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Nov 17 06:03:23 <Wikiwide> homefs: 0b free. Why???
Nov 17 11:53:02 <dattelfisch> Hello, does anyone grabbed these files (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81865&page=32) or has a compatible Moslo for RM-680?
Nov 17 11:54:12 <dattelfisch> Also anything according an old N950 (< HW0322) would be extremely useful
Nov 17 12:13:59 <Wikiwide> It is quite mysterious that I have one /usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 on my device. Side by side with official zlib1g 1.2.7
Nov 17 12:41:08 <brolin_empey> Oksana: I do not know if it is packaged for Maemo but ncdu (ncurses disk usage) is a useful text-mode application for finding what has filled a file system.  I try to always install it before the file system is full because when the file system is full you cannot install a new package to get a program to help you see how the disk space is used.
Nov 17 12:45:27 <brolin_empey> KDirStat and similar GUI applications that use a squarified tree map to visually show how the space in a file system is used are very helpful if you can run such an application on your N900.
Nov 17 12:47:14 <brolin_empey> ncdu is nice and fast for remote usage because it uses only text mode.
Nov 17 12:55:05 <brolin_empey> KotCzarny: Regarding the request of dattelfisch, did MAX9 ever contact you about hosting the N950/Harmattan files?
Nov 17 12:55:49 <brolin_empey> I can probably host the files too if you ever get them.
Nov 17 13:08:55 <brolin_empey> dattelfisch: Is this useful?
Nov 17 13:08:55 <brolin_empey> https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/7530337/Nokia_N950_PR1.3_firmware_(leaked)
Nov 17 13:11:30 <KotCzarny> https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/11/16/buy-pinephone-braveheart-limited-edition-linux-smartphone/
Nov 17 13:11:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 17 13:15:03 <KotCzarny> When fulfilling the purchase, please bear in mind that we are offering the PinePhone at this price as a community service to PINE64, Linux and BSD communities. If you think that a minor dissatisfaction, such as a dead pixel, will prompt you to file a PayPal dispute then please do not purchase the PinePhone. Thank you.
Nov 17 13:15:25 <KotCzarny> buyer beware, this batch is mostly for dev/brave heart users
Nov 17 13:21:40 <sixwheeledbeast> I am sure there are Linux 950 images somewhere
Nov 17 13:21:47 <sixwheeledbeast> ~950
Nov 17 13:22:02 <sixwheeledbeast> ~listkeys 950
Nov 17 13:22:04 <infobot> Factoid search of '950' by key (21 of 174): firmware-n950 ;; n950-firmware ;; rfc950 ;; zip 39502 ;; zip 39503 ;; zip 49509 ;; zip 50950 ;; zip 7950 ;; zip 79503 ;; zip 79505 ;; zip 79508 ;; zip 91950 ;; zip 93950 ;; zip 94950 ;; zip 95001 ;; zip 95002 ;; zip 95004 ;; zip 95009 ;; zip 95011 ;; zip 95019 ;; zip 95021.
Nov 17 13:22:10 <bencoh> I don't think I have them
Nov 17 13:22:19 <bencoh> merlin1991 might have a copy (maybe)
Nov 17 13:22:21 <sixwheeledbeast> ~firmware-n950
Nov 17 13:22:21 <infobot> i heard firmware-n950 is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/
Nov 17 13:22:34 <sixwheeledbeast> ~n950-firmware
Nov 17 13:22:34 <infobot> methinks n950-firmware is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/
Nov 17 13:22:38 <sixwheeledbeast> hmm
Nov 17 13:22:41 <bencoh> maybe archive.org
Nov 17 13:23:50 <bencoh> https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Maemo#N9_.28Harmattan.29 doesn't seem to be there
Nov 17 15:06:18 <dattelfisch> Yes, it's very difficult to find any older images...the device seems to be not working with the Harmattan PR images I found. https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=100759
Nov 17 15:08:07 <bencoh> oh, DocScrutinizer05 might have something as well
Nov 17 15:08:20 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Nov 17 15:08:22 <dattelfisch> Therefore Nemo could be a solution, but the correct moslo file is also hard to find. 
