**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 15 02:59:57 2021 Jan 15 10:11:32 https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/01/15/h2-net-card-adds-four-2-5-gbe-ports-to-odroid-h2-h2-sbcs/ Jan 15 10:11:36 erm, wrong channel Jan 15 10:12:48 I could use one of those for my PCI-E x1 slot Jan 15 10:14:21 wouldnt work Jan 15 10:14:25 as it needs 4 lanes Jan 15 10:14:31 and special config Jan 15 10:16:00 at least for two ports Jan 15 10:17:17 you can always get usb-2xeth adapter Jan 15 10:40:11 CatButts: but you can get 4 port pcie x1 card from aliexpress for ~10-20usd Jan 15 10:40:29 it even can be used in sff Jan 15 10:42:29 main interest for me would be PXE(lan booting) Jan 15 10:42:44 havent tried pxe, as im not using it Jan 15 10:43:11 but i bet intel ones could do it (albeit more expensive) Jan 15 10:43:54 any card can at least host Jan 15 10:44:06 for server bootrom doesnt matter Jan 15 10:44:14 and any network card would be fine Jan 15 10:45:23 i bought this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000510964310.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.32.1a957fc0LdBtV3&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.14976.180674.0&scm_id=1007.14976.180674.0&scm-url=1007.14976.180674.0&pvid=62d7cf61-91a3-4554-9fd4-d6bdcdd57eb6&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.14976.180674.0,pvid:62d7cf61-91a3-4554-9fd4-d6bdcdd57eb6,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2343_668%23888%233325%239_4976%230%23180674%2310_4976%2327 Jan 15 10:45:27 erm, ugly link Jan 15 10:45:36 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000510964310.html Jan 15 10:45:54 delightful Jan 15 10:46:05 its seen as 4 separate eth devices Jan 15 10:46:10 so its not a switch Jan 15 10:46:17 just 4 eth chips connected to pcie Jan 15 11:41:35 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001320838198.html imagine n900 resting on stand, and using this keyboard with it Jan 15 11:46:34 bigger than phone Jan 15 12:00:00 KotCzarny: Still ugly URI due to the “.html” that does not belong in the URI. Jan 15 12:05:18 CatButts: That page seems strange because it says “Russian Federation” instead of “Russia” but says “China” instead of “People’s Republic of China”. They use the full name of Russia even though only one Russia exists but use the common name for the PRC even though the Republic of China still exists unless you side with the One China Policy of the PRC. Jan 15 12:10:50 “2.4G and Bluetooth Rechargeable” as a category of mice is strange because Bluetooth apparently still only uses 2.4 GHz as opposed to 4.8 GHz AKA “5 GHz” so Bluetooth mice are a subset of 2.4-GHz wireless mice. Jan 15 12:24:00 Do all production models of ICE-electric hybrid vehicles use a reciprocating piston engine as opposed to a pistonless rotary engine? Jan 15 12:27:40 I guess if a vehicle has either type of rotary engine then it implies that the vehicle is ICE-only, not hybrid. Jan 15 14:15:59 oh, here's an extra heretical idea Jan 15 14:16:19 https://termux.com/ compile applications for N900 on an Android phone Jan 15 14:18:16 but of course, cannot run anything past console applications on Android Jan 15 14:22:49 in that case, maybe I could write on Android, console toolset to compile java and C and package, and have it runnable on N900 Jan 15 14:23:10 so then I could write applications for Android, on the N900 Jan 15 14:23:26 brilliant Jan 15 14:24:53 I may have mixed a few steps here and there, but it could work Jan 15 14:34:18 CatButts: The N900 is a model of computer, not a software platform. Android can already run on the N900 with the NITdroid (= Nokia Internet Tablet Android) port that was apparently never finished. You could also use an HTC myTouch 4G Slide, which should cost little money to buy now because it was originally released in 2011, instead of the N900 if you want a handheld computer running Android with an integrated hardware keyboard, an easily accessible and Jan 15 14:34:18 removable battery, but with higher specifications than the N900, such as more main memory, a capacitive touch screen, and maybe a more capable camera. Jan 15 14:39:14 Also, if you primarily use an x86 computer, you can run Android on an x86 smartphone, such as the first two generations of Asus ZenFone (ZenFone 2 from 2015 and earlier), then you do not need to cross-compile from x86 to ARM. The ZenFone 2 has a difficult to access and remove battery, though, but I think the battery is easily accessible and removable on the first generation of ZenFone models. Jan 15 14:42:20 The Geeksphone Revolution