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Nov 20 04:26:40 <untakenstupidnic> when i remove the sim the bootloop problem stops happening. the sim card was inside the n900 all the time and i can't imagine any physical damage had been done to it. neither n900 nor another phone i tested could detect it. 
Nov 20 04:27:00 <untakenstupidnic> the coverage is really low here, if that matters.
Nov 20 04:28:35 <untakenstupidnic> how could that happen? (the sim not being detected, or the bootloop)
Nov 20 04:30:40 <Maxdamantus> Maybe a problem with the modem? If there's no SIM, it probably won't try doing much with the modem.
Nov 20 04:32:49 <Maxdamantus> Might be worth adding something to /sbin/preinit that logs kernel messages somewhere, eg `cat /dev/vkmsg >/somewhere &`, probably needs to remount root rw first.
Nov 20 07:12:42 <untakenstupidnic> Maxdamantus: any ideas about the undetected sim? i think even if the sim card is expired it still should be detected
Nov 20 07:31:04 <Maxdamantus> Dunno.
Nov 20 07:56:22 <KotCzarny> untakenstupidnic: clean the pads on simcard, check if pins in sim slot arent bent (dont bend them), check another sim card
Nov 20 08:06:54 <inz> I've had one SIM card die while inside N900
Nov 20 08:07:09 <inz> It didn't cause bootloops though, just didn't work (in any other phone either)
Nov 20 09:23:27 <sixwheeledbeast> odds are the modem? but whereas most people have sim undetected it's causing a bootloop, maybe logs or dmesg would help?
Nov 20 09:24:24 <sixwheeledbeast> it a pretty common failpoint for n900s they often require a reflow
Nov 20 09:26:43 <untakenstupidnic> why would the sim die? :(
Nov 20 09:27:02 <sixwheeledbeast> if a PAYG sim is expired it wouldn't be detected I can confirm that
Nov 20 09:27:17 <sixwheeledbeast> not the sim the modem we are talking about
Nov 20 09:27:28 <sixwheeledbeast> oh i see
Nov 20 09:27:46 <sixwheeledbeast> I can't say I have had a broken sim but it could happen
Nov 20 09:31:16 <KotCzarny> doesnt broken modem result in nice yellow bar with a message?
Nov 20 09:32:57 <KotCzarny> not a bootloop, just 'telephony functions disabled'
Nov 20 09:33:22 <sixwheeledbeast> usually
Nov 20 11:38:43 <drathir_tor> KotCzarny: yea it does... at boot time warning but device is fully functional despite such fact...
Nov 20 13:45:02 <sixwheeledbeast> even if it does it after boot you get the banner
Nov 20 13:51:44 <sunshavi> KotCzarny is right about the yellow bar. It is what i watch every time my n900 boots
Nov 20 13:56:39 <sixwheeledbeast> the banner can happen long after boot tho if it's intermittent. I also recall someone complaining of watchdog kicking in with a modem issue but not getting the banner so I wouldn't rule hardware/modem issue out myself.
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