18 07:45:23 (like, stock -> cssu ?) Jul 18 07:45:35 freshly flashed 1.3 -> cssu testing Jul 18 07:45:43 what does it say? Jul 18 07:46:36 YOu must make a backup. I make a backup. YOU MUST MAKE A BACKUP!!!!! Erm???? Jul 18 07:46:45 wtf :D Jul 18 07:47:07 can't you skip the backup thing? I don't remember doing one at the time Jul 18 07:47:09 technically, i didn't use PC suite, as recommended because I don't have PC suite. Jul 18 07:47:11 making* Jul 18 07:47:27 ~bm Jul 18 07:47:28 extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install Jul 18 07:47:33 ~admins Jul 18 07:47:35 ~admin Jul 18 07:47:52 i think the n900's backup is meant to be done via backup-menu Jul 18 07:48:10 This was a freshly flashed device, I didn't see the need to do backup menu step. I can go back tho' Jul 18 07:48:13 xes: hey there! looks like the letsencrypt certificates are expired and were not renewed Jul 18 07:48:23 then maybe you can skip that part Jul 18 07:49:45 Skipping the installation of backupmenu is easy. Skipping "Maemo update : TO update your device ... you must use Nokia PC Suite ... [create backup]" is non-skippable Jul 18 07:50:55 hmm Jul 18 07:50:58 LAst time I upgraded to CSSU on the old phone was about 5 years ago, and it did work then, so somethings got broke between then and about 2 years ago Jul 18 07:51:10 maybe your problem is something else? Jul 18 07:51:14 (when g/f attempted and failed with this error to upgrade hers) Jul 18 07:51:21 for example some repo missing Jul 18 07:51:36 and backup is the only thing you see on the gui side Jul 18 07:52:07 I installed these two: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf_all.install Jul 18 07:52:28 The other repo links are dead here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29 Jul 18 07:52:34 uhum Jul 18 07:53:25 Can I do the upgrade without GUI tools - just from a root shell? Jul 18 07:54:18 I'll try the backupmenu install, and see if that shuts up the warning loop, but I think it won't (as g/f would have tried it) Jul 18 07:54:19 if you have time and skills, most likely, but would be better to find the problem Jul 18 07:54:22 tbh if the only thing you'd need to get it work is install backupmenu and run it, I'd rather go that way Jul 18 07:55:43 as for changing apt repositories and install cssu meta package, it might work, unless the "installer" does some extra work Jul 18 07:58:35 blimey, it's ages sincew I used application manager - it's terrible - worse than I remember! Jul 18 07:59:05 it is, yeah Jul 18 07:59:11 apt-get install for backup menu ? :> Jul 18 07:59:23 (not recommended, but heck) Jul 18 07:59:37 OK, that's opened up a webpage that's blank :/ Jul 18 07:59:48 it was improved in cssu though (I think it landed in -testing) Jul 18 07:59:57 really, the whole dichotomy between results of app manager and apt is bad Jul 18 08:00:24 bencoh: i think app manager landed even in cssu Jul 18 08:00:55 FatPhil: hmm ... that might be related to the expired certificates (07/17/2018) Jul 18 08:01:17 2018 ? Jul 18 08:01:30 err, 2019 Jul 18 08:01:37 but yeah Jul 18 08:01:41 that's a clue Jul 18 08:01:43 KotCzarny: couldn't agree more. I tried to migrate over to aptitude briefly, but the gui version of that always crashed! Jul 18 08:02:07 I use apt-get/apt-cache on maemo Jul 18 08:02:24 HAM throws that type of error whenever it thinks there is an issue. Other package managers are just asking for trouble on Maemo Jul 18 08:02:26 well, it claims to have installed backupmenu Jul 18 08:03:34 is that supposed to have created an icon somewhere for me to click on to run it? Jul 18 08:03:58 probably Jul 18 08:04:31 I can't see one Jul 18 08:04:40 either desktops or the app menu Jul 18 08:04:44 maybe in prefs? Jul 18 08:04:56 i never used bm, so cant comment