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Sep 14 09:17:29 <brolin_empey> Not that it matters but I no longer have cellular connectivity compatible with the integrated cellular modem of the N900 because I switched from Fido (Rogers Wireless) to Lucky Mobile (Bell Mobility) as part of reducing my monthly fixed expenses because my income is too little.
Sep 14 15:33:45 <sicelo> now it's a real NIT :)
Sep 14 15:35:07 <sicelo> at that meeting i was in a week ago, where the telecoms regulator said we don't need 5G, I asked if they had plans to discontinue 2G. They said no, which means my N900 stil has some life
Sep 14 15:56:21 <KotCzarny> see?
Sep 14 15:56:26 <KotCzarny> less e-waste
Sep 14 16:30:15 <sunshavi> sicelo I also have a NIT
Sep 14 16:33:16 <sicelo> where's that sunshavi? no 2G/3G anymore?
Sep 14 16:33:55 <sunshavi> modem failed
Sep 14 16:34:29 <sicelo> oh, that. i have an N900 like that :) been using it to test Leste and PostmarketOS
Sep 14 16:35:06 <sunshavi> i can not install leste there . Cos of bluetooth
Sep 14 16:35:19 <sicelo> what about bluetooth?
Sep 14 16:35:24 <sunshavi> I use it for remote controling the orange pi on the car
Sep 14 16:35:26 <sicelo> oh i see
Sep 14 16:35:37 <sicelo> what does the orange pi do?
Sep 14 16:36:20 <sicelo> (btw, Leste is not a permanent install .. i run it from SD card, and still have access to Fremantle when i need to)
Sep 14 16:36:44 <sunshavi> http://www.kipuamutay.com/en/blog/improveAutoradioWithOpi.html
Sep 14 16:37:53 <sunshavi> Mmm. what I would like to do is running leste in place of archlinux on orange pi. But again bluetooth would be the problem. Bluetooth is key on my use case
Sep 14 16:39:12 <sicelo> the reason bT does not work is simply because N900's BT is quirky on mainline for now. but on devices where BT is supported ( i hope on OPi for example), then of course BT will work with Leste
Sep 14 16:39:58 <sunshavi> mmm. then I could try it. :)
Sep 14 16:40:09 <sicelo> i've considered sometihng like that project for my car .. but N900's FM transmitter seems good enough for me :)
Sep 14 16:40:39 <sunshavi> yeah, But I have 10 thousand mp3 files. Just emacs can cope with that
Sep 14 16:40:54 <KotCzarny> or oscp
Sep 14 16:40:57 <KotCzarny> :>
Sep 14 16:41:06 <sicelo> what i still want to do is use an sbc for gps, but must still find a gps receiver that i can connect to the ones i have (BBB an NTC CHIP)
Sep 14 16:41:06 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: lol
Sep 14 16:41:44 <sunshavi> I am an emacs guys. People on emacs have a tendency to do everything within emacs
Sep 14 16:41:59 <sunshavi> but oscp is great I have liked it
Sep 14 16:42:17 <KotCzarny> yeah, it's one of those cases where user experience is most important
Sep 14 16:42:45 <sunshavi> yes. on opi I have moved from mplayer as backend to mpv
Sep 14 16:43:39 <sunshavi> my X resolution on opi is 1920x1200. H3 without lima have issues playing video on it
Sep 14 16:43:57 <KotCzarny> for video play you need cedrus, not lima
Sep 14 16:44:12 <KotCzarny> lima is for 3d accel
Sep 14 16:44:14 <sunshavi> but cedrus needs vlc which is resource hungry
Sep 14 16:44:26 <KotCzarny> there is mplayer with cedrus working
Sep 14 16:44:31 <sunshavi> mmmm?
Sep 14 16:44:42 <sunshavi> that is great news for me
Sep 14 16:44:44 <KotCzarny> in fact, folks who develop cedrus used mplayer as a testing tool
Sep 14 16:45:06 <KotCzarny> i thihnk it was rellla or jernej
Sep 14 16:45:23 <sunshavi> then I need the git address for compiling it. 5.3 is coming tomorrow. And I plan to upgrade on monday
Sep 14 16:45:51 <sunshavi> cedrus would have x264 support on 5.3
Sep 14 16:46:08 <KotCzarny> yes, and x265 too i think
Sep 14 16:47:05 <sunshavi> really neat. I was planning on dropping h3 and moving to h6. But going back to firefox in place of chromium has coped with my memory issues by now
Sep 14 16:47:27 <sunshavi> mail is going to help me with krita weth using a huion tablet?
Sep 14 16:47:35 <sunshavi> s/mail/mali/
Sep 14 16:47:35 <infobot> sunshavi meant: mali is going to help me with krita weth using a huion tablet?
Sep 14 16:48:00 <sunshavi> s/weth/when/
Sep 14 16:48:00 <infobot> sunshavi meant: mail is going to help me with krita when using a huion tablet?
Sep 14 16:48:16 <sicelo> haha
Sep 14 16:48:36 <sicelo> now it's back to mail
Sep 14 16:48:48 <sunshavi> yes infobot has an issue :)
Sep 14 16:51:26 <sunshavi> back to oscp: the other day I wanted to send different sounds to different bluetooth speakers (a weird case i know. I was just testing) {it was when in the car}. Could I launch different oscp sessions?
