**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 09 02:59:58 2010 Mar 09 07:26:12 * Stskeeps headdesks over the forum discussion Mar 09 07:34:08 Stskeeps, on which chan Mar 09 07:34:21 on meego-dev or -community, can't recall Mar 09 07:34:31 ah, -community Mar 09 08:08:48 wtf, how many #meego* chan I'd have to add to my ever growing crowded chan list? Mar 09 08:10:18 DocScrutinizer, its just a ploy to invest in a new computer with high enough resolution display to list them all Mar 09 08:11:34 At more than 10 the blue irrsi bars get annoying for me ;) Mar 09 08:12:22 X-Fade, heh Mar 09 08:12:34 i have chans in a list with micro font Mar 09 08:12:59 lcuk: Split windows in a terminal for me. Mar 09 08:13:13 * lcuk nods Mar 09 08:17:27 heh, i only knew about the one meego room, what are the others? :P Mar 09 08:27:39 I couldn't log on to meegotalk.com using the registered OpenID over at meego.com Mar 09 08:27:54 Suppose we have to wait for it to get ready... :) Mar 09 08:56:38 GAN900: Cheers, I'd done that but for some reason hadn't identified. Working now. Mar 09 09:04:19 hello Mar 09 09:32:15 ohai Mar 09 09:38:21 hi Mar 09 14:39:46 any new news about meego someone could tell me Mar 09 14:40:07 no, but i have a beer if you want one :) Mar 09 14:42:42 yeah go on need to get drunk lol Mar 09 14:43:37 we're all waiting for day one Mar 09 14:43:41 so, what do you hope to contribute with? Mar 09 14:43:45 i like beer Mar 09 14:44:49 Karlosos: source code is supposed to be released until the end of this month in case you didn't know yet. Mar 09 14:44:52 there was some official blogpost Mar 09 14:45:08 i need to first figure out how to make apps cause would be fun Mar 09 14:45:13 Karlosos: learn Qt then Mar 09 14:45:18 and heya Stskeeps :P Mar 09 14:46:09 been advised to wait a couple of months till bugs are sorted Mar 09 14:46:18 Karlosos: qt creator is good to start with :) Mar 09 14:46:55 can you use that program on pc cause would be easier Mar 09 14:47:04 yes Mar 09 14:47:11 google for qt creator :) Mar 09 14:47:35 will do cheers Mar 09 14:48:09 how about a touch screen lightening bolt would that be possible Mar 09 14:48:56 as in lightening coming out of your touchscreen? Mar 09 14:48:58 (sp) Mar 09 14:49:13 well, you start with a balloon and start rubbing it against your hair Mar 09 14:49:19 lol Mar 09 14:49:36 :P Stskeeps Mar 09 14:50:16 then you turn off the lights and make sure your lcd backlight is not on Mar 09 14:50:27 well was thinking wherever you touched a bolt came from there with thuder sounds Mar 09 14:50:50 then slowly approach your finger towards your n900, ideally the metal parts, and you should be able to see lightning coming from it. it's that powerful device. Mar 09 14:50:53 :P Mar 09 14:51:08 true ha ha Mar 09 14:51:25 :D Mar 09 14:51:54 this phone is great others are too thin and would be scared to break it Mar 09 14:52:34 plus there is still way too much to learn Mar 09 14:52:55 does anyone know why i cant chat in #maemo Mar 09 14:53:09 you need to register your nickname Mar 09 14:54:05 where do i do that Mar 09 14:54:25 /nickserv help Mar 09 14:54:58 is that under server Mar 09 14:55:05 or in browser Mar 09 14:55:45 someone should mentor for developing qt apps for meego .. perhaps under google soc Mar 09 14:55:55 or maybe not Mar 09 14:56:10 problem is that meego isn't a good gsoc target.. Mar 09 14:56:21 qt apps for maemo might work though Mar 09 14:56:52 why isnt meego a good gsoc project? Mar 09 14:57:02 well, it is hardly established yet Mar 09 14:57:05 maemo is probably a better one Mar 09 15:23:53 in the end, porting qt aps from maemo to meego should be on the fly anyway Mar 09 16:09:13 hi Mar 09 17:54:35 Oh christ, stupid mailing list threads. Mar 09 17:55:09 Which one this time? :) Mar 09 17:55:59 The wild wild west one. Mar 09 17:56:18 Ah :) Mar 09 17:58:10 I don't get why people insist on top-posting when they know better, however. Mar 09 17:59:45 Quoting isn't hard, don't be an ass by insisting on doing it incorrectly. Mar 09 18:14:40 * cyberkonsult wonders how this MeeGo thingie is funded/adminitstraded.. Mar 09 18:15:17 * cyberkonsult corrects himself s/adminitstraded/administraded Mar 09 18:16:38 cyberkonsult: i guess by intel + nokia + (maybe?) the linux foundation Mar 09 18:18:37 th0br0: Yeah... I was wondering about the servers/forum software at meego, are the admins payed by some fondation or are they doing it on their spare time for free? Mar 09 18:19:34 afaik, the current admins are Intel employees Mar 09 18:22:58 k, I was thinking about the thread at meego-community ML regarding the forum software (vB is not open source), got the impression that the forums war run by ppl on their free time.. Mar 09 18:23:36 s/forums war/forums was/ Mar 09 18:23:36 cyberkonsult meant: k, I was thinking about the thread at meego-community ML regarding the forum software (vB is not open source), got the impression that the forums was run by ppl on their free time.. Mar 09 18:25:51 well, IMHO vB is kinda the best forum software out there right now... Mar 09 18:26:26 cyberkonsult, maemo.org forums are run by a person that is