**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 01 02:59:57 2010 Mar 01 05:31:27 morning Mar 01 05:35:42 heya Mar 01 05:52:18 * Stskeeps ponders what to do today Mar 01 06:01:36 good morning Mar 01 06:02:19 morning markey Mar 01 06:04:58 Hello Mar 01 06:36:45 ali1234: woot, finished! Mar 01 06:37:34 1207 build-attempted, 39 failed Mar 01 07:38:59 (off topic) were you aware that a "#" channel exists @ freenone? Mar 01 07:39:14 freenode Mar 01 07:39:52 what is that for, metadiscussions? Mar 01 07:41:33 for the unnnamed projects? ;) Mar 01 07:43:28 you mean ## ? Mar 01 07:43:48 nah, # is a perfectly legal name Mar 01 07:49:43 http://www.slideshare.net/distimo/distimo-mobile-world-congress-2010-presentation-mobile-application-stores-state-of-play is interesting reading Mar 01 07:51:06 free vs paid being larger on android than apple is a bit surprising Mar 01 07:51:21 ah, reading it wrong Mar 01 07:51:56 will read that over coffee Mar 01 08:36:18 gah flash Mar 01 08:40:02 ah aahhhh Mar 01 08:40:29 He'll save every one of us Mar 01 08:41:11 I don't know the exact MeeGo implication but anyway I'm sure some of you will be interested about this new Nokia OSS contribution: http://gitorious.org/omap3camera Mar 01 08:44:49 qgil: hmhm there's a generic camera stuff in omap3? Mar 01 08:46:23 Corsac: don't ask me, you have contacts in the gitorious project :) Mar 01 08:47:15 anyway, it's also worth looking who contributed that "generic camera stuff in omap3" Mar 01 08:48:48 qgil: well, the big thing is the ability to hack your camera's sensor.. i wonder what kind of crazy things people can do with that Mar 01 08:50:38 do you think that one is fine by just following meego (mailing list, irc etc) and skip on moblin/maemo/mer (in order to save some time) ? Mar 01 08:51:25 oh, cool - the developer advocate got hired Mar 01 08:51:49 Eh? :) Mar 01 08:52:04 Stskeeps: the killer app since the 70s is the camera that you can use in the street showing you people in underware. Can Linux provide that? :P Mar 01 08:52:30 gour: I guess it depends on your interests - what are they? Mar 01 08:52:45 no camera can do that in helsinki qgil, people wear waaaay too much clothes ;) Mar 01 08:52:48 Stskeeps: Ronan is sitting next to me (and typing) :) Mar 01 08:53:12 frals: maybe near the saunas Mar 01 08:53:40 xray lead aprons will be the next big thing in fashion Mar 01 08:53:56 hehe Mar 01 08:54:16 near saunas, or Raahe (wrt Google Streetview) Mar 01 08:54:16 qgil: to be able to develop (possibly using wx which will be used for desktop) )for the (meego) platform and then buy some appropriate device when something comes out. before the merge i was researching whether to move to maemo or moblin Mar 01 08:55:06 * gour has asked on wx list about support for meego and it seems that some are interested (one of the core devs) Mar 01 08:55:33 gour: i doubt it will be easy to do an appealing mobile app in wx Mar 01 08:55:37 wx? that's interesting Mar 01 08:56:05 robsta: what if we get wxqt? Mar 01 08:57:43 gour: afaik wx doesn't support the "modern" parts like QML Mar 01 08:58:00 how would it since there's no counterpart on the other platforms Mar 01 08:58:18 QML is linux only ? Mar 01 08:58:32 slaine: nope, it's pure Qt Mar 01 08:58:39 well, i'd not need 'appealing' mobile app, just 'working' one Mar 01 08:58:41 slaine: QGraphicsView + JavaScriptCore to be more exact Mar 01 08:58:57 gour: then you can just use plain qt i guess? Mar 01 08:58:59 then why could wxqt utilize QML on other platforms ? Mar 01 08:59:08 * slaine doesn't really care Mar 01 08:59:52 slaine: potentially yes, if wxqt is tracking qt closely Mar 01 09:00:15 I don't know wx unfortunately.. Mar 01 09:00:19 robsta: i plan to use wx for desktop (using haskell) and would like to have 'desktop-lite' version as mobile app Mar 01 09:00:22 gour: i just don't see the point of using wx these days with gtk having fair portability and