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Dec 09 06:48:45 <ceene> hi guys!
Dec 09 07:11:07 <ceene> sicelo: poor Yappari :(
Dec 09 07:11:41 <sicelo> :-)
Dec 09 07:11:45 <sicelo> yeah
Dec 09 07:12:05 <ceene> there's no alternative whatsapp client working anymore, is it?
Dec 09 07:12:44 <sicelo> but, perhaps your UI can be use by Maemo Leste for SMSes, Telegram, etc
Dec 09 07:13:11 <ceene> it would be a nice GUI for Telegram indeed
Dec 09 07:13:49 <sicelo> ceene: yes doesn't seem to be. in the linux world, people who need whatsapp typically use anbox nowadays
Dec 09 07:14:41 <ceene> i tried anbox long long ago and couldn't get it to work
Dec 09 07:14:42 <ceene> it works now?
Dec 09 07:15:44 <sicelo> seems it works. at least on yt a couple of videos show whatsapp running in it on the pinephone
Dec 09 07:17:06 <ceene> cool
Dec 09 07:17:21 <ceene> just yesterday I installed Leste in one of my N900, and upgraded the easydebian installation on the other
Dec 09 07:17:33 <ceene> I assume Anbox won't run on the N900
Dec 09 07:21:21 <sicelo> due to ram, unlikely. someone got it working on droid 4 however, at least as POC
Dec 09 07:26:54 <ceene> oh, it exists on devuan on apt
Dec 09 07:26:57 <ceene> i'll have to try it
Dec 09 07:36:06 <sicelo> Yeah
Dec 09 07:36:44 <sicelo> btw in Leste is qt5, not qt4, but surely the porting won't be difficult
Dec 09 08:20:13 <ceene> and now  they've released qt6
Dec 09 08:20:16 <ceene> we're always behind
Dec 09 08:21:34 <sicelo> :P
Dec 09 08:21:55 <sicelo> well, leste likely can upgrade to qt6 as well
Dec 09 09:17:30 <clort> ｌｅｓｔｅ  ｉｓ  ｂｅｓｔｅ！
Dec 09 09:26:41 <bencoh> you'd android kernel bits for anbox to work, by the way
Dec 09 09:27:01 <bencoh> (either as a module, or enabled builtin)
Dec 09 09:30:04 <clort> how is compatibility and speed vs something like alien dalvik
Dec 09 15:12:46 <CatButts> ~sb
Dec 09 15:12:47 <infobot> scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Dec 09 15:18:14 <CatButts> if I want to extract headers and libs for compiling maemo5 applications, is server vm image fine too, or is desktop one absolutely necesary?
Dec 09 15:28:44 <Pali> IIRC X11 is needed only in case you want to run GUI X11 applications
Dec 09 15:29:14 <Pali> if your "compilation process" does not require to use X11, you do not need X11 desktop at all
Dec 09 15:30:19 <bencoh> I've worked with a headless vm only for years :)
Dec 09 15:30:58 <CatButts> does X11 presence also imply headers for compiling N900 applications?
Dec 09 15:31:18 <bencoh> ?
Dec 09 15:32:04 <CatButts> does X11 being present or not in image affect my ability to compile N900 apps that may depend on X11?
Dec 09 15:32:28 <bencoh> you can do anything you want/need with a headless image
Dec 09 15:32:55 <CatButts> ah, so server image has all I would need
Dec 09 15:32:59 <bencoh> yeah
Dec 09 15:33:44 <bencoh> iirc I manually installed scratchbox on a headless debian vm back then
Dec 09 15:34:53 <CatButts> I'm gonna try my hand at a headers+libs onto a windows hosted ARM crosscompiler
Dec 09 15:35:12 <bencoh> side question, but ... do you enjoy suffering? :]
Dec 09 15:35:22 <CatButts> maybe
Dec 09 15:35:34 <bencoh> oh, this explains that I guess ;>
Dec 09 15:35:38 <CatButts> I wouldn't be running windows XP if I didn't!
Dec 09 15:35:43 * bencoh nods
Dec 09 15:37:24 <KotCzarny> xp is fine
Dec 09 15:37:37 <CatButts> although, last time I tried years ago, I remember there was at least 1 pair of headers that were named almost the same, with different capitalization
Dec 09 15:37:45 <KotCzarny> if you've said winme, then you would be right
Dec 09 15:38:04 <KotCzarny> xp supports ntfs
Dec 09 15:38:10 <KotCzarny> which has case sensitive fs
Dec 09 15:38:36 <KotCzarny> but why not just run linux in virtualbox or something?
Dec 09 15:38:47 <KotCzarny> you have vm image already
Dec 09 15:38:48 <KotCzarny> just boot it
Dec 09 15:39:00 <KotCzarny> kinda obvious
Dec 09 15:41:10 <CatButts> I want to compile a linux application with a batch file, so I can take revenge on all those codebases for compiling crossplatform/windows, where you have config sh scripts and makefiles laced with linux commands
Dec 09 15:41:17 <CatButts> take that!
Dec 09 15:41:44 <KotCzarny> you should just get a work, you have too much time
Dec 09 15:41:51 <KotCzarny> s/work/job/
Dec 09 15:41:51 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: you should just get a job, you have too much time
Dec 09 15:44:34 <CatButts> what GCC version is the one that comes by default with the SDK?
Dec 09 15:44:40 <CatButts> 4.something
Dec 09 15:44:53 <KotCzarny> 4.2
Dec 09 15:59:57 <CatButts> ok, time to suffer
Dec 09 16:00:44 <CatButts> for starters, there seem to be multiple names, such as AArch32 AArch64, eabi gnueabi gnueabi-hf
Dec 09 16:00:56 <CatButts> I probably want gnueabi one
Dec 09 16:01:08 <CatButts> what of AArch?
Dec 09 16:05:05 <CatButts> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AArch64 ah ok, so past N900's capabilities, if this recent(2011)
Dec 09 16:06:08 <sicelo> >> you should just get a job, you have too much time << :-D
Dec 09 16:19:52 <CatButts> > armeb-linux-gnueabi
Dec 09 16:20:02 <CatButts> oh, it gets slightly more complicated
Dec 09 16:20:09 <CatButts> ARM is bi-endianess, right?
Dec 09 16:20:28 <CatButts> but software/OS can be compiled for either
Dec 09 16:20:38 <CatButts> what endianess is Maemo?
Dec 09 16:22:15 <CatButts> I suspect LE, but it doesn't hurt to ask
Dec 09 16:27:47 <bencoh> LE
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