sponsored by nokia, but the forum already existed before Nokia sponsor it Mar 09 18:26:34 that one is vB Mar 09 18:27:50 Ahh... So it's not someone who is employed by Nokia then.. kind of seems strange to me?? Mar 09 18:28:23 not employed, sponsored Mar 09 18:28:26 :) Mar 09 18:28:53 oh, as what you said :D Mar 09 18:28:57 *was Mar 09 18:30:10 Well, I for one would like MeeGo to be a success, and I would like to see Nokia and Intel to show commitment and start writing some checks..... Mar 09 18:30:45 cyberkonsult, maemo.org has a team of persons sponsored by Nokia to work for the community, the community is responsible to give them tasks and hire them Mar 09 18:30:56 dunno if will be similar team in meego Mar 09 18:31:21 more info here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team Mar 09 18:31:45 VDVsx: great!! Thanks! Mar 09 19:04:15 Gotta love people who don't want to contribute to the original discussion but then put their 2 cents after the decision has been made. Mar 09 19:04:41 like rpm vs deb? Mar 09 19:04:41 :P Mar 09 19:05:53 wb DawnFoster Mar 09 19:06:00 Stskeeps, except they choose not to attend an announced public meeting on this topic Mar 09 19:06:21 stop motion, baby, it's all the rage! Mar 09 19:06:37 Hi Stskeeps Mar 09 19:07:36 GAN900: Stop energy? Mar 09 20:21:32 Whats up with talk.maemo.org .. down?? Mar 09 20:22:37 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org @ cyberkonsult Mar 09 20:41:21 scr4ve: Thanks... weird... my icmp:s behaving weird, cant traceroute.. maybe my ISP is doing funky stuff. Mar 09 20:42:23 yw... btw are there any anouncements out for java on meego? Mar 09 20:56:16 hello Mar 09 20:56:21 anybody here Mar 09 21:54:31 is there any image i could test on my netbook? Mar 09 21:54:57 juts downloading moblin to take a peek how it works, and running maemo on my n900 ofc Mar 09 21:58:03 It is official; Netcraft confirms: MeeGo is dying Mar 09 21:58:31 no wiretapped, meego has just started Mar 09 21:58:40 oh, my bad Mar 09 21:58:44 its a small ember at the base of a fire Mar 09 21:59:08 and lots of skilled firestarters are gently coaxing it to life Mar 09 22:00:23 so you're saying it is going to die... in a fire? Mar 09 22:00:41 no, it is the fire Mar 09 22:00:45 it will warm everyone Mar 09 22:00:59 by burning Mar 09 22:01:01 and dying Mar 09 22:01:23 or is it like Peter in Heroes, he's gonna explode and take half of New York with him? Mar 09 22:01:32 haha Mar 09 22:01:49 and theen Maemo will try to go back in time to prevent Moblin from Absorbing the nuclear mans abilitiies Mar 09 22:01:54 thus preventing the cataclysm Mar 09 22:02:13 ok too much sci-fi for me Mar 09 22:02:17 * red hides Mar 09 22:02:28 make sure hero does not mean his former self Mar 09 22:02:47 or it is hiro Mar 09 22:02:53 * lcuk can never remember Mar 09 22:03:47 I tried to log in (meegotalk.com) using my OpenId from the meego site, (and was presented with the login popup), but now I can't connect (gets dropped?) Mar 09 22:04:34 is meegotalk.com an official site? Mar 09 22:04:51 do you give your credentials to every site that asks and looks the same? Mar 09 22:05:05 http://wiki.meego.com/Forum_/_Talk Mar 09 22:05:30 lcuk: ha! good point Mar 09 22:06:18 cyberkonsult, i wish that was a laughing matter :p Mar 09 22:06:36 Security can be :) Mar 09 22:07:43 Seriously, I could reach both talk.maemo.org and meegotalk.com before.. now its dev/null ........... Mar 09 22:09:29 cyberkonsult: to which ip does your dns resolve? Mar 09 22:09:34 maybe its apple-sponsored. Mar 09 22:09:44 * scr4ve hides Mar 09 22:09:56 74.86.202.247 Mar 09 22:10:09 scr4ve, nahhhh that ip has sharp edges, it cant be apple Mar 09 22:10:36 muahahahah Mar 09 22:11:20 ok, dns isn't apple sponsored. what does tracert say? Mar 09 22:12:16 no icmp packets from my end... possible my ISP is messing around... OR one of my firewalls is fup Mar 09 22:12:50 or you left the n00b coockie enabled Mar 09 22:12:59 -c Mar 09 22:14:52 lol.. well.. long story short.. I have a openwrt box in a fw-chain here.. and for some reason the "-m --limit" doesn't work... can't remember why ... I belive it was one of the first whitrussian img... Mar 09 22:15:39 cyberkonsult, but you could connect before :p Mar 09 22:15:40 don't remember.. and I cant reconfig the firewall remot (serial to the little bugger...). Mar 09 22:15:42 reboot Mar 09 22:15:49 hey DawnFoster Mar 09 22:16:05 yeah! so something changed at the other end methinks Mar 09 22:16:34 I tried from another machine.. same thing... :( Mar 09 22:16:52 hey lcuk Mar 09 22:18:09 I suspect that there is some security thingie over at talk.maemo.org that maybe goes like: if _max_log_attempts do iptables_drop_the_crook Mar 09 22:18:28 this is only a guess... Mar 09 22:18:35 lol Mar 09 22:19:46 anyway, gotta get some sleep 23:19 here in sweden... zzzzz Mar 09 22:20:19 DawnFoster, which barcamps do you get involved in? Mar 09 22:20:26 /did Mar 09 22:21:44 moo lcuk Mar 09 22:22:47 hey RST38h Mar 09 22:23:39 lcuk, This is my 4th year on the organizing team for BarCampPortland. Mar 09 22:24:08 lcuk, I also attend other BarCamps when I can (Austin, Corvallis, etc.) Mar 09 22:24:14 DawnFoster, the reason why i ask, last year i went to a couple and really like the whole experience, i would hope at the next summit to allocate some rooms and a grid Mar 09 22:24:35 (barcamplondon and manchester) Mar 09 22:26:15 lcuk good idea. I like having unconference sessions at events. I love the format & it gives people flexibility to add additional sessions to continue conversations or talk about hot topics. Mar 09 22:26:26 exactly Mar 09 22:27:43 * lcuk would like to make a digital grid Mar 09 22:28:45 lcuk I've used both & I tend to prefer using the low tech method of post it notes on the wall Mar 09 22:29:11 lcuk, it acts as a gathering place and gets people talking to each other in the offline world Mar 09 22:29:41 yeah DawnFoster its such a hub, and watching people fight for that one slot after a controversial session is fun ;) Mar 09 22:30:47 lcuk, I have sharp elbows, so I do pretty well in the mad rush for the grid :) Mar 09 22:32:11 this is why i like the idea of a digital grid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVPddxHW84 Mar 09 22:34:49 lcuk, that's pretty cool Mar 09 22:36:40 * lcuk vanishes for the night Mar 09 22:36:48 gnite DawnFoster RST38h \o Mar 09 22:39:51 gnite, lcuk Mar 09 22:39:56 gnite **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 09 23:10:55 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 10 21:48:19 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 11 09:00:15 2010 Mar 11 09:09:22 hmm, the faqs says the package management is based on rpm format, so do u need any package maintainer Mar 11 09:10:39 huh? Mar 11 09:11:04 amjad: i'm sure there'll be opportunity for package maintainers :) Mar 11 09:11:52 good i was expecting on download page atleast rpm format for downloading qt-creater if not deb Mar 11 09:15:42 the Qt Creator download is for all distros, not just those RPM-based Mar 11 09:15:48 it's not an LSB package either Mar 11 09:17:48 ok Mar 11 09:34:53 surely most distributions have qt-creator already available? Mar 11 09:35:09 not the latest Mar 11 09:35:37 for example, if today we release Qt Creator 2.0 alpha 1, how soon until most distributions get it? Mar 11 09:36:07 gentoo and arch - about 5 minutes ;) Mar 11 09:36:10 but yeah Mar 11 09:37:05 I doubt the Gentoo maintainers are pressing F5 on the Qt website every day, 24 hours a day Mar 11 09:37:48 no, they just track git head. they're a bit crazy at times Mar 11 09:38:09 that's not exactly the release... Mar 11 09:38:28 they can build the tag as soon as the tag becomes available though Mar 11 09:38:30 mm Mar 11 09:38:41 but that requires switching to the tag in the first place Mar 11 09:38:43 ho de hum, karmic has 1.2.1-3ubuntu1 Mar 11 09:39:10 that's even old. The latest is 1.3.1. Mar 11 09:39:27 the current master has Maemo build support. Mar 11 09:39:44 built-in crosscompile? that's quite snazzy Mar 11 09:40:17 well, provided you install the Maemo tools Mar 11 09:40:26 MADDE Mar 11 09:41:30 * lupine_85 has gotton away with just scratchbox + dpkg-buildpackage on maemo so far Mar 11 09:41:41 what distribution are you using? Mar 11 09:41:59 at home, lucid Mar 11 09:42:08 what's "lucid" ? Mar 11 09:42:19 ubuntu 10.04 Mar 11 09:42:26 32-bit? Mar 11 09:42:33 nah, 64-bit Mar 11 09:42:45 well, the fact that you're using Ubuntu is one reason why it has worked for you Mar 11 09:42:59 we haven't managed to get scratchbox working on Fedora, OpenSUSE and Mandriva Mar 11 09:43:37 since most of our developers are using non-Ubuntu, requiring Ubuntu or Debian wasn't an option for us Mar 11 09:43:41 among other reasons Mar 11 09:43:56 cross-compilation environments do seem to be a bit of a Dark Art(tm) Mar 11 09:44:28 that may be Mar 11 09:44:31 I've got a toolchain for my adsl router that won't work anywhere but in a sarge 32-bit VM Mar 11 09:44:41 but at least that's something we understood, whereas scratchbox was dark art for us Mar 11 09:45:48 * lupine_85 absently wonders who 'we' and 'us' are in this context Mar 11 09:45:56 Nokia, Qt Mar 11 09:46:15 ah, that makes sense Mar 11 09:46:17 thiago, scratchbox works for me in Fedora. You need to understand what are you doing when installing but other than that, it works. Some modifications to SE policies are required for some badly written proprietary code in opengl drivers in Fremantle 386 target though Mar 11 09:47:21 not saying it's impossible Mar 11 09:47:23 * lupine_85 was tempted to up sticks to helsinki and apply for a job with nokia/qt (not necessarily in that order ;) ) back when you guys were recruiting Mar 11 09:47:25 it is Linux software, after all Mar 11 09:47:38 but it wasn't easy for us Mar 11 09:47:43 lupine_85: we're recruiting Mar 11 09:47:47 and Qt is not in Helsinki Mar 11 09:48:06 Oslo, Berlin or Brisbane Mar 11 09:48:33 if you're still recruiting in a couple of years ;), it's definitely a possibility for me Mar 11 09:48:46 kittens need to grow up and partner needs to be convinced first :D Mar 11 09:54:43 <_macros> here an interesting link related to a little discussion we had yesterday about how will be the meego sdk Mar 11 09:54:44 <_macros> http://zchydem.enume.net/2010/03/10/madde-and-qt-creator-integration/ Mar 11 09:55:04 <_macros> this for sure is a good way Mar 11 09:58:24 erm Mar 11 09:58:30 this mad-developer thing Mar 11 09:58:37 don't tell me it's doing the compiling /on/ the N900? Mar 11 09:59:19 of course not Mar 11 09:59:19 :P Mar 11 09:59:28 good :) Mar 11 10:00:13 because that would be silly ;) Mar 11 10:01:04 almost as silly as bootstrapping gentoo on N810 Mar 11 10:01:54 I think ShadowJK is looking for trouble from the n810 gentoo guys Mar 11 10:01:56 :P Mar 11 10:02:40 :) Mar 11 10:03:02 mmmm, chroot Mar 11 13:16:11 can anyone access everydns.net? Mar 11 13:16:43 CosmoHill: doesn't seem to be responding Mar 11 13:16:50 thanks Mar 11 13:17:00 right, lunch Mar 11 13:17:10 same Mar 11 13:19:32 whats for lunch :) Mar 11 13:20:32 lets see what's in the fridge Mar 11 13:26:29 * CosmoHill noms a cheese sandwich Mar 11 13:26:44 mmmmmmmmmmmm Mar 11 13:26:58 no meat or salad in the fridge :( Mar 11 13:27:29 :( Mar 11 13:27:52 might have a yogurt later Mar 11 13:27:57 or beans on toast Mar 11 13:28:08 I just tossed most of the contents of our fridge to bin Mar 11 13:28:20 not that there's too much left anyway Mar 11 13:28:34 I've been sick for a few days and am ravenous Mar 11 13:28:46 might have to head to the chipper for a big stodgey lunch Mar 11 13:28:59 you have my full sympathies, I think I had the noro couple weeks back Mar 11 13:29:40 most of the time if i get ill it's a cold, i get very bad colds but they only last for about 8 hours Mar 11 13:30:16 so instead of feeling bad for a few days i feel very bad for most of a day Mar 11 13:30:17 I'd a temp for about 1.5 days Mar 11 13:30:27 weird dreams Mar 11 13:35:16 * CosmoHill sighs Mar 11 13:35:21 my DNS server is down Mar 11 13:36:05 Make you a bit down as well? ;) Mar 11 13:36:19 a tad Mar 11 13:37:08 i need it to work for tomorrow otherwise we can't access the ftp or the website for group design Mar 11 13:38:57 everydns got bought my dyndns Mar 11 13:40:15 Ah, dyndns, haven't used that in ages... Mar 11 13:40:36 But it's down and runs you dns? Mar 11 13:40:37 my other domains are static Mar 11 13:41:02 i need to update my ip but their website is down Mar 11 13:55:10 ii hate filing taxes :( Mar 11 14:00:49 yay Mar 11 14:00:51 everydns is back Mar 11 14:01:21 dammit Mar 11 14:11:51 * slaine noms taco chips Mar 11 14:13:40 * CosmoHill gets to work Mar 11 14:41:20 4/topic Mar 11 14:41:22 erf Mar 11 14:42:35 well my server is having a fun time at 100% load Mar 11 15:17:56 whois Mar 11 15:18:13 #qt-creator Mar 11 15:39:22 * CosmoHill is rewriting his friends location php code Mar 11 15:41:19 CosmoHill: very nice of you Mar 11 15:41:38 I've seen the way he's done it and I think it can be improved Mar 11 15:41:52 there's a small klash between our coding styles Mar 11 15:42:07 How condescending of you ;) Mar 11 15:42:26 hehe Mar 11 15:49:48 any debian users here ? Mar 11 15:49:55 lol, of course there is Mar 11 15:50:42 On Fedora, Moblin, I'm used to doing yum groupinstall "Development Tools" to get compilers and autotools etc. installed Mar 11 15:50:53 is there an equiv for Debian/Ubuntu ? Mar 11 15:56:11 slaine: i think it's build-essentials or something like that Mar 11 15:56:19 apt-get install build-essential Mar 11 15:56:26 or essentials Mar 11 15:56:32 something like that.. Mar 11 15:56:48 i only know that because I just read it yesterday Mar 11 15:56:48 yeah, it's essential Mar 11 15:57:11 couple of things needed, so I made a script that I'll sudo run Mar 11 15:57:45 * CosmoHill grrs Mar 11 15:57:58 * slaine runs and hides Mar 11 15:58:05 his if statments are all nested and hard to work out what is going on Mar 11 16:07:07 hi Mar 11 16:07:23 hello Mar 11 16:07:25 is Mar 11 16:07:41 any one there Mar 11 16:08:12 HELLO hello hello hello gess no wons there Mar 11 16:08:24 beach Mar 11 16:08:43 hello Mar 11 16:08:47 is anyone there Mar 11 16:08:54 yes Mar 11 16:08:58 hello ? Mar 11 16:09:05 I could have sworn I heard something Mar 11 16:09:13 how are you Mar 11 16:09:25 super Mar 11 16:09:28 how are you Mar 11 16:09:33 fin Mar 11 16:09:49 are you a boy or girle Mar 11 16:09:59 lol Mar 11 16:10:15 I'm haven't been one of those for a very long time Mar 11 16:10:15 ha :) Mar 11 16:10:35 so wot do you do for fun Mar 11 16:10:51 talk to strangers on the internet Mar 11 16:11:06 Ah, how original! Mar 11 16:11:18 like in IRC or like my friend does where they go A/S/L and when you say male they go offline? Mar 11 16:11:36 lol Mar 11 16:11:43 is slaine your real name Mar 11 16:11:48 erm, I was kidding of course Mar 11 16:11:53 lol Mar 11 16:11:54 lan, you're freaking me out now Mar 11 16:12:03 sorry Mar 11 16:12:09 slaine,VDVsx: So, folks, do you think this guy will pass Turing test? Mar 11 16:12:19 eheheheh Mar 11 16:12:20 no Mar 11 16:12:21 we'll find out Mar 11 16:12:26 lan, Are you a human Mar 11 16:12:27 thought so Mar 11 16:12:33 yes Mar 11 16:12:40 Or are you a voice recording Mar 11 16:12:44 lan: Where are you from? Mar 11 16:12:54 RST38h: ROFL (for 3 min...) Mar 11 16:12:54 st.lucia Mar 11 16:13:03 lan: Do you like