qt being excellent at that Mar 01 09:01:17 robsta: wx is much better on mac and that's important for me Mar 01 09:02:09 robsta: otoh, i prefer depending on community toolkit...moreover, it's not clear what's happening with qthaskell Mar 01 09:03:08 well, fair enough Mar 01 09:03:35 wx had a ./configure --with-hildon option, but that is from like N7xx era. Mar 01 09:03:45 gour: we've been working pretty hard on our Mac/Cocoa port - so I hope the mac story will improve Mar 01 09:04:11 jebba: yeah, that's old Mar 01 09:04:16 I'm a mac fanatic myself ;) Mar 01 09:04:23 having wxqt would be cool Mar 01 09:05:20 gour: that will only happen in the community. we don't have resources to have any other bindings than JavaScript.. Mar 01 09:05:59 hhartz: you think about qthaskell? Mar 01 09:06:26 gour: never tried haskell - I was more of a LISP head in my Uni days :) Mar 01 09:06:54 hhartz: pls. try it. you'll like it (if you have some taste for FP) ;) Mar 01 09:07:11 gour: but, Qt provides some enablers that make the edges of C++ a bit softer Mar 01 09:07:42 gour: would love to, but don't have nearly enough time.. Mar 01 09:09:00 if there would be active project to provide qthaskell bindings, i'd seriously consider it...however, considering i need desktop app as well, i decided to use wx over gtk+ Mar 01 09:22:22 morning Mar 01 09:22:34 back to original questio...if i'm interested for the future (meego), is there any need to follow maemo/mer/moblin stuff? Mar 01 09:22:38 *question Mar 01 09:26:37 gour, yes Mar 01 09:26:58 slaine: why? Mar 01 09:27:02 I'm of the opinion that the more you know the better placed you'll be Mar 01 09:27:34 i'm curious how much will e.g. happen in moblin itself after merge? Mar 01 09:27:48 as am I Mar 01 09:28:00 I'd guess nothing Mar 01 09:28:02 otoh, i won't use maemo5 as well, and it seems maemo6 will be meego Mar 01 09:28:28 We just don't know Mar 01 09:28:38 nobody knows shit Mar 01 09:28:48 yet we're not supposed to worry about it? :) Mar 01 09:29:03 gour: hardly, it's MeeGo only by name Mar 01 09:29:13 That's like when the italian mobster puts a gun to your head and goes "don't worry about it!" Mar 01 09:29:18 :) Mar 01 09:29:38 initial guesstimates on my part was that MeeGo 1.0 would Moblin 2.2 + Qt apps. That was based on various things I'd heard around the moblin side. But the more time went on the clearer it became that things just hadn't been finalized. Mar 01 09:29:41 achipa: but Moblin is also not much more...we probably won't see 2.2 Mar 01 09:29:57 gour: don't worry too much about the platform, especially if you're using wx anyway Mar 01 09:30:08 gour: just focus on making a nice app Mar 01 09:30:10 thats true Mar 01 09:30:27 "Make the apps, we can make the OS later"? Mar 01 09:30:28 robsta: thanks you for that Mar 01 09:30:35 *thank Mar 01 09:30:43 except it's sometimes a bit hard to focus on nice apps when you don't know the APIs :) Mar 01 09:30:46 gour: trying to follow everything is just distracting Mar 01 09:31:00 achipa: API's to use are already out there Mar 01 09:31:11 robsta: true. that's why i think to focus on meego only Mar 01 09:31:19 I guess it depends when you want to release it. If it's in the next year then maemo/moblin will still be current Mar 01 09:31:31 slaine: which APIs ? The only known API is Qt itself Mar 01 09:31:38 If you write nice, portable code it shouldn't be an issue ;) Mar 01 09:32:16 benbrown: the next year = 2011? Mar 01 09:33:37 benbrown: you think we'll see some new moblin-based devices? moblin focused on clutter-based UI, but i wonder what will happen with it in meego Mar 01 09:33:50 benbrown: that applies only if you need little to no integration with the system. Wander into HW/location/multimedia/social waters and there goes portability... Mar 01 09:34:53 see the Qt Mobility APIs Mar 01 09:35:00 though those are not in Qt itself (yet) Mar 01 09:35:35 achipa, very true Mar 01 09:35:39 