Jul 18 08:05:35 I believe bm is only access on boot Jul 18 08:05:38 ~bm Jul 18 08:05:39 backupmenu is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install Jul 18 08:07:17 OK, I'll reboot Jul 18 08:07:46 The whole do a backup before installing CSSU is likely a red herring. It often happens with some dependency/cert/repo issue Jul 18 08:09:05 A stock backup may not be useful if CSSU replaces the kernel anyway Jul 18 08:10:37 sixwheeledbeast: any idea who has admin access btw? Jul 18 08:10:43 (to fix the cert thing) Jul 18 08:10:52 xes? Jul 18 08:11:16 techstaff @ maemo? Jul 18 08:11:19 right, apart from xes I meant, my bad (I pinged him) Jul 18 08:11:21 ~unbanip Jul 18 08:11:21 from memory, unbanip is please contact techstaff maemo org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or if your ip is dynamic, try changing it, or tags: RBL, tmo IP blocked, spam Jul 18 08:11:29 ah, thx Jul 18 08:11:32 ~techstaff Jul 18 08:11:32 hmm... techstaff is techstaff(AT)maemo.org - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/ Jul 18 08:11:56 ah that's another way Jul 18 08:13:37 no backupmanu evidence anywhere Jul 18 08:13:55 boot with slide open? Jul 18 08:13:56 dpkg -l|grep -i backup ? Jul 18 08:15:01 the package is there, about a dozen files all told Jul 18 08:15:15 just nothing clickyclicky Jul 18 08:16:41 boot with slide open, it's to create an image of the OS you can't do that while mounted Jul 18 08:17:07 swb, backup menu should add simple icon with documentation to app list Jul 18 08:17:10 :) Jul 18 08:17:30 and maybe basic functionality Jul 18 08:18:46 Ah, not much encouragement from the g/f and her battle against CSSU: That [backup] loop was indeed one issue. If I got past it, there was another. Jul 18 08:19:25 sixwheeledbeast: can someone add that to the wiki? I might need it again in 5 years time! Jul 18 08:19:35 :shrug: if I recall correctly it's over the limit of what is allowed in rootfs which was blocking it from getting past Devel Jul 18 08:19:50 Where in the wiki? Jul 18 08:20:34 step 2 here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU ? Jul 18 08:20:54 I'll have a look np. I think many use the lazy flash solution? Jul 18 08:20:58 ~lazyflash Jul 18 08:21:35 I can't remember what it's call joerg's install script. Jul 18 08:21:43 ~lf Jul 18 08:21:44 ah right Jul 18 08:21:44 it has been said that #maemo lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Jul 18 08:21:48 YEah, it's a shame that there isn't just a FIASCO with the CSSU on it. Jul 18 08:21:59 I wonder if it still works Jul 18 08:22:27 there is also predecessor: Jul 18 08:22:29 ~flashing Jul 18 08:22:29 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing Jul 18 08:24:39 this only flashes stock apparently Jul 18 08:25:24 FatPhil: done re wiki Jul 18 08:25:59 I flashed stock yesterday Jul 18 08:26:13 CSSU where not allowed to distribute a CSSU image IIRC. Jul 18 08:26:35 flash it all maybe it Jul 18 08:27:04 swb: lf method is next iteration of it Jul 18 08:28:31 ah Jul 18 08:28:55 basically the same, just without manual unpack and sudo etc Jul 18 08:29:19 flash-it-all works fine though Jul 18 08:30:40 booting with camera slide open seems to achieve nothing Jul 18 08:30:47 not camera, kb Jul 18 08:32:36 ooh Jul 18 08:35:23 not sure how the CSSU installer is going to know if I've done any of this, so not sure how it addresses the "Can't get out of the 'You must backup' loop" problem Jul 18 08:35:44 as mentioned earlier, it might be wrong error message Jul 18 08:35:52 and real issue being something else Jul 18 08:35:58 ie. expired cert on webpage Jul 18 08:36:12 s/webpage/server/ Jul 18 08:36:12 KotCzarny meant: ie. expired cert on server Jul 18 08:36:43 i can set my date to anything Jul 18 08:36:44 but feel free