**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 27 02:59:57 2019 Aug 27 06:19:06 KotCzarny: I gather that opipc = Orange Pi PC, which is apparently detailed at http://www.orangepi.org/orangepipc/ , which looks outdated compared to the Raspberry Pi Model B or B+ version 3 or 4. Aug 27 06:25:48 Note that I do not use *Pi. I like tiny x86 computers that can be powered from only 5 VDC. Aug 27 06:34:21 Which reminds me: I wonder if I can find a PC/104 (not literally. I mean the newer versions that use PCI or PCI Express.) tiny, fanless x86 computer to replace the fanful Core 2 tower computer in my bedroom. The Asus UL30Vt Core 2 ULV notebook computer still seems to work well as a replacement for my Athlon Thunderbird 1400 tower computer in my bedroom. Yes, the UL30Vt has a fan but I cannot hear it so I do not know if it ever runs and I did not have to Aug 27 06:34:21 pay for the UL30Vt because my father gave it to me because he no longer needs it. Aug 27 07:55:43 Chinese Rpi clone? Aug 27 10:30:13 sixwheeledbeast: Apparently the Orange Pi is Chinese but I do not know if it is considered a clone of the Raspberry Pi. Aug 27 10:44:15 * enyc meows Aug 27 10:49:36 If I'm trying to rewire (again) usb sockets onto n900's (upside-down soldered on board etc.) might i mbe better getting usb-C or something other than usb-micro anyhow? Aug 27 10:49:52 I still want the usb-host-support possibilty but only the 4 wire connection otherwise... ?? Aug 27 10:50:04 or isthat 5th-wire to activate host mode critical? Aug 27 10:50:21 without 5th wire you have to toggle host/device mode manually Aug 27 10:50:42 come to think of it i don't think thats' eevn connecte on my n900 where the usb has been replaced anyhow Aug 27 10:51:10 hoppy with manual toggle but don't know in terms of phsyicaliity of connector and think wires to the pins etc etc Aug 27 10:53:35 looks like a potential pain to solder however Aug 27 11:06:35 did anyone order decent tablet computer from aliexpress? Aug 27 11:06:47 define 'decent' Aug 27 11:07:18 decent = packs enough punch for years to come Aug 27 11:08:27 KotCzarny: I thought USB Host/Device mode has to be manually toggled on the N900 even with the original microUSB connector. Or am I thinking of manually selecting the speed for USB Host mode? Aug 27 11:12:40 Vajb: I use x201-tablet ;p Aug 27 11:12:49 convertible thing, but i like it Aug 27 12:51:43 enyc: I thought of something smaller :p Aug 27 12:52:23 currently I have galaxy tab 2, but it has become nearly unusable because of low processing power Aug 27 12:54:02 it has only two cores and lass than 1gb of ram. So thinking of replacing it with some Octacore thing with loads of ram Aug 27 12:54:13 lass = less* Aug 27 12:55:43 dont think about less than 3GB of ram Aug 27 12:55:58 especially with android7/8/9 Aug 27 13:04:02 that's what I thought Aug 27 13:10:11 you could get away with 1-2gb if you are careful about what you install and trim bloatware Aug 27 13:10:39 but since you are looking for something a bit future proof.. Aug 27 13:14:04 droid 4 with LineageOS 14 (Android 7) is definitely usable with the 1GB .. but of course, not future proof Aug 27 13:14:27 sicelo, start installing things.. Aug 27 13:14:28 ;) Aug 27 13:14:41 unless of course you only want bare system without anything Aug 27 13:14:49 I have one app that could use more power and that's the reason why Im considering new tablet Aug 27 13:15:17 when choosing media device, it would be worth considering supported media formats too Aug 27 13:15:21 i've installed lots of stuff (telegram, WA, slack, word, excel, connectbot, etc.) :) Aug 27 13:15:42 and before you say "use another app", I say not possible ;) Aug 27 13:16:14 any good sites to compare tablets? Aug 27 13:16:34 gsmarena maybe? has a compare thingy Aug 27 13:18:09 gonna check it out thx Aug 27 14:27:39 vajb: https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/08/27/fairphone-3-socially-responsible-android-smartphone-user-repairable/ Aug 27 14:27:40 :) Aug 27 14:28:37 aaand still qualcomm Aug 27 14:28:49 "fair" and qualcomm still sounds like a silly joke to me :) Aug 27 14:28:56 bencoh: you would prefer mediatek? Aug 27 14:28:57 :) Aug 27 14:29:06 but their 'fair' is about e-waste Aug 27 14:29:11 not blobs Aug 27 14:30:22 KotCzarny: not that they're much better, but I guess, yeah, somehow Aug 27 14:30:28 seriously, the only deblobbed soc right now is allwinner Aug 27 14:30:43 you forgot imx (sort of) Aug 27 14:31:12 I don't recall running any blob on imx7 apart from the ROM Aug 27 14:31:16 cant say about imx, as i dont have any board Aug 27 14:31:36 but can it build and run uboot/kernel without any blobs? Aug 27 14:31:46 yeah Aug 27 14:32:03 3d gpu/video decoder/encoder too? Aug 27 14:32:06 to be fair I think the SDMA loads some kind of micro-firmware, but I'm not even so sure Aug 27 14:32:13 imx7 has no vpu/gpu :) Aug 27 14:32:32 i've only heard about .6 and .8 Aug 27 14:32:33 :) Aug 27 14:33:53 imx7 is loosely based on imx6, but low-power Aug 27 14:34:10 by investigating a bit I see that I actually need smart phone, not a tablet... Aug 27 14:34:32 (with less features / blocks, a more modular clock tree, and a cortex-a7 instead of A9) Aug 27 14:38:13 im planning to grab pinephone this fall. although its a pity it doesnt have dual sim Aug 27 14:44:38 My company has its own ARM Linux platform based upon the i.MX 283. http://medallionsystem.com/cpu-modules/tscm/index.html but this Web site is outdated, mostly unchanged since 2012. Aug 27 15:07:20 That Fairphone 3 looks quite underwhelming for 450 EUR compared to a used or refurbished LG G5 for around 100 CAD. That article does not say which type of flat-panel display the Fairphone 3 has so I guess it is only an AMLCD, not an LED display? Aug 27 15:13:06 30 EUR for a replacement battery? A new battery for the LG G5 costs only around 10 CAD including shipping on eBay. Aug 27 15:27:34 are ebay batteries reliable? I have found it hard for the n900. Aug 27 15:27:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K1SJNeXVIs Aug 27 15:29:36 And I agree that the price is not ideal. But your not buying this for it's specs necessarily, your more likely buying it because of you want to buy less stuff or be able to repair stuff. Aug 27 15:56:57 xmn: Batteries from eBay usually work well for me but I have not used a non-Nokia battery in a Nokia computer. Aug 27 15:58:38 I see. I just found it hard to find good reliable battery makers. they for me never seem to have as long of a lifespan. Aug 27 16:03:33 the first (and last) "nokia" batteries I bought from ebay didn't charge over 800mAh (that was 5y ago) Aug 27 16:03:39 I then move to polarcell Aug 27 16:03:42 moved* Aug 27 16:03:58 but your milleage may vary I guess Aug 27 16:04:08 mileage* gah Aug 27 16:04:13 that my experience;) Aug 27 18:10:12 well, I bought my Polarcell batteries from ebay :) Aug 27 18:57:56 oh interesting, https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/08/27/new-huawei-os-shock-confirmation-of-russian-software-for-mobile-devices/#544f6ea979c8 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Aug 28 02:59:57 2019