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Aug 17 03:16:06 <Maxdamantus> Why do you want a graphics card at all?
Aug 17 03:16:18 * Maxdamantus uses three monitors on integrated graphics.
Aug 17 03:17:04 <Maxdamantus> 5120×1080
Aug 17 03:17:43 <Maxdamantus> Maybe having a 3840×2160 monitor is significant, dunno.
Aug 17 03:21:08 <Maxdamantus> Based on the specifications here: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75043/intel-core-i5-4570-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz.html , the "max resolutions" must apply to individual monitors, not total output, since my total horizontal resolution is 5120
Aug 17 03:21:46 <Maxdamantus> (those are the specifications for my CPU)
Aug 17 03:24:30 <Maxdamantus> note: my monitors are 1920×1080 (HDMI), 1920×1080 (DVI), 1280×1024 (VGA)
Aug 17 03:25:20 * Maxdamantus imagines newer CPUs/motherboards would support three outputs without requiring one of them be VGA
Aug 17 03:31:42 <brolin_empey> I still use Core 2 era computers.  The video controller integrated on the motherboard is not UHD capable and only has one output for one video monitor.
Aug 17 03:32:35 <Maxdamantus> Right, but presumably you're wanting to get something more recent, since you said "somewhat recent"
Aug 17 03:35:40 <brolin_empey> Apparently DFI makes a fanless Nehalem era or later stationary computer that can use the fanless PCI Express video card I currently use but DFI never replied to my request for quantity=1 pricing and I did not spend more time trying to find pricing, such as from a distributor/reseller.
Aug 17 03:37:55 <brolin_empey> I do not need a newer/faster than Core 2 computer but I want a fanless computer and, ideallly, with non-volatile main memory too.
Aug 17 03:38:25 <Maxdamantus> Presumably if price is a concern, wouldn't it be more effectively to just buy second-hand parts?
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Aug 17 03:40:23 <brolin_empey> I doubt that I could find this type of fanless industrial computer for sale used.  I have not even found it for sale new.
Aug 17 03:41:09 <Maxdamantus> If you buy parts you can just mix and match things to get what you want.
Aug 17 03:42:05 <Maxdamantus> eg, there aren't really any CPUs that are particularly made to be fanless. You just get a passive heatsink and put it into a conventional CPU.
Aug 17 03:44:07 <brolin_empey> It has RS485 and other specialised industrial stuff that I do not need but it is fanless, supports up to at least 16 or 32 GiB of main memory, and can use a “desktop” video card that uses a PCI Express ×16 slot.  It has a specially designed metal chassis/case so it can be completely fanless.
Aug 17 03:45:33 <Maxdamantus> Okay, but is the motherboard special?
Aug 17 03:57:04 <Maxdamantus> The usual components categorisation site used here has a category for fanless cases (though there are only currently three cases in the category): https://pricespy.co.nz/category.php?k=v2229
Aug 17 04:42:52 <brolin_empey> Apparently they are DFI models EC511-SD and EC511-HD.  They are sold as a single product with the motherboard in the case.
Aug 17 04:44:38 <brolin_empey> https://web.archive.org/web/20170209124143/http://www.dfi-itox.com/products/product.php?productId=10005
Aug 17 04:44:39 <brolin_empey> The other model was at http://www.dfi-itox.com/products/product.php?productId=10074 but this page is gone from the live Internet and is not in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.
Aug 17 04:54:49 <brolin_empey> Here is one of them on the current DFI Web site:
Aug 17 04:54:49 <brolin_empey> https://estore.dfi.com/index.php/ec510-ec511-hd.html
Aug 17 04:54:49 <brolin_empey> Apparently it sells for around 686 dollars, presumably USD but lots of countries use a currency named dollar, including Taiwan, the home country of DFI.
Aug 17 05:01:12 <brolin_empey> Here is the other model on the current DFI Web site but without any pricing:
Aug 17 05:01:12 <brolin_empey> https://us.dfi.com/Product/Index/127
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Aug 17 18:37:04 <sixwheeledbeast> ~beasttweaks
Aug 17 18:37:05 <infobot> methinks beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts
Aug 17 18:39:51 <sixwheeledbeast> can I add a wlan connection with gconftool? Seems there is some connection UUID?
Aug 17 22:33:11 <Wikiwide> Broke my stylus (poor fragile things, they suffer when software is slow). Took a 3D doodle pen, and heat-melded stylus back together. Rough, patchy, bulging like a broken bone, but it works, for now. Cleaned out much of the dust from stylus bay.
Aug 17 23:10:35 <Wikiwide> Temperature of melting for stylus is somewhere under 200°C, or so.
Aug 18 00:52:10 <hmw_metalab> Wikiwide: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:21911
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