seriously how can anyone accept making apps for an OS that doesn't exist yet? :S Mar 01 09:36:26 I'm basing that on the fact that there's a lot of cross tech as regards infra libs on maemo and moblin. Mar 01 09:37:31 tybollt: that doesn't stop anyone. There's already a Debian port of the non-existent OS ;) Mar 01 09:37:39 thiago: the stuff listed in the MeeGo arch (middleware/services) seems somewhat disconnected from QtMobility... Mar 01 09:42:20 achipa: those are the low-level middleware Mar 01 09:42:31 Qt will probably present a cross-platform API on top of that Mar 01 09:42:47 on top of gstreamer (MM), connman (bearer), etc. Mar 01 09:43:01 but if you want to use those middleware in your app, feel free to do so Mar 01 09:43:06 don't expect your app to run on Symbian though Mar 01 09:44:17 think also Web Runtime, that will provide API beyond pure GUI (not released, but in its way) Mar 01 09:44:29 no, no, using stuff on that pretty level is a sure way to some hair-pulling, but it's good to know there will be something that wraps those things in a generic fashion :) Mar 01 09:44:58 well, Qt devs are working on it Mar 01 09:45:19 but so far there's no guarantee that the Mobility work will make it into MeeGo (unless it makes into Qt first, but that requires also working on other platforms) Mar 01 09:45:30 my guess is it will, since Harmattan will use those Mar 01 09:45:46 btw, backends missing for MeeGo? Think of that as an opportunity :-) Mar 01 09:45:55 as I said on the list, it's a bit hard to see what is what with regard to known Maemo/Qt components (Qt proper, QtMobility, DUI, etc) Mar 01 09:46:09 so far, Qt is the only guarantee Mar 01 09:46:21 the rest is up for discussion Mar 01 10:16:14 I'm trying to build libdui on F12. It's giving me lots of: "moc: Invalid argument" Mar 01 10:16:26 on device? Mar 01 10:17:04 no, on x86_64 Mar 01 10:17:14 ah Mar 01 10:17:22 i lost my f12 on device due to corruption when battery died :( Mar 01 10:17:38 ext2 or ext3? :P Mar 01 10:17:43 ext3... Mar 01 10:17:57 jebba: where exactly is the failure? And what was passed to moc? Mar 01 10:18:43 thiago: i'm not certain what is passed to moc. Failure is like this: http://pastebin.ca/1816860 Mar 01 10:19:07 you don't see the command-line from make? Mar 01 10:20:51 I don't see the particular command line in the Makefile (nor does make show it, afaict) Mar 01 10:21:28 `git clone git://gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework/libdui.git` Mar 01 10:25:29 jebba: Have you had any luck with touchscreen on fedora 12 arm on n900? Mar 01 10:38:21 thiago: jebba: funky Qt version? Mar 01 10:56:03 Sage: yes. See http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Fedora Mar 01 10:56:25 hhartz: qt-devel from f12. qt-devel-4.6.2-1.fc12.x86_64 Mar 01 10:57:03 jebba: scary shitz >:) Mar 01 10:57:17 ah, i bet i know what it is. It needs to use `moc-qt4` instead of moc. I had to change qmake to qmake-qt4 as well. Mar 01 10:59:11 jebba: "... but I don't have the touchscreen working. I can do touchscreen calibration though..." The actual question was any progress since this comment? :) Mar 01 11:01:41 ah, yes, i do have touchscreen working fully. Well, I did until my FS corrupted. Mar 01 11:01:47 (due to battery loss9 Mar 01 11:06:04 :( Mar 01 11:12:50 (slightly off-topic: anybody with a GMA 500 powered netbook with a recommendation for a Linux OS? Moblin won't work beyond a plain 800x600 GNOME desktop) Mar 01 11:13:49 won't all linux distributions have the same lack-of-driver issueas? Mar 01 11:13:51 any progress over the weekend with the Meego Community (eg website tools) Mar 01 11:13:55 qgil_: ubuntu 9.10? Mar 01 11:13:55 ? Mar 01 11:14:20 or if one distro has a working driver, why won't that driver work for moblin Mar 01 11:14:22 Intel GMA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to GMA 500 on Linux‎: GMA 500 support on Linux is not optimal. The driver is