to do a backup Jul 18 08:36:58 it's not your device, it must be done on server Jul 18 08:37:14 (the cert) Jul 18 08:37:17 this is failing the same way as it did 2 years ago for g/f Jul 18 08:37:23 :) Jul 18 08:37:36 If my phone thinks its 2017, then a cert that expires in 2018 is still fine Jul 18 08:37:57 well, worth a try Jul 18 08:43:06 KotCzarny: certificate is verified at client side, afaict :) Jul 18 08:44:08 bencoh, but fix must be done on server Jul 18 08:44:09 :) Jul 18 08:44:24 true :) Jul 18 08:44:34 real fix, that is Jul 18 08:45:08 I wonder if it really is the issue though (I just assumed all certs expired at the same time) Jul 18 08:45:48 i cant check atm, so lets see how it goes for him Jul 18 08:45:50 I am sure there is a way to get past the PC suite or Make Backup dialogs in HAM. It's pretty much always a package conflict/repo error. Jul 18 08:48:29 backupmenu is clunking away, I chose compression, so it looks like I've got an hour to go... Jul 18 08:49:54 It's worth having a bm image of before and after installing CSSU that way you only need bm you restore a fresh device. Jul 18 08:50:41 sixwheeledbeast: should I actively delete the no-longer-functioning (default) repos from the app manager? Jul 18 08:51:05 Flashing takes a minute. Nothing is easier than just reflashing. Jul 18 08:51:13 I don't believe you can, just set as disabled I think Jul 18 09:15:12 backed up. I'll set my date to 2017, and see if that affects things... Jul 18 09:19:44 oooh - if I did a complete backup of my old phone using backupmenu, and a restore on this phone, might that work? what's not backed up? Jul 18 09:21:04 good question, but I'd say it's worth a try :) Jul 18 09:21:11 well, unless you want to start fresh Jul 18 09:21:15 ah, the kernel's not under /, it's a separate mtd partition Jul 18 09:21:20 does the date trick works though? Jul 18 09:21:22 yeah Jul 18 09:22:00 app manager's being weird, it's doing nothing... Jul 18 09:22:06 but you can always upgrade to kernel-power anyway Jul 18 09:22:30 (alghough using backupmenu might mean you'll be missing kernel modules then ...) Jul 18 09:22:39 how apps restoring works? isnt it just a list of installed ones or full fs dump? Jul 18 09:23:15 (this whole separated kernel/modules thing is quite a mess tbh, especially for a phone / embedded product) Jul 18 09:23:48 Still get the Maemo Update: ... you must ... [create backup] popup Jul 18 09:25:05 And nothing proceeds after I quit that. Jul 18 09:25:10 stuck in the loop still Jul 18 09:26:11 Might be because I didn't use PC Suite, but that's because I don't have PC Suite (or a windows PC). Jul 18 09:27:16 ah, fuckit, I need lunch. Jul 18 09:27:22 :) Jul 18 09:28:26 I'll install backupmenu on the old phone after lunch, and see if I can get my old CSSU onto an uSD card. Jul 18 09:30:54 Hmmm, 2017 gives key expired errors from apt-get update, as does a date of 2016... Jul 18 09:31:08 that should be a non-issue Jul 18 09:31:08 thats for nokia repos Jul 18 09:31:10 most likely Jul 18 09:31:34 old packages that cant be rebuilt Jul 18 09:31:51 maemo.muarf.org Jul 18 09:32:31 it's just a mirror with old packages Jul 18 09:32:37 that refer to expired key Jul 18 09:38:25 we never went through the hassle of resigning closed / binary-only packages Jul 18 09:39:26 (although we could probably distribute new keys first then use new keys to resign those) Jul 18 09:39:35 which makes me think ... I wonder when cssu keys expire Jul 18 09:41:39 ah, I don't see any "expires" Jul 18 09:41:47 so maybe never Jul 18 09:41:56 (that's strange though) Jul 18 09:55:12 perkele - this phone doesn't have backupmenu... Jul 18 09:57:50 kernel would need to be the same on both devices your moving the images between Jul 18 09:58:08 ~ham Jul 18 09:58:09 well, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham Jul 18 09:58:41 CSSU-T will install speedyham when you eventually get that far Jul 18 09:58:57 ~speedyham Jul 18 09:58:58 [speedyham] 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. Jul 18 10:00:24 i was checking using apt-cache, I'm not stupid! Jul 18 10:02:32 but yeah, the kernel thing is a big hurdle Jul 18 10:02:44 As I say the PC suite message is just some generic message spat out when HAM thinks theres an issue. Jul 18 10:02:55 i might be able to get over it by excessive use of flasher Jul 18 10:03:36 From memory you need to dismiss it and find the problems tab which will normally show the actual issue Jul 18 10:04:24 or ... I could just stick with grotty nokia userspace Jul 18 10:05:48 You have added the mirror nokia repos in HAM? Jul 18 10:06:49 I have the two from maemo.muarf.org - the linenoise ones are dead links now Jul 18 10:07:36 yep muarf Jul 18 10:07:49 log says nothing but "connectec to [some uuid]" after dismissing the backup Jul 18 10:08:36 You have the CSSU packge installer as an item in HAM? If you select it can you get to Problems tab Jul 18 10:09:56 which section would it be under in HAM - 'system'? Jul 18 10:10:19 Also check the muarf repos are added correctly. distribution box should be ./ Jul 18 10:10:23 system? Jul 18 10:10:25 I see CSSU features configuration package, that's all Jul 18 10:10:50 yup, in HAM, under download, there are 11 icons for the different types of package Jul 18 10:10:52 so how are you installing cssu? Jul 18 10:11:17 YOu click the 'install link on the website right? Jul 18 10:11:40 starting at 1. and working my way down here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Jul 18 10:12:09 it's also worth noting that clicking results in some window, that you close, then app manager does it's magic underneath and after some minutes something pops up/updates for real Jul 18 10:12:54 there was a shell window the first time Jul 18 10:13:25 that popped up HAM, and the loop began Jul 18 10:13:56 might be worth checking what troubles apt has underneath Jul 18 10:15:16 so, I clicked the link, PAM said the package was already installed, and now I'm sitting at the PAM main menu - what should I do next? Jul 18 10:17:12 If you accepted the script then there should be a Community SSU "program" icon in your list of programs you click Jul 18 10:17:36 This is step 7 on wiki Jul 18 10:17:46 close ham first Jul 18 10:18:15 I'm stuck at step 6 Jul 18 10:19:45 shell window popped up, lots of stuck was unpacked, PAM was launched, I OKed a couple of popup dialogs, and then I was ordered to make a backup. Jul 18 10:19:48 step 6 takes a while and there should be an accept option. Jul 18 10:20:08 right so try step 7 Jul 18 10:20:18 step 6 has not completed Jul 18 10:20:41 after I create a backup, HAM just sits there doing nothing. Jul 18 10:21:41 is it definately doing "nothing" no waiting animations? Jul 18 10:22:05 If I attempt to update, it checks for updates, shows Maemo 5 CSSU package, and a whole bunch of libqtms, and I then click [update all] Jul 18 10:22:31 ready to install all updates [Continue] Jul 18 10:22:50 So you are at step 7 step 6 has finished from what i can tell Jul 18 10:23:11 PReparing, please wait ... Update: Maemo 5 CSSI [x] I understand and agree [continue] Jul 18 10:23:14 close HAM click the icon in programs list Jul 18 10:23:37 maemo update: ... you must ... [create backup] Jul 18 10:24:03 ok you may have ended up at step 8 Jul 18 10:24:44 dismissing that popup leaves me with the list of packages that need to be updated and the [update all] button. Jul 18 10:25:04 clicking through to the backup wastes my time and then takes me back to the same place. Jul 18 10:25:10 Do step 7 Jul 18 10:25:27 