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Nov 23 09:25:57 <sixwheeledbeast> PIA acquired by Kape Technologies https://www.technadu.com/kape-technologies-acquire-private-internet-access-vpn-early-2020/85391/
Nov 23 10:50:51 <sicelo> tested syncing tasks with iPhone 5C. so it seems Android/DAVx5/OpenTasks is a bit too pedantic about timezone ... the iPhone shows the tasks with the correct date. just no alarm (which i don't mind too much)
Nov 23 10:52:08 <buZz> sixwheeledbeast: oh gee, wonder if Andrew is gonna sell freenode to some faceless tech company aswell
Nov 23 10:52:58 <sixwheeledbeast> I suppose the concern is Kape Techs history
Nov 23 10:53:16 <sicelo> is DocScrutinizer05 still with PIA?
Nov 23 10:53:20 <KotCzarny> freenode has a commercial value?
Nov 23 10:53:52 <buZz> the data does
Nov 23 10:53:59 <buZz> the network doesnt
Nov 23 10:55:19 <sixwheeledbeast> Indeed I could see fake AI bots leaning the conversation on topics I believe that goes on in other platforms
Nov 23 10:56:37 <buZz> GPT-2 trained on someone's irc text would be a -very- good basis for identity copying
Nov 23 10:57:25 <buZz> or theft
Nov 23 10:57:52 <sicelo> silly q - isn't that data already easily accessible?
Nov 23 10:59:02 <KotCzarny> depending on 'easily'
Nov 23 10:59:12 <KotCzarny> i think freenode has channels limit
Nov 23 10:59:20 <KotCzarny> so you just cant join all
Nov 23 10:59:29 <KotCzarny> and also has a policy against bots
Nov 23 10:59:40 <buZz> yeah i hit that limit a bunch of times
Nov 23 10:59:56 <buZz> if you can read along on the serverside, there would be lower chance of people noticing
Nov 23 10:59:56 <KotCzarny> sure, nsa probably has it's own freenode connection
Nov 23 11:00:10 <KotCzarny> but commercial entrepeneurs dont
Nov 23 11:00:19 <buZz> like andrew lee?
Nov 23 11:00:35 <KotCzarny> who is that?
Nov 23 11:00:55 <sixwheeledbeast> sicelo: The issue is it being done internally by a company not just by any random bot.
Nov 23 11:01:48 <sixwheeledbeast> Freenodes owner?
Nov 23 11:02:33 <buZz> KotCzarny: andrew lee is korean prince that owns Londontrustmedia who owns PIA and Freenode and some NYC brothel and some wrestling stuff
Nov 23 11:02:46 <buZz> and a house in LA that looks like its been in >50% of porn movies
Nov 23 11:02:59 <KotCzarny> irc can generate a lot of data, so he probably has to partner with some company for data processing
Nov 23 11:03:09 <buZz> he owns a ton of companies
Nov 23 11:05:10 <sixwheeledbeast> The other thing is if an IRC network became out of favour then you can always move to another it's not proprietary 
Nov 23 11:05:33 <buZz> yeah OFTC is still voluntary run
Nov 23 11:05:42 <buZz> and not owned by some single royalty company
Nov 23 11:07:30 <KotCzarny> thing is that freenode became de facto standard for development/projects support
Nov 23 11:07:36 <KotCzarny> and cooperation
Nov 23 11:07:41 <sixwheeledbeast> People that use IRC now are more tech knowledgable so upsetting them may lead to mass migration and therefore nothing to monitor. It's probably a lose lose situation.
Nov 23 11:08:11 <buZz> sixwheeledbeast: yeah i think andrew didnt think it through
Nov 23 11:08:18 <buZz> he also owns kiwiirc btc
Nov 23 11:11:10 <KotCzarny> thing is, its not that easy to migrate
Nov 23 11:11:22 <KotCzarny> and it all depends on cost calculation
Nov 23 11:11:49 <KotCzarny> if there is money to gain from selling data that will make up for the cost of the network, guess what will happen
Nov 23 11:12:41 <buZz> so you're argueing the data is already being sold a lot
Nov 23 11:12:54 <KotCzarny> isnt it?
Nov 23 11:12:57 <buZz> and the commercial owner of freenode cant proof anything to guarantee it doesnt happen
Nov 23 11:13:57 <buZz> so when is #maemo moving to OFTC?
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Nov 24 00:22:18 <sunshavi>  Hi. I want to locate this song on cutetube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddLd0QRf7Vg
Nov 24 00:22:34 <sunshavi> any tips what search string I should input
Nov 24 00:26:09 <sunshavi> got it "playing for change what a wonderful world"
Nov 24 02:04:57 <Wikiwide> Tired. I replaced cellular antenna with an undamaged one, I put blutack over the four chips near SIM card, and additionally a piece of plastic (old simcard) under battery over four chips.
Nov 24 02:05:55 <Wikiwide> Telecommunications error went away, but it seems to day "No SIM card", now.
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