Nov 17 15:08:33 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry in a hurry. You got 60s
Nov 17 15:08:42 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: hey there! dattelfisch is looking for old / exotic N950 firmware images
Nov 17 15:09:07 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo.cloud-7.de
Nov 17 15:09:12 <dattelfisch> Oh, yes I have a device (HW0322) but the images I can find are not working
Nov 17 15:10:15 <dattelfisch> These are the images I already tried
Nov 17 15:10:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/
Nov 17 15:11:10 <dattelfisch> So do I have the possibility to find a matching image?
Nov 17 15:11:28 <bencoh> KotCzarny: I guess you never got to retrieve them? https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1557999&postcount=318
Nov 17 16:57:23 <KotCzarny> bencoh: nope
Nov 17 17:59:36 * sicelo wonders why 'modern' smartphone OSes don't have a way to go offline on some accounts while device is connected to Internet ... sux
Nov 17 18:03:42 <sicelo> seems closest they get is offering you a Logout method
Nov 17 18:53:28 <sixwheeledbeast> https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002 Looks important to the future of Debian.
Nov 17 18:54:18 * lupine mashes C hard
Nov 17 18:54:50 <sicelo> sixwheeledbeast: mmm, i get 403 error
Nov 17 18:55:31 <sixwheeledbeast> I don't
Nov 17 18:55:45 <sixwheeledbeast> C? err?
Nov 17 18:57:21 <sixwheeledbeast> Also https://lwn.net/ml/debian-vote/24014.36465.436524.968683@chiark.greenend.org.uk/
Nov 17 19:28:46 <Wikiwide> Why does community-ssu-enabler-testing depend on qtquickcompat?..
Nov 17 19:55:35 <Wikiwide> Dependencies of mbarcode-plugin-qrcode do not seem to make sense.
Nov 17 20:01:11 <Wikiwide> How do Ilist all manually installed packages?
Nov 17 20:03:08 <KotCzarny> dpkg -l
Nov 17 20:03:39 <KotCzarny> and write a script that iterates over the list with apt-cache policy?
Nov 17 20:04:00 <Wikiwide> I don't want to have packages listed which were automatically installed as dependencies of other packages?
Nov 17 20:04:10 <Wikiwide> Ah, script...
Nov 17 20:08:05 <Wikiwide> Why does mp-fremantle-community-pr depend on so much Qt?..
Nov 17 20:08:26 <KotCzarny> because it's a metapackage that's catch-all ?
Nov 17 20:09:12 <KotCzarny> and probably someone made sure it's not left out
Nov 17 20:09:44 <Wikiwide> Well, it should depend on essential things - like hildon-desktop and hildon-home and xterm and rtcom-messaging and such. Let high-level applications pull in low-level dependencies? 
Nov 17 20:12:21 <Wikiwide> Got you, python-glade2! You can be removed, and you will not pull down anything else with you.
Nov 17 20:13:15 <Wikiwide> As beautiful as Ansela is, I had to uninstall it - I already have one photo browser, thank you very much.
Nov 17 20:16:41 <sixwheeledbeast> Come one come all, all aboard the HMS metapackage
Nov 17 20:18:13 <Wikiwide> Netstory, you are nice, but I am not opening you at all lately. Musicsheettest, till better days. Lighttpd-dav-gui, goodbye as well.
Nov 17 20:21:49 <Wikiwide> Why does autocompleteeditor depend on python2.5-sip4?..
Nov 17 20:34:12 <Wikiwide> Phonestream didn't remove its config file from homefs when purged.
Nov 17 20:42:25 <Wikiwide> Why did I have libqhull5 installed?..
Nov 17 22:46:18 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Let high-level applications pull in low-level dependencies?<< alas that's how maemo is FUBAR by design. Zhe dependencies *never* were managed in any sane way, it always was a "take it all or leave it" "meta distro"
Nov 17 22:48:20 <DocScrutinizer05> you install a shitload of apps by "flashing a ROM image" and none of all those apps and programs gets a sane dependency metainfo for apt
Nov 17 22:49:03 <DocScrutinizer05> CSSU ntried to inprove the situation but it always been a uphill battle
Nov 17 22:56:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I also asked freemangordon to create a neo-fremantle built from scratch and just explicitly importing blobs we have no source for. So all apps would get their deb pkg incl clean comprehensive dependencies. Seems I never managed to convey the purpose of such exercise
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