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Apr 27 11:55:06 <Maxdamantus> Hmm .. wonder if there's a shortcut to open the hildon-status-menu dialogue.. my digitiser seems to have gotten worse.
Apr 27 11:58:25 <Maxdamantus> (or some dbus command that I can bind to a key combination)
Apr 27 12:01:26 <KotCzarny> you can try xdo + location click
Apr 27 12:02:13 <Maxdamantus> Heh.
Apr 27 12:02:14 <KotCzarny> or xdotool
Apr 27 12:03:27 <KotCzarny> and you can always hack the hildon source to add a shortcut
Apr 27 12:06:36 <Maxdamantus> Seems that you can detect key presses specifically in the task switcher, with "/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_launcher_navigator", which would be a convenient place to put the shortcut, but probably need some way other than xdo to open the menu from there.
Apr 27 12:07:38 <KotCzarny> you can use xdotool to 'click' in 0,0
Apr 27 12:08:24 <Maxdamantus> 0,0 will open the task switcher, which already has a keyboard shortcut (ctrl-escape; I already use that a lot)
Apr 27 12:08:46 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 27 12:09:10 <KotCzarny> what is hildon status menu then
Apr 27 12:09:19 <Maxdamantus> and in the task switcher you can't directly open the status menu dialogue.
Apr 27 12:09:38 <Maxdamantus> The dialogue with network connection, volume, etc.
Apr 27 12:10:20 <Maxdamantus> er, ctrl-backspace*
Apr 27 12:11:17 <bencoh> what if you click on, say, 5,5 ?
Apr 27 12:11:21 <bencoh> or some other coordinate
Apr 27 12:11:33 <bencoh> ah, not 5,5, nevermind
Apr 27 12:11:53 <bencoh> basically the status-menu button coordinates, not sure what those would be
Apr 27 12:12:10 <KotCzarny> i still dont know what is hildon status menu, must be rusty memory
Apr 27 12:12:24 <KotCzarny> because status panel applets all have specific coords then
Apr 27 12:12:32 <bencoh> KotCzarny: the thing with the clock and various status applet
Apr 27 12:12:52 <KotCzarny> i must find my n900 and check
Apr 27 12:13:26 <bencoh> KotCzarny:
Apr 27 12:13:28 <bencoh> https://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/14.png
Apr 27 12:14:45 <KotCzarny> then yeah, most likely 240,0 click
Apr 27 12:14:56 <bencoh> depends on the theme actually
Apr 27 12:14:57 <KotCzarny> or 64,0
Apr 27 12:15:07 <bencoh> (I think)
Apr 27 12:15:41 <KotCzarny> still, still would need additional clicks to do anything with it
Apr 27 12:16:23 <KotCzarny> xorg had mouse-emulation mode
Apr 27 12:16:42 <KotCzarny> maybe it's not completely disabled in maemo
Apr 27 12:19:53 <Maxdamantus> I've been wanting to experiment with mouse emulation using the touchscreen.
Apr 27 12:20:07 <Maxdamantus> Wonder if there's something you can just tell to Xorg to make that happen.
Apr 27 12:20:30 <Maxdamantus> (ie, basically use the touchscreen as a relative positioned device rather than absolute)
Apr 27 12:20:45 <KotCzarny> as in 'gamepad overlay' type of thingy? ;)
Apr 27 12:21:08 <Maxdamantus> No, as in just pretend it's a touchpad.
Apr 27 12:21:12 <Maxdamantus> like on a laptop.
Apr 27 12:21:42 <Maxdamantus> So you just have a regular mouse and you move the position of the mouse relatively.
Apr 27 12:23:40 <KotCzarny>     MatchIsTouchpad "on"
Apr 27 12:23:41 <KotCzarny>     Driver "evdev"
Apr 27 12:23:41 <KotCzarny>     Option "Mode" "absolute"
Apr 27 12:24:22 <KotCzarny> but it might be set up differently on 2009's xorg
Apr 27 12:25:22 <KotCzarny> is xinput available on maemo?
Apr 27 12:26:09 <KotCzarny> xinput set-mode ABSOLUTE|RELATIVE
Apr 27 12:43:44 <bencoh> I don't think it is, but adding it shouldn't be too hard
Apr 27 12:47:12 <Maxdamantus> xinput 1.6 or whatever I was trying to build is too recent for some of the packages in maemo, will try building an older version tomorrow. I have a feeling I've actually already tried just setting the mode to relative but it didn't work.
Apr 27 12:47:42 <Maxdamantus> Will try on my laptop at work tomorrow, since that has a touchscreen.
Apr 27 12:47:56 <KotCzarny> maybe the driver code for touchscreen has some param
Apr 27 12:48:01 <KotCzarny> ie. kernel module option
Apr 27 12:48:45 <KotCzarny> which interface touchscreen uses in x for maemo?
Apr 27 12:49:23 <Maxdamantus> interface? it's just using evdev.
Apr 27 12:49:30 <KotCzarny> evdev is and interface
Apr 27 12:49:44 <KotCzarny> then maybe those options i've pasted earlier could work
Apr 27 12:50:07 <KotCzarny> replacing absolute with relative or whatever is supported
Apr 27 12:50:21 <KotCzarny> but it would also need enabling mouse pointer
Apr 27 12:50:37 <KotCzarny> and disabling autoclicking on press
Apr 27 12:54:39 <Maxdamantus> Right, so that's probably why you can't just set the mode.
Apr 27 12:57:08 <KotCzarny> some tap to click should be in touchscreen driver
Apr 27 12:57:35 <Maxdamantus> Sounds like that mode indeed isn't for controlling how the input driver is meant to handle the input but for setting some flag in events sent to clients.
Apr 27 12:57:59 <Maxdamantus> so when an X client receives a "mouse" event, it just has a flag that says whether it was from an "absolute" device or from a "relative" device.
Apr 27 12:58:32 <KotCzarny> still a nice idea to make, and game emu folks would love it 10 years ago
Apr 27 12:58:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 12:58:55 <Maxdamantus> I think I saw in a video that Pinephone was doing it.
Apr 27 12:59:10 <KotCzarny> pinephone use recent software
Apr 27 12:59:18 <KotCzarny> so it's easier to pull off
Apr 27 13:19:21 <KotCzarny> *uses
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