cats? Mar 11 16:13:18 yes i have one Mar 11 16:13:25 Is it a lolcat Mar 11 16:13:25 lan: Do you like rabbits? Mar 11 16:13:32 yes Mar 11 16:13:41 lan: What else do you like? Mar 11 16:13:46 RST38h: I've never heard of a lolrabbit Mar 11 16:13:58 RST38h: OMG stop!! Your are killing me (tears running down...) Mar 11 16:14:03 ha ha Mar 11 16:14:31 so do you like cat Mar 11 16:14:31 Aha, asking it questions that require extra information in the response causes it to evade Mar 11 16:15:15 lan: Large green hedgehogs are traveling toward the hills? Mar 11 16:15:17 were are you from Mar 11 16:15:49 failed the T test! Mar 11 16:16:00 Yep. Looks like it is a bot, indeed Mar 11 16:16:03 having fun here, boys? :) Mar 11 16:16:03 ~chase lan Mar 11 16:16:04 * infobot chases lan Mar 11 16:16:15 thresh: a/s/l? Mar 11 16:16:23 infobot, bad bot! Mar 11 16:16:24 Bad bot!, bad! No cookie for you! Mar 11 16:16:31 hcl2: YES! Mar 11 16:16:34 thresh: Proving my point that quite a few Internet users will in fact fail the Turing test Mar 11 16:16:35 * Myrtti spanks hcl2 Mar 11 16:16:37 hcl2: all of the above! Mar 11 16:16:55 you did not anser my question :D Mar 11 16:16:58 lan: ~leave Mar 11 16:17:01 RST38h: yep. "Детям нельзя в интернет. От них он тупеет." Mar 11 16:17:04 lan: !leave Mar 11 16:17:51 lan: !party Mar 11 16:17:54 Does anyone have a wizard hat and cape? Mar 11 16:18:12 Maulkin: Would you like a doomsday weapon with that? Mar 11 16:18:24 ... the quality of this channel is really in rapid decline Mar 11 16:18:47 is there any public reason why the code repo is hidden until the end of the month? Mar 11 16:18:55 no Mar 11 16:19:00 hcl: secrecy. Mar 11 16:19:08 hcl2: magic and ponies Mar 11 16:19:10 there's a reason and it's a good one Mar 11 16:19:18 but it's a secret reason? Mar 11 16:19:23 yes Mar 11 16:19:39 people don't want to look like noobs with their empty commit logs? Mar 11 16:19:42 hcl2: my guess is that they haven't figure out what to put in it yet Mar 11 16:20:28 yes, a year is not enough time to decide what to put in a code repo Mar 11 16:22:01 hcl2: A year ? Mar 11 16:22:07 now you see hcl2 Mar 11 16:22:35 you are one son of a beach Mar 11 16:22:39 slaine: 8-9 months, a year, what's the diff Mar 11 16:22:53 hcl2: I wish I could make up numbers just like that Mar 11 16:23:21 lan, can you borrow me $5000 ? :D Mar 11 16:23:35 y Mar 11 16:23:51 awesome, lol Mar 11 16:24:06 does someone has Ops around here ? Mar 11 16:24:28 do you have a psp Mar 11 16:24:29 I can fetch them if needed. Is everyone bored of the kid yet? Mar 11 16:24:45 yes, it is an annoying bot Mar 11 16:25:08 lan: ohai Mar 11 16:25:11 if he had a N900, but a PSP, babb Mar 11 16:25:15 aww, it doesn't like me Mar 11 16:25:45 who are you Mar 11 16:25:49 Myrtti: Probably thinks you are a man Mar 11 16:26:01 lan: how old are you? Mar 11 16:26:08 20 Mar 11 16:26:14 RST38h: or a dog Mar 11 16:26:29 how old are you Mar 11 16:26:35 Oh come now lan, that's a horrible lie, isn't it? Mar 11 16:26:44 no Mar 11 16:26:47 * RST38h can see Turing turning in his coffin Mar 11 16:26:53 maby Mar 11 16:27:00 kind of Mar 11 16:27:15 See, now it's aways good to tell the truth. We won't get angry unelss you tell fibs to us. Mar 11 16:28:00 wot makes you fink that i will lie to you Mar 11 16:29:23 becouse am older yunger Mar 11 16:29:47 oh my... :P Mar 11 16:30:26 very fanny :D ha ha ha Mar 11 16:33:28 moo wazd Mar 11 16:34:40 wazd1, btw, where's your UI video ? didn't see it :D Mar 11 16:35:06 do you know babybeckham song on youtube his in my school go woth it Mar 11 16:35:16 VDVsx: ohwell, it's still baking up :) Mar 11 16:35:37 ~lart lan Mar 11 16:35:37 * infobot cats /dev/urandom into lan's ear Mar 11 16:35:39 VDVsx: have extreme ammount of work to do right now, so no time for games yet :) Mar 11 16:36:08 wazd1, UI work ? :D Mar 11 16:36:08 VDVsx: but it will kick some ^3 ass for sure :D Mar 11 16:36:18 VDVsx: unfortunately no :( Mar 11 16:36:22 :( Mar 11 16:36:29 VDVsx: that's why it's so exhausting for me :) Mar 11 16:36:44 there's a new video video of ^3 around Mar 11 16:36:45 deb Mar 11 16:39:21 do you know about naruto the grates video in the wold if you seach for it any were you mus get a video about it tack be kefull you can get adic ted to it Mar 11 16:40:41 lan: you seem to be kind of random Mar 11 16:40:59 ha :) Mar 11 16:41:25 sorry :| Mar 11 16:41:42 lan: !ping Mar 11 16:42:44 Must be using a different prefix... Mar 11 16:42:46 did you hear about the eathquake in haiti Mar 11 16:42:55 lan: @ping Mar 11 16:44:00 lan: seriously though, please try to keep your chatting related to meego Mar 11 16:44:29 oh sorry :'( Mar 11 16:45:34 hay wat a second and who are you to tell me wot to do Mar 11 16:45:38 * CosmoHill is pleased with himself Mar 11 16:47:23 no its not tru thats inpossibla Mar 11 16:48:15 * RST38h sighs Mar 11 16:48:28 RichiH: Welcome :P Mar 11 16:48:56 lan: You really should be polite to people. Mar 11 16:49:02 Just ban the bot already Mar 11 16:50:48 sorry that was not me it was my pevet of a friend Mar 11 16:52:55 And both of you are incapable of typing capitals at the start of a sentence? Mar 