**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 21 02:59:57 2020 May 21 05:43:11 I find it novel that not only does the .su ccTLD for the USSR still exist, apparently it even supports IPv6 too even though only IPv4 was used in 1991, when the USSR ended. May 21 06:00:02 Does the ccTLD for the GDR (East Germany) still exist, assuming that it did exist? Apparently .dd was never added to the root name servers but was used internally in an isolated network among universities in the GDR before the GDR became part of the FRG. May 21 06:24:50 What does it mean for a ccTLD to support IPv6? May 21 06:39:57 Maxdamantus: The same for any other type of TLD I guess but I thought the English-language Wikipedia has a column/field for IPv6 support in at least one table or list of TLDs, which implies that not all TLDs support IPv6. Maybe what they actually mean is whether AAAA records can be used in addition to A records. I do not know enough about the DNS to answer this question with certainty, would have to research more before answering. May 21 06:58:12 Actually, after thinking about it more, I guess what it means is whether the authoritative name server for the top-level domain allows to use an IPv6 address as opposed to only an IPv4 address to specify the authoritative name server for the second-level domain name. Am I correct? May 21 07:34:19 Got a free N810 with my latest N900 device. Wonder if I can revive the dead battery that it came with. May 21 07:34:32 Was at something like 2.2 V May 21 07:34:39 that's dangerous May 21 07:34:43 just buy new one May 21 07:35:43 Dangerous trying to revive it, or dangerous to have a working battery that at some point was at 2.2 V? May 21 07:36:27 STUN solves a lot of the v4 VOIP issues. May 21 07:38:38 Hm. After keeping it on charge at around 3.8 V for a minute or so, it seems to be staying at around 3.5 V off charge. May 21 07:38:58 Until every ISP can offer v6 the transition will be slow. NAT was a pretty clever work around IMO. May 21 07:38:59 Will leave it like that for a bit longer then try just putting it in the device with the charger. May 21 07:39:16 (leave it off charge that is) May 21 07:39:21 Lithium are unstable if they are faulty May 21 07:41:28 danger being li-ion crystallizing inside May 21 07:41:37 which can damage internal structure May 21 07:41:47 further leading to internal shorts and fire May 21 07:43:44 if you put it into device, charge without backpanel May 21 07:43:58 afaict, 2.2 V is not particularly dangerously low. May 21 07:43:59 so you will see when it puffs May 21 07:44:03 it is May 21 07:44:08 and it is at least an official Nokia battery. May 21 07:44:09 anything lower than 2.9 May 21 07:44:19 No, that's silly. May 21 07:45:06 it's about crystallization, which happens faster on lower voltages May 21 07:45:33 multiply it by the time it was at that state May 21 07:45:53 and your chance of a pocket fire grenade is high May 21 07:50:13 Hmm.. wondering if the charging mechanism on the device actually doesn't work. It's at least able to boot now into the charging mode (by plugging in the power source while the battery is in), but it just says "Not charging", and the power supply is not drawing any current (when it booted, it was drawing around 6 W) May 21 07:50:33 well, correction, at lower voltages copper dissolves into electrolyte, then such electrolyte during charging creates dendrites (crystallizes) creating spikes May 21 07:50:36 I saw the same behaviour when trying it using an Asha 503 battery in it (have to hold it awkwardly) May 21 07:51:23 would it be battery reporting that it's not safe to charge again? May 21 07:51:42 so dumb charger will work, but not n900's one May 21 07:51:44 Personally I'd leave it charging at 3.8V for a longer time May 21 07:52:11 (and keep an eye on it, obviously) May 21 07:52:11 I don't really have a way of controlling the charging voltage. Was just using a 5 V supply on it. May 21 07:52:29 Did you ... charge it at 5V? :D May 21 07:52:37 (I hope no) May 21 07:52:42 o.O May 21 07:53:39 I put a 5 V power supply on it, and the circuit went up to around 3.85 V. Obviously don't want to leave it like that for more than a minute or so, so was hoping it would just be enough to boot the device into a charging mode. May 21 07:54:03 well ... May 21 07:54:06 on the device or just straight on the battery? May 21 07:54:10 let's up you didn't damage it further May 21 07:54:10 you can use some resistor to drop 5v into ~4v May 21 07:54:23 s/up/hope/ May 21 07:54:23 bencoh meant: let's hope you didn't damage it further May 21 07:54:28 infobot: <3 May 21 07:54:28 extra, extra, read