Sep 14 16:52:13 <KotCzarny> i think it sends to pulse, so it will go wherever fremantle sends it to
Sep 14 16:52:28 <sunshavi> It is just a curious question BTW
Sep 14 16:52:30 <KotCzarny> in other words, when i enable fm transmitter, it correctly routes audio
Sep 14 16:52:43 <KotCzarny> ie. stops playing on speakers and plays on radio
Sep 14 16:53:15 <KotCzarny> havent tested bt, but i suspect it works correctly
Sep 14 16:54:55 <sunshavi> Think in this case. (this is with Opi). You are on the car and your son want music from his Usb-pendrive. And your daughter wants also music from her-pendrive. With just one OPI. how could I do that? (It is just curiosity, nothing really important)
Sep 14 16:55:24 <sunshavi> obviously with bluetooth headphones
Sep 14 16:55:37 <KotCzarny> you mean 2 separate outputs?
Sep 14 16:55:44 <sunshavi> yes
Sep 14 16:55:54 <KotCzarny> that's tricky 
Sep 14 16:56:14 <KotCzarny> how would they choose it to play?
Sep 14 16:56:34 <KotCzarny> you would either need 2 operating systems or 2 separate players
Sep 14 16:56:50 <KotCzarny> and 2 bt dongles maybe
Sep 14 16:56:59 <sunshavi> i could open two terminal on N900 for every bluetooth dongle
Sep 14 16:57:10 <sunshavi> terminal with ssh session to opi
Sep 14 16:58:28 <sunshavi> Yes. I was thinking on that mplayer has an option for especifing the bluetooth device. The curiosity question is ¿How oscp manages that case?
Sep 14 16:58:28 <KotCzarny> but imo 2 separate devices might be easiest to achieve
Sep 14 16:58:45 <KotCzarny> and maybe sharing filesystem via samba or nfs to them from single opi
Sep 14 16:59:26 <KotCzarny> oscp doesnt know what system outputs to, it uses simplepulse lib and os does the rest
Sep 14 16:59:50 <KotCzarny> with command lines one might probably spawn 2 separate audio players with manually selected audio out
Sep 14 17:00:55 <sunshavi> nice. Then oscp could manage that case. That would convert OPI on a Hub-Music-Device
Sep 14 17:02:22 <KotCzarny> still, i havent heard of multi user audio player with separate audio out for different users
Sep 14 17:02:35 <KotCzarny> but i havent looked for such, to be honest
Sep 14 17:02:56 <KotCzarny> oscp is more about multi-remotes, single audio out case
Sep 14 17:03:00 <sunshavi> It is probably a corner case
Sep 14 17:03:55 <KotCzarny> but on linux it's doable, just needs some hackery
Sep 14 17:04:43 <KotCzarny> imo it would definitely need 2 audio dongles (either 2 bt or 2 n900s)
Sep 14 17:05:28 <sunshavi> or an lcd screen on opi
Sep 14 17:05:40 <sunshavi> lcd and also touch screen
Sep 14 17:05:55 <KotCzarny> and 2 players running side by side?
Sep 14 17:05:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 14 17:06:04 <sunshavi> yes
Sep 14 17:06:07 <KotCzarny> but 2x n900 case would be easiest
Sep 14 17:06:21 <KotCzarny> they would get both separate bt and own controller
Sep 14 17:06:34 <KotCzarny> and opi would serve files via samba/nfs
Sep 14 17:06:50 <KotCzarny> that's easiest solution
Sep 14 17:07:16 <sunshavi> yes. N900 the easiest. Battery life could be an issue. Opi power comes from cigarrete lighter
Sep 14 17:07:34 <sunshavi> BTW. I have been experimenting with using NFS on opi
Sep 14 17:07:58 <sunshavi> it shares fine to x220. But the contrary has not been possible yet
Sep 14 17:08:16 <sunshavi> probably kernel config issues
Sep 14 17:08:21 <KotCzarny> well, 2 opis would be an alternative, but then you still need some controller to select files to play
Sep 14 17:08:54 <sunshavi> not two opis (I have just one cigarret lighter)
Sep 14 17:09:40 <KotCzarny> glue the n900s to the back of the front seats and route power to them? :)
Sep 14 17:10:04 <sunshavi> that would be nice
Sep 14 17:15:59 <sunshavi> nice talking to You guys. Time to conmute
Sep 14 17:58:12 <ontime> Strange, on N900 when I use Alpine with Gmail through WiFi, everything is ok, but when I switch to GSM, it won't connect at all. It says no authorized
Sep 14 17:58:37 <ontime> Other mail service works fine through GSM. On maemo I has libssl 0.9.8, and in easydeb libssl is 1.0.1f, both behaves the same, any clue?
Sep 14 18:04:48 <KotCzarny> some proxy?
Sep 14 18:04:58 <KotCzarny> or your gsm operator is fishy
Sep 14 18:05:06 <KotCzarny> and intercepts ssl
Sep 14 18:06:22 <ontime> no proxy
Sep 14 19:02:45 <ontime> It was google security. New device & new ISP, it was need logging through web browser and confirm new device. Now it works also with Alpine and others.
Sep 14 19:03:47 <ontime> Why N900 doesn't allow enable FmTX when earphone are plugged in?
Sep 14 19:05:33 <ontime> FmTX has it own antenna
Sep 14 19:10:20 <sicelo> because Nokia thought that the audio should go one way only, either fmtx or earphone/speaker
Sep 14 19:11:41 <sicelo> when using fmtx with mainline kernel, audio goes to both fmtx and speakers/headphone simultaneously, unless you turn the speaker off
Sep 14 19:15:35 <ontime> ok, can it be some hacked and to have fmtx on with heeadphone connected?
Sep 14 19:16:33 <sicelo> i suppose so ... although very few are hacking on fremantle anymore
Sep 14 19:17:40 <ontime> it would be handy but e, whatever
Sep 14 19:19:09 <ontime> N900 it's still cool device, thx KotCzarny, sicelo
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