11 16:54:02 ha ha ha very funny :p Mar 11 16:54:16 * burchr headdesks Mar 11 16:55:52 AVee: the AI code probably does not use capitals, it is easier to write this way Mar 11 16:56:19 thanks Mar 11 16:56:49 AVee: When left alone, it will send messages about random current events to the channel, formatted in teenage speak, expecting a response Mar 11 16:57:35 yes i have heard that too Mar 11 16:57:36 It will then engage victims who answer it into a standard a/s/l-type conversations Mar 11 16:58:52 RST38h, can we teach him ? :p Mar 11 16:59:00 yes my friend was toking to a pc Mar 11 16:59:01 The classic method to detect that it is a bot is to ask it questions that do not contain information that can be used as an answer. The bot will be unable to "answer", trying to randomly change the discussion topic Mar 11 16:59:21 VDVsx: Banning will probably be more beneficial Mar 11 16:59:33 of course ;) Mar 11 16:59:42 VDVsx: I doubt it is a complex automation, most likely has this stuff hardwired Mar 11 16:59:44 waite Mar 11 17:00:40 you have to tell it if its a m/f Mar 11 17:01:01 VDVsx: See? =) Mar 11 17:01:31 RST38h, yeah it's a bit stupid ;) Mar 11 17:02:03 Yeah, and this one is not amongst the most clever ones i've seen. Although I liked the 'that was my friend' excuse. Mar 11 17:02:33 A simulated split personality disorder is kinda nice touch, yes Mar 11 17:03:01 yes Mar 11 17:04:44 just ignore the troll Mar 11 17:05:13 Myrtti: See the point about randomly throwing in topics related to current events. Mar 11 17:07:36 Myrtti:are you a m/f of or pc Mar 11 17:08:42 if you are a pc i have 2 very inportant wods for you fuck off Mar 11 17:09:37 * CosmoHill is done with php for now Mar 11 17:10:37 .> Mar 11 17:11:20 lan: a) my gender is none of your business b) you've not talked anything about meego while you've been to this channel c) for gods sakes, learn to spell d) oh puhleeze. Mar 11 17:11:56 And e) for EXTERMINATE! ? =) Mar 11 17:12:07 ! Mar 11 17:12:31 can someone kick the bot ? :D Mar 11 17:12:46 i assume meego kernel will be based on 2.6.30 Mar 11 17:12:49 VDVsx: hear hear Mar 11 17:13:07 meego kernel will be later Mar 11 17:13:15 33 or more Mar 11 17:14:00 now wot did my firend did Mar 11 17:14:34 VDVsx: +1 Mar 11 17:14:52 sorry i will state kippen the laptop a way from him Mar 11 17:14:54 (on a side note, this is the only channel where you can say something and other people will go +1 or -1) Mar 11 17:14:56 friend excuse again, lol Mar 11 17:15:03 :D Mar 11 17:15:18 :) Mar 11 17:16:09 VDVsx: Whole thing reminds on Peter Watts' Blindsight Mar 11 17:16:17 s/on/of Mar 11 17:16:20 o and sorry for all the fings my friend been sead Mar 11 17:16:48 is nokia planning a contest like android developer contest (by google) Mar 11 17:17:29 Myrtti i am very sorry for my friend Mar 11 17:18:45 amjad: there's one going at the moment, i believe... though it's less Maemo and more "Change the world" sort of stuff :) Mar 11 17:19:01 lan: windows key + L Mar 11 17:19:18 Forum Nokia's Calling All Innovators competition - http://www.callingallinnovators.com/ Mar 11 17:20:48 CosmoHill:alt+f4 Mar 11 17:21:02 but you want to lock the computer, not quit the program Mar 11 17:21:07 ahh , it is localized for countries Mar 11 17:21:37 leinir, amjad , "Best application for the Nokia N900: $50,000 (USD) in cash." Mar 11 17:21:41 not bad :) Mar 11 17:21:55 VDVsx: Indeed, 'tis a pretty hard core competition :) Mar 11 17:21:57 problem is: is it supposed to be for maemo or for meego, in gtk or in qt? Mar 11 17:22:04 do you know any for sonyericsson Mar 11 17:22:05 same for the best Qt based app Mar 11 17:22:27 th0br0, Maemo it seems Mar 11 17:22:52 VDVsx: are there submissions already? Mar 11 17:23:07 err, that I don't know Mar 11 17:23:41 RST38h, 18 may Mar 11 17:23:57 *until Mar 11 17:25:14 CosmoHill: you see that big botten on your window 99 live your finger on it and live this to the new windos 7 Mar 11 17:25:37 huh? Mar 11 17:26:33 CosmoHill: you live in the past Mar 11 17:26:45 eek Mar 11 17:27:19 I'm confused, what? Mar 11 17:27:59 I had windows 7 before it was on sail, so i would be in the future? Mar 11 17:29:05 CosmoHill: widows 7 gest got out of stile now is windos 8 Mar 11 17:29:06 CosmoHill, lan is a bot programmed by M$, running windows 8, so he wins :D Mar 11 17:29:17 lol Mar 11 17:29:46 It's an evil MS plan to destroy OSS by getting everybody distracted. Mar 11 17:30:18 wot makes you fink that Mar 11 17:30:38 you :P Mar 11 17:31:31 ok lets stop fulling around people i am a real person with my laptop in a caffa Mar 11 17:31:43 Cafц╘ Mar 11 17:32:19 AVee o and i for got :p Mar 11 17:33:13 Anyone know about Sandybridge.. Will meego target those devices? Mar 11 17:34:10 thats the first time i heard about that Mar 11 17:34:12 isn't that Intel stuff ? Mar 11 17:34:15 * VDVsx googles Mar 11 17:34:33 VDVsx: and...? Mar 11 17:34:44 isn't that an i3 with a built in gpu? Mar 11 17:34:47 VDVsx: you know intel IS the other prong of the meego fork :D Mar 11 17:35:18 There seem to be support for Sandybridge in 2.6.34 Mar 11 17:35:29 cyberkonsult: depends on what version of kernel/xorg