**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 22 03:01:07 2020 Jan 22 03:04:42 yes Jan 22 03:04:54 but only if it matches your desired build config Jan 22 10:23:43 I am tired. There is no way to calm down mother. Jan 22 10:23:44 One day she says that my Nokia N900/Samsung U900 is too old, non-functional (mostly web-browser and maps) and falling apart, and that I need to get a new, Android-y smartphone. Jan 22 10:24:40 Another day she says that it is unreasonable to invest in a device before it gets produced, that I should buy something off-the-shelf instead of risking my money at vaporware. Jan 22 10:25:51 And when I finally get Fedex SMS about item arriving by 29th of January, she is once again annoyed at: 1) me buying two phones (who will use the second Fxtec Pro1?); 2) expensiveness Jan 22 10:27:39 just get her some cheapo, 2nd hand one? Jan 22 10:27:45 and if you are into linux/open source phone, pinephone could be better (once there is a stable OS for it) Jan 22 10:27:48 150usd is quite good price if you ask me Jan 22 10:28:04 Let me go over the most expensive things at our house: iPad (~200$) of our 8yo brother, bicycle (~200$) of our 8yo brother, bicycle (with gears, adult, 700c wheels) of our mother, office printer(65$? Don't remember) Jan 22 10:28:19 what about laptops? Jan 22 10:28:22 tvs? Jan 22 10:29:02 Problem is, I want a phone with hardware keyboard. And most phones, Android or Linux, aren't that. Jan 22 10:29:22 there are plans for hwkb sleeve for pinephone Jan 22 10:29:43 it even has pogopins in the back already Jan 22 10:29:54 Laptops: ancient Fujitsu Lifebook S7210, ancient Acer Travelmate, have been using them for about 10 years. Jan 22 10:30:41 Pins... :Grimace: If I liked that, I would have bought Jolla and TOH already, I guess? Jan 22 10:31:35 I don't know, did anybody do a review of Pro1 vs Jolla+TOH vs Motorola Droid ? Jan 22 10:31:49 pins are much better than bt Jan 22 10:32:06 you wont be exposing yourself to air-hacking Jan 22 10:32:24 Either way, I would have preferred resistive touchscreen. But alas, that's nearly impossible. Jan 22 10:32:58 Yes, pins are better than bluetooth. But proper solid slider may be even better? Jan 22 10:34:03 I would have been more sure of my right to spend money "frivolously" on such expenses if I was sure that my employment is permanent. Jan 22 10:34:47 And if I didn't have a variety of health problems. Putting a crown on a tooth costs as much as the phone, about 1k AUD, doesn't it? Jan 22 10:35:32 As it is, I am frugally commuting by bicycle. No buses, no trams, no trains. Jan 22 10:36:17 It is bad enough that membership of FSF, two unions and one surf life saving club is eating into money. Jan 22 10:38:18 :) Jan 22 10:38:45 I hope I will not get ill from lack of exercise. That's one of the reasons I cycle every day. Sweating a lot, poor shirts... Jan 22 10:39:13 tbh i dont do any exercises Jan 22 10:39:20 yet, i'm quite healthy Jan 22 10:39:37 I should get a different smilie theme. I cannot see what smilie it is on the screen :-/ Jan 22 10:40:25 My lungs get tired from just walking up the stairs, from G to 3. But at least, I still can beat the lift. Jan 22 10:41:33 But I don't compare myself against lift that often. Just a few times a year. Jan 22 10:42:33 You see, most laptops can boot up-to-date Linux. And up-to-date Linux can run up-to-date software. Jan 22 10:43:01 With phones, it is not so. Most phones can only run out-of-date version of Android or iOS. Jan 22 10:43:35 if phones are supported by mainline linux Jan 22 10:43:48 Not many are. Jan 22 10:44:12 pinephone is Jan 22 10:44:26 Besides, when people get rid of phones, they are often not working. Broken display, or some other not obvious fault. Jan 22 10:44:58 as for second hand stuff, often they just cant run some app with higher android Jan 22 10:45:04 Pinephone is without hardware keyboard. For now, sure... And what camera does it have, 5MPx? Jan 22 10:45:44 pinephone isnt top-of-the-line part, it's biggest feature is hackability, as it's very open Jan 22 10:45:53 Laptops are usually working. And if they aren't working, they aren't glued into an impossible to fix mess. Jan 22 10:45:55 i should get mine in a week or two Jan 22 10:46:22 then i would be able to verify all the claims Jan 22 10:46:47 but im pretty sure there will be a lot of reviews once people get theirs Jan 22 10:47:09 Yes, hackability is good. In that regards, I should try to use the ancient Motorola phone - it runs Linux, and, it has hardware T9 keyboard. And resistive touchscreen. Jan 22 10:47:50 i will probably mod mine to dual boot android and linux Jan 22 10:48:01 I don't know if it will be possible to attach any new hardware to it - say, 4G USB stick as USB slave - but it is still neat. Jan 22 10:48:50 Fxtec Pro1 will have to dual boot Android and Maemo Leste, I guess. Is there a guide on how to do that? Jan 22 