developed by Tungsten Graphics, not by Intel, and the graphic core is ... Mar 01 11:14:28 * timeless_mbp chuckles Mar 01 11:14:38 qgil: it's a bad sign when that's the first hit from google Mar 01 11:14:58 sell the hardware Mar 01 11:15:06 that is my best (serious) advice Mar 01 11:15:07 qgil ubuntu has a moblin remix. I dont know how current it is. Mar 01 11:15:10 qgil_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsPoulsbo/ Mar 01 11:15:14 mek: typically each distro has its own confusing driver support story Mar 01 11:15:21 Mek: I don't feel the pleasure of being one of the first ones trying, having to use something nobody has packaged for such distro before :) Mar 01 11:15:24 some will auto configure, some will refuse to make available Mar 01 11:15:36 http://www.darrenkitchen.net/run-ubuntu-9-10-on-the-nokia-booklet-3g-perfectly Mar 01 11:15:47 just a wild guess on the netbook model :) Mar 01 11:15:53 Sage: yes, but my first attempt installing Ubuntu via USB failed... I'll try again Mar 01 11:15:55 qgil_: if/when that binary blob gets reimplemented by an open source project, humans will have set foot on planet Mars Mar 01 11:16:05 I'll find out soon enough myself I guess, my gma-500 based netbook is to be delivered today... Mar 01 11:16:30 tekojo: saw that and yes it's for the Booklet, this is why I tried with Ubuntu first (anyway my current distro in my laptop) Mar 01 11:17:31 lucent: I'm not even asking for open source implementation, as long as my netbook works Mar 01 11:19:26 http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/08/10/intel-gma500-poulsbo-on-fedora-11-repository-with-working-3d-compiz-support/ Mar 01 11:19:41 seems like Fedora would work too Mar 01 11:21:16 I dig a bit about this GMA 500 until I found a name I hade heard somewhere before... Mar 01 11:21:25 ... PowerVR, I think it was..... Mar 01 11:21:26 ;) Mar 01 11:34:35 Attention bloggers: http://wiki.meego.com/News_and_Planet Mar 01 13:01:33 how did the rpm vs deb debate turn out? Mar 01 13:01:52 no please not that again Mar 01 13:02:03 RichiH: people spawned Debian Mobile, rest of us went back to work Mar 01 13:02:04 :P Mar 01 13:02:05 i am asking, not discussing :) Mar 01 13:02:19 isn't it 'resolved' rpm will be used? Mar 01 13:02:55 It was never up for debate, but that didn't stop anyone Mar 01 13:03:09 ergo there was nothing to resolve Mar 01 13:03:46 which still does not give me an answer to my initial question Mar 01 13:04:03 rpm won Mar 01 13:04:07 deb lost Mar 01 13:04:11 clear enough? Mar 01 13:04:23 actually rpm won before the debate even started Mar 01 13:04:34 see my comment Mar 01 13:05:26 yep, just like you said, but it seems RichiH has trouble undestanding =) Mar 01 13:05:42 :) Mar 01 13:06:23 RichiH: the argument is that there's a whole toolset (imager, builder, qa etc etc) already set up around rpm in the project and getting same degree of production quality and toolset will take many months to create around deb Mar 01 13:06:35 as most debian tools are well, based around debian.org :) Mar 01 13:08:02 * gouverneur waits for the suse logo showing up in his boot screen Mar 01 13:09:09 :S Mar 01 13:09:26 when I hear "buntu"I will jump the window Mar 01 13:12:11 it was looking so good... but then mee'buntu'... Mar 01 13:12:21 tybollt: sorry couldn't hold it Mar 01 13:15:58 sounds like some sort of Dublin slang, kiss me buntu Mar 01 13:16:49 * tybollt does the "Oh noes" and pops like a lemming Mar 01 13:19:31 'what will be next?' is a good question... Mar 01 13:20:13 MeeGo 1.0 hopefully ;) Mar 01 13:22:07 I haven't been looking much, but how far has development gone with "Me Ego"? Mar 01 13:22:41 we are only weeks away from a first unstable release Mar 01 13:23:42 since both Maemo and Moblihn exists, a lot of the initial time is put integrating bricks rather than pure "MeeGo development" Mar 01 13:24:00 Any screenshots of the GUI, or drawings? Mar 01 13:24:00 Intel