**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 25 02:59:57 2020 May 25 06:58:45 Re: discussion months ago about low cost of Core 2 era (desktop) computers: apparently now I can buy a used Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 CPU on eBay from Metro Vancouver, Canada for only 4 CAD each plus 2 CAD shipping. May 25 07:55:19 brolin_empey: saw cheap thinkpadsof that type May 25 07:55:48 brolin_empey: IME the main limiting factor is often coming with chipsets/system that can't take more than 4gb ram (often only 3 to 3.8gb usable) May 25 08:10:16 Core 2 is unpatchable Spectre-vulnerable, right? May 25 08:10:58 luke-jr: hrrm good point/question! May 25 08:11:56 the x230 thinkpad is my craptop of choice May 25 08:12:03 practically free May 25 08:12:39 deepy: i'm on an x201t =) May 25 08:13:16 enyc: whoa, does that have the good ol keyboard? May 25 08:13:31 deepy: yes =) May 25 08:13:40 deepy: and use the think pen drawing sometmise May 25 08:13:54 that looks absolutely fantastic May 25 08:14:46 deepy: you can get modded bios/ec whatnot for x230 to fit the x220 keyboard... May 25 08:15:17 that seems like a lot of work and the x230 keyboard is pretty good for a laptop keyboard May 25 08:15:40 deepy: i tihkn the fiddly work already been done May 25 08:15:50 deepy: but if you get on with x230 kb, fine ;p May 25 08:16:02 the beauty of the x230 is that it's cheap and very easy to find May 25 08:16:21 So if worst comes to worst I just shell out $200 and move the HDD/RAM 5 days later when it has shipped May 25 08:17:45 there was no x201t on Swedish ebay :'( May 25 08:20:00 deepy: x220t x230t etc. exist May 25 08:20:28 x220t and x230t had the not-as-great keyboard though May 25 08:28:11 deepy: i thought x220t good kb too, x230 is the newer May 25 08:28:46 oh, so it is May 25 09:14:29 can someone add maemo leste to this page? http://wiki.maemo.org/Projects May 25 09:29:31 wish granted. thanks swb May 25 09:30:35 done yer May 25 12:14:38 Hmm .. seems that the reliability issues I was having with this N810 battery might have just been due to bad pin contact. May 25 12:14:56 Bent the pins inwards and it hasn't turned off randomly since. May 25 12:28:21 enyc: i dont think you need to mod -any- software to use a x220 keyboard on x230 May 25 12:29:48 seems like that anyway .. havent tried May 25 12:29:49 https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=104889 May 25 12:31:46 Probably not the best idea to bend pins. I found on the N900 the sprung pieces opposite the terminals in the battery tray can flatten a little causing random reboots after a small fall. May 25 12:32:28 I just mean pins on the battery itself, not pins on the device. May 25 12:32:56 Ah N900 is flat pads May 25 12:32:56 The battery contacts on the device seem reasonably solid, not something you'd want to bend. May 25 12:33:11 Hmm .. is it? May 25 12:33:23 I think N900 has the same style of contacts as N810. May 25 12:34:25 Where the contacts on the device are fairly solid pieces of copper that slot into the battery. May 25 12:34:46 The battery has bendy pins that wrap around those device contacts. May 25 12:34:57 * Maxdamantus doesn't know the terminology for all this stuff. May 25 12:35:08 Ok so apparently I am completely wrong and imagined that May 25 12:38:20 I would think slotted is the correct term. May 25 12:39:25 It makes sense to have the replaceable part the bit that wears or has flex TBH. May 25 14:08:25 buZz: humm ... layout different and there si a n issue with voltage for backlight May 25 14:09:19 buZz: "The keys on the seventh row are mostly not working" May 25 14:09:53 buZz: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads May 25 14:09:55 =) May 25 14:14:38 nice that the palmrest method is almost trivial May 25 14:15:46 but i personally love the pg up/down near the arrows block May 25 14:15:52 its much more convenient May 25 19:14:24 enyc: Some of the Intel graphics and memory controllers for Core 2, such as Q35 (DDR2 only) and Q45 (DDR2 and DDR3), officially support up to at least 8 GiB. At least the Q35 unofficially supports 16 GiB but it requires low-density 4-GiB DDR2 DIMMs that cost around 50 CAD each. May 25 19:35:58 brolin_empey: hrrm x201t i suspect not May 25 19:36:10 even tho thats i5/i7 etc May 25 19:36:25 brolin_empey: well familiar with similar RAM issues with intel 440BX =) May 25 19:58:43 G-41 chipset takes up to 8GB May 25 19:59:51 enyc: Intel moved the RAM controller from the north bridge to the CPU beginning with Nehalem (original Core i7 released in 2008 November). AMD made the same change in 2003 beginning with the Opteron and Athlon 64. May 25 20:03:43 enyc: I still have an ATX tower computer with Asus P2B motherboard with Intel 440BX and 400-MHz Pentium II. If I recall correctly, I tried to “max it out” with 3×256 MiB DIMMs but had some problem with 768 MiB so it has only 512 MiB of main memory. May 25 20:48:55 brolin_empey: =) you seen the "ultimate P2B-DS" ? 1575mhz, ajusted agtl voltages, bios, allsorts...? May 25 20:56:17 brolin_empey: I have Gigabytp eequivalent, GA-686BX dual/scsi something or other May 25 21:07:15 enyc: ah > May 25 21:07:15 Unless you also reflash the Embedded Controller firmware, some keys won't be detected at all and others will have different functions. May 25 21:07:22 didnt know there was such a option ;) May 25 21:08:35 sixwheeledbeast: thanks May 25 21:22:59 np May 25 23:54:14 enyc: No, I was not aware of it. Is P2B-DS another Asus model of motherboard? I only have the plain Asus P2B, without any suffix. May 26 01:49:51 brolin_empey: dual scsi May 26 01:50:10 enyc: On your Gigabyte 440BX motherboard, assuming it has at least one ISA slot, is the connector for the ISA slot all one piece of plastic (for both the 8-bit part and the 16-bit extension) like on the Asus P2B? I cannot install some 8-bit ISA cards, such as a CGA, because these cards only physically fit in an 8-bit ISA slot, not a 16-bit ISA slot, due to the shape of the card and I cannot just remove the 16-bit part of the connector from the motherboard May 26 01:50:10 because both of the ISA slots on the Asus P2B use a connector that is all one piece of plastic for both the 8-bit and 16-bit parts. May 26 01:50:25 so, dual slot1 , and onboard scsi controller May 26 01:51:56 buZz: OK. May 26 01:52:34 welcome May 26 01:55:00 if you want to put a 8bit isa card in a 16bit slot and it doesnt fit, maybe just get a 8bit isa riser? May 26 01:55:16 perhaps you could just desolder the last pins aswell :D May 26 02:11:41 sicelo: Apparently the Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3R Socket T/LGA775 (Core 2 era) desktop motherboard with Intel P45 north bridge officially supports up to 16 GiB of main memory but I have not tried using it with more than 8 GiB. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 26 02:59:57 2020