10:49:49 i would ask #maemo-leste Jan 22 10:50:14 I am super worried about this arriving Fxtec Pro1. First, I don't have a belt pouch for it yet - and it's a huge device! Don't want it falling onto road while I am cycling. Jan 22 10:51:15 Second, there are two of them. Because I expect that they will get more expensive as demand rises, or, they will not be manufactured at all as demand goes down. Jan 22 10:51:25 and that's another reason not to spend much on the mobile device Jan 22 10:51:46 pine folks arent going to go away for a while Jan 22 10:52:06 Third, I have got to make sure my brother doesn't start attacking new toy with gusto. But I hope that if he just wants to play with an Android phone... Jan 22 10:52:19 and if their kickstarters keep getting funded, i would expect better stuff in the future Jan 22 10:52:41 Then Galaxy S5 or something (picked up free of charge somewhere) is quite enough. Jan 22 10:55:26 Anyway, it's good that Pyra isn't arriving until April. Maybe, by then I will be able to clean out my room sufficiently that people will not think of my tech as junk anymore. Jan 22 10:56:34 And I cannot wait for gry to move the web server to her Nokia N900! Seriously, having laptop on 24/7 just for that is power-consuming. Jan 22 10:58:08 I am a hoarder. I do try to hoard only working (or easily fixable) electronics (and bicycles), and I do try to sell those of them which I find perfectly useless for me. Jan 22 10:58:21 ever heard of orange pi? Jan 22 10:58:31 But I have still got way too many things. Jan 22 10:58:32 for 10usd you can get fully functional linux board Jan 22 10:58:42 that will draw ~0.5-1W of power Jan 22 10:58:53 that's less than charging the phone Jan 22 10:59:36 Fully functional Linux board... Sure. i already have Nokia N900 - which somehow has working charging port and non-functional cellular. Web-server is a perfect usage for it. Jan 22 10:59:48 nokia has 256megs of ram only Jan 22 11:00:02 which is mostly used Jan 22 11:00:10 also lacks ethernet port Jan 22 11:00:14 If I find an orange pi board somewhere, I will keep it in mind. Jan 22 11:00:44 We don't use much Ethernet around here, because people and doors and such. Cables are tiresome. Jan 22 11:00:58 but you surely have a router, no? Jan 22 11:01:04 I don't remember, does Pocket Chip have an Ethernet port? Jan 22 11:01:27 maybe on some pins, but not natively Jan 22 11:01:37 A router, yes. Can it run ikiwiki server, an IRC server, and whatever) else? Jan 22 11:01:50 anything that linux can run Jan 22 11:01:57 it's just plain linux computer Jan 22 11:02:11 Not every modemorouter can run Linux. Jan 22 11:02:12 but very small (and arm based) Jan 22 11:02:32 that depends on ram/flash size and linux support Jan 22 11:02:47 most allwinner chips are mainlined by community Jan 22 11:03:12 and are perfect if you dont like any blobs, but you do want normal linux machine Jan 22 11:03:19 Oh, a question : does Lenovo Thinkpad tablet support Linux? Jan 22 11:04:06 i dont know, have no experience with lenovo tablets Jan 22 11:04:49 Because if it does, I could try running Maemo something on it. If it doesn't support any kind of Linux besides ancient Android, then I have got to sell it. Jan 22 11:05:22 : sigh : Model of tablet... Jan 22 11:05:50 google is your friend, i guess Jan 22 11:07:54 TP00028A Jan 22 11:09:51 Whatever that stands for Jan 22 11:16:00 CM10 ROM available? https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846044 Jan 22 11:20:58 In short, very unmaintained. https://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Lenovo_ThinkPad_Tablet?sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivqcemiZfnAhUCJzQIHZRJD8YQFjACegQIBBAB#Ports_Available Jan 22 11:21:07 Sorry, https://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Lenovo_ThinkPad_Tablet Jan 22 12:27:06 oh, I'm used to intel ThinkPad with tablet converting rotating screen! Jan 22 13:10:03 maemo on a thinkpad? :D Jan 22 13:22:47 ever heard of maemo-fremantle? ;) Jan 22 13:22:58 i mean maemo-leste Jan 22 13:51:53 KotCzarny: i run maemo leste on a droid4 ;) Jan 22 13:52:06 i wrote that 'postinstall' howto on maemo leste's wiki even Jan 22 13:54:01 then you should know that leste is meant to run any thing with mainline linux and opengl Jan 22 13:54:02 :) Jan 22 13:54:20 right ;) but -still- its ment for more mobile usage Jan 22 13:54:40 you dont need a 'alarm clock' or a 'phone manager' on a thinkpad, i'd assume Jan 22 13:54:55 unless its thinkpad-tablet? Jan 22 13:54:56 ;) Jan 22 14:02:55 KotCzarny: does that have a voicemodem then? Jan 22 14:03:05 afaik its just data Jan 22 14:03:13 n8x0 had skype even being modemless Jan 22 14:03:23 yeah not the same thing ;) Jan 22 14:03:38 still, possible to use as communicator **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 22 17:14:38 2020 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 23 02:59:57 2020