and Nokia teams continue devel oping at component level Mar 01 13:25:21 Basstard`: thats far away from interesting... Mar 01 13:25:41 not public (I'm not sure about the netbook UX part) Mar 01 13:25:41 Basstard`: http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework Mar 01 13:26:00 qgilN900: won't it be based on that? Mar 01 13:26:11 but think that MeeGo will provide UX "references" that then vendors are free to use as such or modify Mar 01 13:26:24 oops need to go Mar 01 13:26:28 really :) Mar 01 13:29:34 There's conflicting info there to be honest Mar 01 13:30:14 The diagrams suggest it's all Qt with Clutter/GTK+ as legacy support, but the Netbook page clearly shows the currently Moblin UI rethemed for MeeGo Mar 01 13:30:52 slaine: It's a marketing made diagram... take it with a grain of salt ;) Mar 01 13:30:57 * gour thinks gtk+ won't be there for long Mar 01 13:31:33 Perhaps both will be used, and that's WTF the UX remixes are or somesuch. Like pick MeeGo, then pick the netbook (clutter) interface, or the small interface (ala QT/libdui) Mar 01 13:31:45 !QT Mar 01 13:31:45 oh, i bet gtk will be there *forever* Mar 01 13:32:06 Absolutely - if nothing else because there's way too many zealots out there who still believe the licensing FUD :) Mar 01 13:32:08 leinir: Oh I know, diagram aside, Qt is the only toolkit that's actively recommended on the site at present. Clutter/GTK+ is clearly being downplayed. Mar 01 13:32:18 (for better or worse, it'll mean that GTK is going to stay 'round :) ) Mar 01 13:32:26 slaine: hence the community support thing :) Mar 01 13:32:48 Stskeeps: thanks Mar 01 13:34:11 That leaves huge questions of course as to the basic infrastructure of the platform Mar 01 13:34:30 As currently the bulk of non Intel developed apps are standard Gnome/GTK+ applications Mar 01 13:34:35 Terminal, FileManager etc. Mar 01 13:35:15 I can't see how Community supported interface libraries could be used as the basis for fundamental infrastructure Mar 01 13:39:38 slaine: If you stay close to upstream it is probably ok. Mar 01 13:42:39 X-Fade: as a commercial distro aimed at OEMs and ODMs and ISV's etc. I can't see how that would suffice. ICBW though Mar 01 13:43:11 slaine: Well, for maemo gtk was patched a lot. Mar 01 13:43:22 slaine: But if you are really 'working with upstream' ;) Mar 01 13:45:30 X-Fade: yes, but, one distro, one distributor. Arguably, somewhat different. And Hildon/GTK as a deprecated toolkit hasn't shipped yet iinm. Mar 01 13:46:01 But as you say, if you stick to upstream, it shouldn't be an issue Mar 01 13:46:58 It all depends on if the upstream version has the features you want, I guess. Mar 01 13:47:33 nod, and the tools I'm talking about here, nautilus, gnome-terminal etc aren't bleeding edge gtk+ users Mar 01 13:47:41 and are well supported by the community Mar 01 13:48:35 But gnome has proven not to be very low resolution friendly, so there are issues in the mobile platform. Mar 01 13:49:01 Yeah, very true Mar 01 13:49:15 So technically it might work. Mar 01 13:49:27 If it is very user friendly, I don't know. Mar 01 13:49:38 Not having seen a Moblin for MID release, I'm afraid I'm not sure how they handled something like accessing media on an SD card that was inserted for example Mar 01 13:50:05 dbus is the answer to everything ;) Mar 01 13:50:11 And MID was as low a resolution they where aiming for with that UX. There where other vendor driven experiences for phones Mar 01 13:50:31 At least, that's my assumption from what I read on news etc. Mar 01 13:50:56 I often say things that makes it sound like I know what I'm talking about ;) Mar 01 16:30:11 Does Moblin 2.1 support the pinetrail platform or is this planned for MeeGo 1.0 ? Mar 01 16:36:30 Votan, it should support it Mar 01 16:36:46 i had moblin on my 410 netbook Mar 01 17:26:43 hi Mar 01 17:26:52 i almost got poulsbo working on moblin 2.1 Mar 01 17:26:54 ...almost Mar 01 17:35:02 I tried to get F12 to install onto a netbook with gma500 the other day, to see what moblin was like... the horror.. the horror Mar 01 17:35:18 every installer i managed to geet on a usb stick failed in myriad ways Mar 01 17:35:38 must've been a heavy bogon flux around here Mar 01 17:35:46 in fact i used virtualbox and IEGD 10.3 drivers Mar 01 17:35:52 and ive got half of the moblin ui Mar 01 17:35:59 that is, all the open gl effect Mar 01 17:36:03 but every panel is blank Mar 01 17:46:59 GMA 500 doesnt support opengl very well Mar 01 17:51:11 it does seem a bit sketchy (I have it working in Karmic) Mar 01 17:51:40 google earth and the clutter-powered unr netbook launcher cause some glitches Mar 01 17:51:48 but compiz seems to work fine Mar 01 17:52:20 i couldnt run compiz :/ Mar 01 17:52:25 under karmic Mar 01 17:52:28 dont know why Mar 01 17:54:41 I essentially just used http://gma500re.altervista.org/scripts/poulsbo_ppa.sh in a fresh install Mar 01 19:20:18 hi arjan, looks like the eeepc i have is a 701 :( Mar 01 20:03:42 * timeless_mbp looks for someone familiar w/ the moblin image creator Mar 01 20:09:27 GMT evening all. Mar 01 20:09:52 ack Mar 01 23:38:08 Anyone know of any disk/fs benchmarking software that can measure max/average/median latencies and such? Mar 01 23:46:45 hdparm -t (but it only benchmarks the disk, not the FS) Mar 01 23:47:53 yeah that's useless :) Mar 01 23:48:04 bonnie++ ? Mar 01 23:53:54 let me rephrase, latencies during mixed random read and write Mar 01 23:56:49 ShadowJK: tiobench sort of does that Mar 01 23:56:53 the latest versiont hat is Mar 02 00:07:09 hm Mar 02 00:07:47 my "rsync the squid spool" test on sd had ext4 come out faster than btrfs Mar 02 00:08:17 ShadowJK: how beefy is your cpu? Mar 02 00:08:28 (btrfs checksums data by default, which costs you cycles) Mar 02 00:18:51 arjan: 1.2GHz armv5 Mar 02 00:20:10 there were some brief periods where there was lowish (20-30percent) iowait and the rest in sys Mar 02 00:21:03 iirc cksum can be disabled? I should rerun with it off Mar 02 00:24:09 ShadowJK: mount with the "nodatasum" option Mar 02 00:25:09 whwn the cpu use was 60-80 sys, write speed was about 50kbyte/s Mar 02 00:25:41 and periods of 5000kByte/s too with low sys cpu use :-) Mar 02 00:28:40 iostat and co count IO at completion time Mar 02 00:28:43 not at submit time Mar 02 00:28:50 you spend the cpu just before submit ;) Mar 02 00:41:06 it might've been they delayed allocation :) Mar 02 00:45:01 i guess what I'd really want to do is replicate the patterns squid causes from caching a single user's intarweb behind a 1Mbit wimax connection, and measure disk/fs latencies Mar 02 00:47:22 and why squid, no particular reason, it just so happens to run on a flash device, and seemed like an easier point to start at quantifying "lag" than the real world UI response experience on a demand-paging linux kernel with os on mmc-type storage Mar 02 00:47:55 if you have really slow IO (slower than your CPU); you can also try compression Mar 02 00:48:10 * arjan kinda wonders about the sanity of an OS on cheap MMC storage ;0 Mar 02 00:48:24 arjan: yes Mar 02 00:48:59 compression doesn't matter much I think... I mean, a 256k write is about as expensive as a 4k write.. :P Mar 02 00:49:11 depends on the type of storage Mar 02 00:50:00 cheap flash seems to behave this way anyway Mar 02 00:50:58 and yeah, os on a mtd nand is much much saner, but realisticallyr I suspect the size of nands available (in volume) will be too cramped :) Mar 02 00:54:13 probably quite a few years yet before intel shrinks down their ssd to sd/emmc size I'm guessing :) Mar 02 00:56:36 * ShadowJK should try learn how to do fancy stuff with git Mar 02 00:57:36 maybe I could figure out how to extract logfs from the logfs git and merge with marvell's orion git tree's kernel **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 02 02:59:58 2010