i strongly suspect some package blocks the update (or missing repo) Jul 18 10:25:46 step 7 installs the repos to HAM while it's closed Jul 18 10:25:47 since that's what i stumbled upon long time ago when i was updating from stock Jul 18 10:26:10 yup, might be just that Jul 18 10:27:01 There is no "Community SSU" icon to launch. Probably because the 51.8MB of packages that needed to be updated as part of the Maaemo 5 CSSU package never were updated. Jul 18 10:27:15 I would close HAM have a coffee while it thinks, then find the Community SSU icon in programs which will run the next script to install the CSSU repos. Jul 18 10:28:18 cssu updater should be rewritten in pygtk with feedback what it currently does Jul 18 10:28:29 without all that window juggling and background magic Jul 18 10:28:49 uh Jul 18 10:29:03 The .install file my have been interrupted somehow then.. hmm It is a community workaround for system updates :shrug: Jul 18 10:29:07 I don't really follow with the "pygtk" thing, but ... Jul 18 10:29:23 pygtk makes it easy to fix Jul 18 10:29:31 and let user see what it does Jul 18 10:30:01 Then I would check the Community SSU repo has been added to the Application Catalogues list if it's not there try adding it manually and installing as per step 8 Jul 18 10:30:41 top shows that nothing's running Jul 18 10:32:42 I now have 2 Community SSU (testing) catalogue entries, both identical Jul 18 10:33:22 assuming update process is already broken, check what apt-get update/upgrade barfs on Jul 18 10:33:58 update barfs on the cert expired error Jul 18 10:34:22 (with the hilarious "run apt-get update to fix" advice!) Jul 18 10:34:28 care to pastebin it ? Jul 18 10:35:19 sure, what's a good pastebin for you guys? Jul 18 10:35:30 pastebin.com is fine if you have adblocker Jul 18 10:35:36 it has nice 'raw' button Jul 18 10:38:09 argh, I can't use this new phone, it doesn't have all the shell-friendly kdb mappings I set up on the old one! Jul 18 10:39:07 so when you select Community SSU (Testing) to install in HAM can you get to a Problems Tab? Jul 18 10:40:17 Not if you Select "Update all" just the Community SSU update Jul 18 10:42:10 I think it's an Application Details dialog box with a Problems tab Jul 18 10:42:55 pastebin not letting me paste, presumably captcha/cookies issue Jul 18 10:44:47 FatPhil: install ssh server and rootsh for now Jul 18 10:44:56 easies the cmdline chores Jul 18 10:45:38 +1 for ssh :) Jul 18 10:45:39 yeah, I have ssh'ed root@localhost Jul 18 10:45:56 And I hve a webserver, who needs pastebin! http://fatphil.org/tmp/aptupd.txt Jul 18 10:46:01 :) Jul 18 10:46:24 update seems ok Jul 18 10:46:31 those errors are "fine" Jul 18 10:46:41 what does 'upgrade' say? (dont confirm it though) Jul 18 10:48:41 s/upd/upg/ Jul 18 10:48:41 FatPhil meant: And I hve a webserver, who needs pastebin! http://fatphil.org/tmp/aptupg.txt Jul 18 10:49:51 ho hum Jul 18 10:49:56 nothing suspicious Jul 18 10:50:16 I'm much happier doing things from the command line (at least when I have my kbd mappings set up) Jul 18 10:50:25 should I go ahead with the upgrade? Jul 18 10:50:43 I don't care if I fuck the phone, a reflash is only a minute away Jul 18 10:50:46 if you have repos added, ho hum Jul 18 10:50:53 sure, you are stuck anyway, no? Jul 18 10:50:54 :) Jul 18 10:51:05 go for it :) Jul 18 10:51:35 authentication warnings dismissed... Jul 18 10:51:40 bencoh, do you know if cssu installer does anything more than adding repos, installing one package and doing upgrade? Jul 18 10:52:26 that's the question I'm asking myself tbh Jul 18 10:52:35 source? Jul 18 10:52:50 sure, i'm 'working' now though. ;) Jul 18 10:52:51 FatPhil: ? Jul 18 10:53:00 not that I read gui Jul 18 10:53:23 but currently cssu installer is so