driver they ship with meego Mar 11 17:35:47 tybollt, lol, I was just asking, don't read between my words Mar 11 17:35:55 ;) Mar 11 17:36:18 So the code release shold be before the 2.6.34 release?? Mar 11 17:36:46 s/shold/should/ Mar 11 17:36:46 cyberkonsult meant: So the code release should be before the 2.6.34 release?? Mar 11 17:36:58 Darned bot.. Mar 11 17:37:15 you mean the _initial_ code release? Kernels are a highly moving target :) Mar 11 17:38:14 Right... just trying to get some conversation in here not related to the darned bor Mar 11 17:38:15 bot Mar 11 17:38:23 ;) Mar 11 17:38:49 cyberkonsult: well, afaik it's supposed to be this month ^^ Mar 11 17:39:34 So, by the end of this month we will have 2.6.33 as the kernel ?? Mar 11 17:45:29 well cyberkonsult the current stable linux kernel version is 2.6.33 Mar 11 17:45:47 i downladed a file named bot ditecter and it told me that there was more than five bot wothing wot we was saing Mar 11 17:46:22 lan: hello Mar 11 17:46:23 * lupine_85 wonders if "amjad" is a relatively common name Mar 11 17:46:24 and the main is 2.6.34 release candidate 1 Mar 11 17:46:35 lol lupine_85:) Mar 11 17:46:36 I was reading of all the glorious things in 2.6.34 and was hoping for meego code release with that! Mar 11 17:46:41 hello :) Mar 11 17:47:17 I've dealt with another amjad/amgad in the course of business, is all :) Mar 11 17:47:28 hmm, that is interesting Mar 11 17:47:39 (I'm guessing you're not the same one, since your english isn't worse than lan's) Mar 11 17:47:43 some people fink i am a bot Mar 11 17:47:59 nah, computers can spell Mar 11 17:48:06 did that amjad/amgad worked on powerpc/CELL B.E?? Mar 11 17:48:08 * cyberkonsult thinks lan is a bored troll Mar 11 17:48:17 i am not a computer Mar 11 17:48:22 no, more legally grey areas Mar 11 17:48:53 ok Mar 11 17:49:03 luping_85: He worked for Microsoft? Mar 11 17:49:05 got several takedown requests but we couldn't find any solid legal basis to shut him down :/ Mar 11 17:49:44 lupine_85: who? Mar 11 17:49:48 helloty bollt Mar 11 17:50:31 cable tv theft Mar 11 17:50:54 heh Mar 11 17:51:26 w/ HD and pairing there is no more cable TV theft Mar 11 17:51:29 the little decoder boxes are really complex these days Mar 11 17:51:31 1-0 hollywood Mar 11 17:51:32 do you have a phone tybollt Mar 11 17:51:42 they dial up to servers to get the latest month's keys Mar 11 17:51:45 lan: YES! Please CALL ME!!! Mar 11 17:51:55 has been like this for years Mar 11 17:52:05 wots your number Mar 11 17:52:06 Well, pairing is kind of new Mar 11 17:52:25 * RST38h remembers reading of an epic battle between sat tv pirates and Hughes Mar 11 17:52:40 7msg lan +46-0620-59928312 Mar 11 17:53:04 With Hughes slowly assembling the new anti-hack firmware on their hacked cards, piece by signed piece, coming from space Mar 11 17:53:25 And when the last piece arrived... well... :E Mar 11 17:53:31 RST38h: so they eventually beat the pirates? Mar 11 17:53:51 1-800-SEXBOT Mar 11 17:54:00 yes i have it i will text you later or to night Mar 11 17:54:06 lupine_85: ssssh, don't ruin this now :) Mar 11 17:54:08 tybollt: Well, they have beaten everyone with a certain set of card versions and not ugin card emulator when the last packet came Mar 11 17:54:10 ;) Mar 11 17:54:33 tybollt: the later card versions were considered unhackable at the time Mar 11 17:54:53 tybollt: But that was years ago, I have no idea what this field looks like right now. Google. Mar 11 17:55:01 sure Mar 11 17:55:04 and Mar 11 17:55:06 * tybollt & Mar 11 17:55:23 * lupine_85 pokes mobile ipv6 some more Mar 11 17:55:25 I can do it! Mar 11 17:55:48 The card itself is basically a standard SmartCard with memory, CPU and a custom ASIC that directly decodes the data packets Mar 11 17:55:48 meego is planing to run on arm and atom at launch? Mar 11 17:55:58 yeah, n900 and atom box Mar 11 17:56:30 i want to try it on smartq5 Mar 11 17:56:35 * lupine_85 tends to s/unhackable/unsinkable/ Mar 11 17:56:36 do you still go to school tybollt Mar 11 17:56:39 (should someone force the "n900 atom box" meme to further mystify the public? :)) Mar 11 17:57:15 :p Mar 11 17:57:22 forced meme is not a mem Mar 11 17:57:23 ..e Mar 11 18:05:49 will it support arm7 ? Mar 11 18:06:00 I'm looking at some Cortex A9 gear Mar 11 18:06:04 hello Mar 11 18:06:35 is any won here Mar 11 18:06:53 Mar 11 18:07:22 slaine: probably Mar 11 18:07:37 again... Mar 11 18:08:49 VDVsx are you a boy or a girl i am a boy Mar 11 18:08:56 lol Mar 11 18:10:01 <_< Mar 11 18:10:26 i am reach my dad is t-pain Mar 11 18:11:07 VDVsx: i think he likes you Mar 11 18:11:15 eheh Mar 11 18:11:43 * slonopotamus error: cannot parse input. Segmentation fault (core dumped) Mar 11 18:12:22 lan, where are the $5000 that you promised to borrow me ???? grrr Mar 11 18:13:06 hahahah Mar 11 18:13:21 commute time Mar 11 18:13:28 catch you lot later or perhaps tomorrow Mar 11 18:14:02 hello Mar 11 18:14:21 i have a question about meego Mar 11 18:15:08 i'm sure you do :) Mar 11 18:15:17 rryk, don't worry, that's ok, we'll try to help you. Mar 11 18:15:21 whether meego will be available on Nokia n900 Mar 11 18:15:37 