uses x86 too but I had a bad experience with Android 4.2 as shipped by Geeksphone on mine, which I can no longer use because the only battery I had for it was recycled because it expanded/bulged and a replacement battery may be difficult to acquire now that Geeksphone the company is apparently done. Jan 15 14:44:56 Yes, technically I can still use it if I directly power the battery terminals but I should not need to do that because the computer should use power from the USB connector if I connect a powered USB cable. Jan 15 14:50:45 If you care about Flash Player then you should be able to use libflashplayer.so from a common x86 GNU+Linux installation on a mobile x86 computer, such as a smartphone or tablet computer using an Intel Atom x86 SoC, which have been shipping as finished products running Android since 2012. Jan 15 14:52:44 You can usually find x86 smartphones and tablet computers by searching for “Atom” instead of “x86”. Jan 15 14:55:14 I will stick to the devices I have at hand until they succumb Jan 15 14:56:01 Namely the N900 and the Xperia XA2 which my brother eagerly sold me cheap so he can buy the "latest and greatest" Jan 15 14:57:58 I oportunistically took the offer Jan 15 14:58:27 If you had an antiquated vehicle with a carbureted spark-ignition engine with non-electronic fuel ignition, would you bother trying to fix the carburetor inclusive-or points distributor instead of getting a comparatively modern vehicle with a fuel-injected engine with electronic fuel ignition? Jan 15 14:59:33 I have no idea what those terms mean, but gathering the gist of it, I would probably stubbornly stick with old device Jan 15 14:59:46 why do you think I still use winxp? Jan 15 14:59:47 :p Jan 15 15:01:55 Meaning getting a vehicle from the 1980s or later instead of trying to fix obsolete vehicle propulsion technology? Jan 15 15:03:19 Windows XP Service Pack 3 is from 2008 so is around the same vintage as the N900 as originally shipped with Maemo 5. Jan 15 15:06:55 Or getting a diesel (compression-ignition engine) vehicle even from before 1980. Jan 15 15:09:23 Maybe you still use Windows XP because you like SoftICE? Jan 15 15:10:36 I suck at assembler of any kind and I do not know how to operate a debugger Jan 15 20:17:55 because systemd 'takes over' the entire OS, i guess it could be argued to that it is the best system for mobile phones - since you have one daemon handling nearly everything, :-p Jan 15 20:18:18 * sicelo hides, knowing this might be construed as blasphemy :-D **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 15 23:21:53 2021 Jan 16 00:04:38 But devuan|leste does not have systemd :p Jan 16 00:08:31 yeah. i run debian on my n900 sometimes (with sway) Jan 16 00:09:53 will try plasma mobile sometime soon Jan 16 00:10:08 although i expect it to be too heavy for N(00 Jan 16 00:10:13 *N900 Jan 16 00:22:42 this sway? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Sway Jan 16 00:27:11 swaywm (wayland equivalent of i3-wm) Jan 16 00:30:02 ok. on my SBC I have openbox. :) Jan 16 00:30:50 which one is the name of the fremantle window manager? Jan 16 00:32:37 matchbox Jan 16 00:32:38 hildon Jan 16 00:32:45 google helped me Jan 16 00:32:45 ah yes Jan 16 00:33:02 hildon is the Desktop Environment Jan 16 00:33:29 yeah Jan 16 00:33:35 what advantages has swaywm over matchbox?. I am just curious Jan 16 00:34:15 probably no support for matchbox. Jan 16 00:34:18 none - they're totally different things Jan 16 00:34:38 because o wayland Jan 16 00:34:43 + Jan 16 00:34:45 ? Jan 16 00:34:46 plus, matchbox is basically dead, it seems Jan 16 00:36:18 the awesome thing about matchbox is the multitasking view. When You can pick any of the running apps Jan 16 00:36:58 like {osso-xterm, chess, file-browser, dorian} Jan 16 00:37:31 i like it too. actually fremantle still is (one of) the best mobile UX around imo Jan 16 00:37:31 or close any of the running apps Jan 16 00:38:16 droids are far behind. and the the eve fruit are also far behind Jan 16 00:39:45 btw. I have at home a samsung TV that has a dpad :) Jan 16 00:40:10 runs android? or tizen? :p Jan 16 00:40:34 When I realized it was not just a button But a dpad. I thought this TV has an n800 inside Jan 16 00:40:55 with a deco it runs droid :p Jan 16 00:42:13 which one is the one on the n9?. I am going to google Jan 16 00:42:40 meego Jan 16 00:42:50 i have never had a tizen device Jan 16 00:44:15 i haven't either, but i know people who ended up with tizen phones thinking they were running android **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 16 03:00:36 2021