convoluted and error prone that it might as well be rewritten Jul 18 10:53:37 as a small perl script! Jul 18 10:53:38 (which i have added to personal todo) Jul 18 10:53:50 fatphil, pygtk is fine too, ;) Jul 18 10:53:51 oh, you mean "just read the source" ... yeah :) Jul 18 10:54:09 yeah, sorry, being a bit brief Jul 18 10:54:59 A console-only upgrade path would be something I'd willingly help test. Jul 18 10:55:18 you are doing it now Jul 18 10:55:19 ;) Jul 18 10:55:35 if you end up with cssu-t, it might be the way Jul 18 10:55:36 I'd like this new phone to be my primary device by next week, but until then, it's fair game for experimentation. Jul 18 10:55:42 :) Jul 18 10:55:54 is -t testing or thumbing? Jul 18 10:56:03 oh, right Jul 18 10:56:06 I wonder if we could actually distribute a cssu "patch" to the fiasco image Jul 18 10:56:13 you shouldnt use cssu-testing Jul 18 10:56:19 either cssu or cssu-thumb Jul 18 10:56:22 and actually patch said image on client side Jul 18 10:56:42 bencoh: by patch you mean 'repack' ? Jul 18 10:56:46 (this way we wouldn't need to redistribute the closed binary) Jul 18 10:56:54 KotCzarny: either a proper repack, or a binary patch :) Jul 18 10:57:16 plausible, but keep in mind different distros suck big time when it comes to writing to images/mkfs etc Jul 18 10:57:20 been there, done that Jul 18 10:57:22 (bsdiff/bspatch for instance) Jul 18 10:57:25 yeah Jul 18 10:57:33 ended up writing small ramdisk and running things on controlled env Jul 18 10:57:34 ;) Jul 18 10:58:28 i would simply go with the fiasco way, after all those years who would care anyway Jul 18 10:58:42 n900 is so old and obsolete Jul 18 10:58:42 ;) Jul 18 10:58:51 and no money to get out of it Jul 18 10:58:52 Well, I clicked testing at step 5. I presumed that was testing, not thumbing. Jul 18 10:59:16 FatPhil: i personally can recommend thumb, saves some ram and is stable Jul 18 10:59:21 KotCzarny: there are no staff to detect the crime, and no lawyers to chase it up! Jul 18 10:59:43 I vaguely recall -thumb sits in a different repo Jul 18 10:59:46 old phone is thumb, and it's mostly good. Camera's fxored Jul 18 10:59:53 might be h/w Jul 18 11:00:07 or you have installed some b0rken driver Jul 18 11:00:50 oh, I completely forgot about https://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette Jul 18 11:01:27 you will notice that http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU doesn't define "CSSU-T" before first use. Jul 18 11:01:35 Well, I did, anyway. Jul 18 11:04:16 ah, upgrade had some failures. I wasn't teeing the output alas. Jul 18 11:05:06 maemosec-certman-common-ca Jul 18 11:05:37 what kind of failures? Jul 18 11:05:45 a postinst issue? Jul 18 11:05:49 I will try some surgery to fix it, as the system might be in a bit of a confused state by now, and if that doesn't work I'll just reflash and start again. Jul 18 11:06:03 pastebin what you have now Jul 18 11:06:04 :) Jul 18 11:14:20 managed to persuade apt-get upgrade to complete, I think Jul 18 11:16:02 in the middle it popped up a HAM, which has stopped on the notification "Unable to download Community-ssu-enabler-testing. Application package not found. Jul 18 11:16:53 huhu Jul 18 11:17:40 which is probably the reason installer was failing Jul 18 11:17:48 now the cause of that.. Jul 18 11:18:28 it showed no updates pending. i did a refresh, and now the maemo 5 cssu package is in the updates list. Jul 18 11:20:20 this phones knickers have more twists than knickers now. Jul 18 11:20:51 that package is nio longer 58MB, it's 671KB Jul 18 11:22:07 which package is that? the meta one? the "enabler" app? Jul 18 11:22:09 ooooh - now Maemo Update doesn't say "... you must ..." at the backup stage now! - proceeding Jul 18 11:22:42 and it's closed