You have, of course, googled this before asking? ;) Mar 11 18:16:02 Since the availability of MeeGo for the N900 was announced on the MeeGo blog earlier this month :) Mar 11 18:16:13 it will, by all accounts Mar 11 18:16:14 yes but i found nothing Mar 11 18:16:19 I'll rephrase that, it'd better ;) Mar 11 18:16:50 wow it's great Mar 11 18:16:56 and i have one more question Mar 11 18:17:09 It's the official ARM test device for MeeGo :) Mar 11 18:17:20 So... you can be pretty sure that it will ;) Mar 11 18:17:38 simultaneously with wysjciem meego, you will get a new phone from Nokia Mar 11 18:17:55 Czy jednoczesnie z wyjsciem meego pojawi sie jakis nowy telefon od nokii Mar 11 18:18:01 Can the same time the output meego happens to have a new phone from Nokia Mar 11 18:18:09 sorry Mar 11 18:18:09 :D Mar 11 18:18:21 iI use google translator Mar 11 18:18:26 :D Mar 11 18:18:47 ...you clearly do ;) Mar 11 18:19:04 And google translate is not really good for asking questions ;) Mar 11 18:19:08 Try yourself ;) Mar 11 18:19:16 rryk: such information isn't public, so, that isn't known Mar 11 18:19:51 i dont speak english :D Mar 11 18:19:56 Oh, you mean "when will we see the first official MeeGo device from Nokia"? :) Mar 11 18:20:21 that only sentence what i know in english Mar 11 18:20:23 there will be a new phone at least, the one with maemo6/harmattan/meego 1.0 Mar 11 18:20:34 :D Mar 11 18:20:38 yes Mar 11 18:20:43 i mean when will we see the first official MeeGo device from Nokia Mar 11 18:21:07 rryk: not known Mar 11 18:21:08 In that case, what burchr said: No-one who knows the answer to that is able to tell us yet :) Mar 11 18:23:08 ok thanks I asked this question only because I intend to buy a n900 and I wonder whether it not be better to wait a Mar 11 18:24:13 That depends Mar 11 18:24:23 Do you like hardware keyboard, or touch-screen keyboards? Mar 11 18:24:33 Do you like capacitative or ressistive screens? Mar 11 18:25:04 the n900 is here now, the other device is not Mar 11 18:25:11 there will always be more devices after that device Mar 11 18:25:14 burchr: There is also that :) Mar 11 18:25:30 there will always be another device Mar 11 18:26:10 i'm holding out until i know what device supports meego 3.0 Mar 11 18:27:28 but then a month later there will be a new device that supports 3.1 Mar 11 18:27:43 so i may as well wait for that Mar 11 18:27:46 etc... etc.. Mar 11 18:34:58 lu Mar 11 21:07:15 hello all Mar 11 23:01:12 btw does meego use glibc or eglibc or even ulibc? Mar 11 23:01:26 reworded: what C library does meego use? Mar 11 23:02:16 it'll be uclibc, I bet Mar 11 23:15:56 no, it'll use glibc Mar 11 23:16:46 that featureful, eh Mar 11 23:17:33 then again, seems maemo uses that too Mar 11 23:18:49 and moblin Mar 11 23:22:23 uclibc is not worth the hassle these days, most of the time. Mar 11 23:23:26 unless one wants to build a really embedded system, where there's only a few MB of space Mar 11 23:23:49 mm Mar 11 23:23:58 I guess I'm used to 4MB devices ;) Mar 11 23:24:04 * CosmoHill pokes lupine_85 Mar 11 23:24:08 'though 220MB is already seeming cramped Mar 11 23:24:09 hmm? Mar 11 23:24:18 have you ever been in #lfs-support? Mar 11 23:24:23 nope Mar 11 23:24:30 fair enough Mar 11 23:26:01 ok, time to reboot my router. brb - if the squeeze update works! Mar 11 23:26:08 otherwise, I'll be hunting for a monitor... Mar 11 23:26:09 netgear? Mar 11 23:27:32 kkk Mar 11 23:28:28 kekeke Mar 11 23:28:34 linux box with a linux SBC to handle the ADSL Mar 11 23:28:42 they talk to each other with pppoe Mar 11 23:28:46 and the reboot worked \o/ Mar 11 23:28:48 flawless Mar 11 23:29:10 I should set up a serial line, really Mar 11 23:32:25 aaaargh. I'm still missing kernel options Mar 12 00:02:20 argh, the meego server is failing my emails Mar 12 00:03:53 don't suppose there are any server admins hanging around? ;) Mar 12 00:04:36 * CosmoHill points to the gallows Mar 12 00:11:27 :p Mar 12 00:11:29 I got it in the end Mar 12 00:13:45 * lupine_85 watches his emails magically appear Mar 12 00:14:02 damn goblins Mar 12 00:14:10 stealing your emails and stuff Mar 12 00:14:29 they had my DNS provider this morning Mar 12 00:14:33 anyway Mar 12 00:14:36 night night Mar 12 01:01:00 woah, people are /still/ complaining about the switch to .rpm? Mar 12 01:03:20 i personally dont care, yes it may have a learning curve, but to truthful .rpm is feature rich and deployment code is tight Mar 12 01:26:35 netizen: I care, but I can spot a lost cause when I see one :) Mar 12 01:26:51 rom'll do Mar 12 01:26:52 rpm* Mar 12 01:29:07 its also easier for me to pick up and use again, but the issue is a good eight months away for me anyway Mar 12 01:29:53 but you could be right :-) Mar 12 01:30:13 with no code there's little else concrete to moan about ;-) Mar 12 01:30:47 hehe, this is true Mar 12 02:48:34 http://imggmi.info/DSC-1268361724.jpg/ do my tits look big? Mar 12 02:50:53 tits :B Mar 12 02:54:46 i just learned about kde plasma netbook interface, it seems to be what i need for my micropc, have you tried it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 12 02:59:57 2010