all about it, <3 is love May 21 07:54:32 haha May 21 07:54:38 “Wonder if I can revive the dead battery that it came with.” seems grammatically ambiguous because it is not clear whether the intended antecedent of the pronoun “it” is the N810 or the N900 but in this context I guess it does not matter if both models of computer use the same model of battery. Do the predecessors of the N900 also use a Nokia BL-5J or BL-4J battery? If yes then calling this model of battery a “cell phone battery” seems like a May 21 07:54:38 misnomer, as is common or even usual for common usage, because not all of the models of computers even from Nokia, the first party, that use this model of battery have cellular telephony capability. May 21 07:55:01 The N810. May 21 07:55:27 and no, this N810 battery is apparently a "BP-4L" May 21 07:56:37 https://www.polarcell.de/handyakkus/nokia/ersetzt-originalakku-polarcell-li-ion-akku-ersetzt-originalakku-nokia-bp-4l.html May 21 07:57:35 1700mAh? hmmm May 21 07:57:41 I'm able to awkwardly get an Asha 503 battery into it, in which case the device boots and runs fine, though still when attaching the charger with that, it says "Not charging". May 21 07:58:13 Maxdamantus: I don't remember what the 3rd pin is supposed to be May 21 07:58:27 1wire communication May 21 07:58:28 I guess it might be useful to try and wire the BP-4L in its nearly-working state to the Asha 503, which should be able to charge it correctly. May 21 07:58:28 (it could be an id resistor, or a thermistor) May 21 07:58:35 or that May 21 07:58:44 they have a Li-PO version too cheaper but less capacity May 21 07:59:15 anyway, the 3rd pin on the Asha battery might have some other use, and charger will decide not to charge because of this. May 21 07:59:23 We'll see. May 21 08:01:40 you can always use piece of paper to block unused contacts May 21 08:02:30 KotCzarny: unless they are required May 21 08:05:37 anyway, new polarcell doesnt cost much, and will have much higher usability (working capacity) May 21 08:05:54 unless you just want to play for an hour on that n8x0 May 21 08:06:27 the issue I see with n810 batteries is they are exclusively for old Nokia devices. N900 size have other uses. May 21 08:09:51 sixwheeledbeast: Such as Symbian computers? Heh. May 21 08:12:52 A good few DECT phones Siemens/Gigaset, a couple still in production. May 21 08:13:06 Why did Nokia release the C6-00 with a microUSB connector but still have a separate barrel connector for power? It took me a while to realise why I could not power the computer from the microUSB connector whilst I briefly had a C6-00 in 2010. May 21 08:13:53 also the nokia devices are more likely to be still around May 21 08:29:35 Seems that the Asha refused to charge it. Looks like an N900 is charging it though. May 21 08:29:59 :) May 21 08:30:11 different charging chip protocol? May 21 08:30:19 i wonder if it's the case May 21 08:30:29 Feels like a dodgier setup though. It's even harder to hold it in place in the N900 (using aluminium foil around the contacts), and N900 has a ground shield behind the battery tied to negative. May 21 08:30:30 or just different safe-guard params on phones May 21 08:30:59 Dunno. May 21 08:32:06 The Asha would start the charging mechanism (which involves showing a battery symbol with a lightning bolt in it), but it would just turn off before getting to the stage where it would show a charging icon instead. May 21 08:32:42 And when I booted the actual OS on the Asha, it said something like "needs charge" including with a power source. May 21 08:33:55 3d print universal battery adapter May 21 08:33:57 :> May 21 08:34:30 If I covered the third pin when putting the battery in the Asha, it would do the same thing, but it would reboot (back to the lightning bolt picture) after turning off. May 21 08:34:56 it might be the bme in asha is more picky about state of charge May 21 08:35:06 similar to 5dot syndrome on n900 May 21 08:35:52 Re: calling the N900 a “phone”: The N900 does not have cellular connectivity in Canada unless you happen to use Rogers Wireless or one of its MVNOs due to the limited cellular modem used in the N900. May 21 08:37:29 Hm, and BL-5J in the N810 still gets the "Not charging" message. May 21 08:37:53 :shrug: it's still a phone. Just because you take something somewhere you can't use it doesn't change it's properties. May 21 08:38:11 Also there's VOIP May 21 08:42:59 Actually, there may have been other cellular networks in Canada using AWS (in the cellular connectivity context, not the Amazon context although you can use AWS over AWS) that were compatible with the N900 