my xterm, I see! Jul 18 11:22:48 pewpewpew! Jul 18 11:23:31 /me waves Jul 18 11:24:08 \o Jul 18 11:24:33 reboot... Jul 18 11:24:39 Power-button drop-down menu doesn't work. I have already tried 'killall systemui' and 'systemui'. If i black-out the screen and press power-button, then Slide to unlock works. Jul 18 11:25:34 'operating system successfully updated'! Jul 18 11:25:59 * bencoh claps Jul 18 11:26:02 congratz! Jul 18 11:26:05 :) Jul 18 11:26:10 cmdline ftw! Jul 18 11:26:34 not for most regular users, but ... yeah Jul 18 11:26:44 exactly - and I couldn't have done it without the help of you pesky meddling kids! Jul 18 11:26:49 If you get memory card, try dual-booting with Maemo Leste? Jul 18 11:28:13 I do have a spare uSD, I could play with that Jul 18 11:28:21 /me is too exhausted to even try thinking about it; should be doable, in theory... In practice, I have broken microUSB, rusty antennae, and run out of charge fairly quickly Jul 18 11:28:23 do I need backupmenu in order to boot into it? Jul 18 11:28:47 Uboot, probably Jul 18 11:29:25 uboot yeah Jul 18 11:29:32 Not multi-boot, if I remember correctly. Multi-boot is the one that can brick the device? /Unbricking is easy... If microUSB port is fine/ Jul 18 11:29:40 which you should probably install anyway Jul 18 11:29:45 (same goes for kernel-power) Jul 18 11:30:01 same goes for cssu-thumb Jul 18 11:31:30 the weird thing is I never interatcted with any Community SSU icon at all. That step must have been achieved by the command line Jul 18 11:32:18 how do I know I'm thumb? Jul 18 11:32:45 you're probably not, unless you specifically installed it Jul 18 11:32:58 check which cssu repos you use Jul 18 11:32:59 I'm not running a -cssu kernl according to uname Jul 18 11:33:15 power kernel is recommended Jul 18 11:34:22 Settings -> About Community SSU can help Jul 18 11:34:39 Linux kernel for power users? Jul 18 11:34:49 nah Jul 18 11:34:59 just not-stock-kernel-with-some-handy-tweaks Jul 18 11:36:02 if not that, then what's it called? Jul 18 11:36:15 power kernel Jul 18 11:36:17 or kernel power Jul 18 11:36:26 Hmm, how do I see whether I am running Thumb or not? Repositories list community-testing and community-devel Jul 18 11:36:40 and yeah, brief questions bring ambiguoity Jul 18 11:36:53 Ah, HAM is showing me the description of the package larger than the package name. Jul 18 11:36:59 see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb :) Jul 18 11:37:17 also: dpkg|grep thumb Jul 18 11:37:26 if you see some packages, you are running thumb Jul 18 11:37:27 ;) Jul 18 11:37:37 i mean: dpkg -l|grep thumb Jul 18 11:37:54 kernel power 2.6.28.30 = "Linux kernel for power users" Jul 18 11:38:04 FatPhil: yeah, go for it Jul 18 11:38:14 Yes, thumb apparently :-) Jul 18 11:38:52 I am running kernel power 2.6.28-10power53 ?.. Jul 18 11:39:04 power53 sounds about fine yeah Jul 18 11:39:22 nevermind the .30 :) Jul 18 11:39:46 Lolz, confusing :-) Jul 18 11:40:07 what was the name of the faster app manager? I used to use FAPman on the old device, which was better, but not great. Jul 18 11:40:27 dont use fapman Jul 18 11:40:40 if you upgraded to cssu (any), you should have speedyham Jul 18 11:40:51 ie. HAM that's patched by community to be normal again Jul 18 11:41:27 HAM refuses to ackowledge existence of its replacement Jul 18 11:41:40 /me recommends QML-Browser and Fahrplan, as some of the few packages that use the latest openssl 1.1.0h-4 Jul 18 11:41:42 because it's the same packages Jul 18 11:41:46 *package Jul 18 11:41:51 *package name Jul 18 11:42:01 dpkg -l|grep -i ham|grep cssu Jul 18 11:43:25 no thumb packages Jul 18 11:43:41 maybe not ham but some longer name Jul 18 11:43:46 dont remember Jul 18 11:43:55 dpkg -l|grep -i package|grep cssu Jul 18 11:43:59