cellular modem but I think at least one of those companies is defunct by now. I keep mentioning this fact about the limited cellular modem of the N900 because I live in Canada. May 21 08:45:17 Granted, Nokia did not even release the N900 in Canada, maybe because they realised that this hardware limitation made the N900 not competitive. May 21 08:52:22 The reason for Apple not releasing the original Apple iPhone in Canada may be similar because, if I recall correctly, the cellular modem in the original iPhone is compatible only with the Rogers Wireless network, not with Telus Mobility nor Bell Mobility. Canada having a total population less than only the US state of California, where Apple is, is likely also part of the reason. May 21 08:59:20 Hm. Wonder if the issue is just the power supply that came with this N810. Haven't been able to test its voltage while charging. May 21 08:59:42 It's just a cigarette lighter supply. May 21 09:00:44 * Maxdamantus will try to attach another source to it later. May 21 15:50:40 i miss using the N810 May 21 15:50:48 its such a nice device May 21 15:50:57 if only the specs were a bit better May 21 16:15:48 I messaged my contact at the KingSpec Global Store via the SMS/MMS, will see if I receive a reply but it is currently just after midnight in the two Chinas. May 21 17:13:19 ~sb May 21 17:13:20 rumour has it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB May 21 17:14:14 Remote Procedure Call calls, heh. May 21 20:58:35 buZz: GPD Win 2 isn't too bad May 21 20:59:22 major problems are Intel backdoor and batteries inflating May 21 21:00:47 and unswappable battery? May 21 21:01:02 luke-jr: i'm really liking the droid4 with leste May 21 21:01:37 buZz: I've swapped mine a few times May 21 21:01:52 already? May 21 21:01:52 custom battery tho, so when they stop making it, we're screwed :/ May 21 21:01:54 yes May 21 21:01:58 once a year it seems May 21 21:02:10 its amazing how many different sizes of lipo pouches you can get on aliexpress btw May 21 21:02:35 mist sais kuivattui neekereitä May 21 21:02:56 buZz: GPD Win 2 batteries are 2 batteries glued together basically May 21 21:03:24 like this ; https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32864710983.html , -looks- like the right size to fit in a droid4 May 21 21:03:39 sorry, wrong channel and stupid inside joke May 21 21:03:57 luke-jr: i'm sure you're able to glue something yourself :) May 21 21:04:47 buZz: not going to try unless I absolutely have to May 21 21:04:54 :) May 21 21:05:00 just got 2 new batteries May 21 21:05:02 cost me $100 :< May 21 21:05:18 one I had to use immediately, and 1 spare May 21 21:06:16 in zipit z2 , originally it came with a 1230mAh cell, grabbing one from aliexpress that fit gave me 2000mAh and ~10 hr of usage May 21 21:06:58 this time around, I configured my CPU to max at 50% CPU May 21 21:07:03 and turned off half the cores May 21 21:07:12 hopefully that will help avoid battery expansion May 21 21:07:15 brightness down helps a ton aswell :) May 21 21:07:27 and not going under ~10% and over ~90% May 21 21:07:31 most of the time I keep the screen off May 21 21:07:43 and I configured it to hibernate at 40% a year ago :p May 21 21:07:50 I can't avoid going over 90% May 21 21:07:50 :) May 21 21:08:12 stupid Chinese people don't understand when I ask how to turn off the charger in software :/ May 21 21:08:29 heh May 21 21:08:30 (not that Chinese people are stupid, but these particular Chinese people don't understand English well enough) May 21 21:08:48 or you dont know enough mandarin :D May 21 21:09:01 well, they *could* have different staff for each language May 21 21:09:22 hmhm May 21 21:09:27 or outsource it to us May 21 21:11:38 yeah, no reason they shouldn't be able to get batteries made in the US and avoid $80 shipping May 21 23:02:53 The contrast between english speaking world and the rest is pretty stark May 21 23:03:36 I was dealing with an industrial supplier in Italy, fully expecting that there'd be no issue communicating in english in europe May 21 23:04:51 Then they kinda fucked up their email replies. The engineer I was talking to, in his email reply, accidentally quoted the 3 different translators he had been emailing to figure out what I was saying :( May 21 23:05:31 I should have known it was suspicious when they were replying in less broken english than the germans usually do... May 21 23:05:54 (germans dont use translators, they just write german if they dont know english words) May 21 23:05:58 :D May 22 02:49:55 yikes, what were you saying⁇ lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 22 02:59:57 2020