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Mar 25 05:52:47 <Stskeeps> i wonder if i should be worried my mailbox contains no fallout of yesterday's meeting, at all
Mar 25 06:02:03 <ShadowJK> Stskeeps, well it's growing up into a real distro, what is there to be upset about? :-)
Mar 25 06:03:31 <Stskeeps> ShadowJK: at least there's weekly meetings
Mar 25 06:03:51 <ShadowJK> at the start was it
Mar 25 06:03:56 <Stskeeps> yeah
Mar 25 06:04:12 <Stskeeps> then at cruising altitude the TSG won't be needed often :
Mar 25 06:04:13 <Stskeeps> P
Mar 25 06:05:05 <Stskeeps> morning III
Mar 25 06:05:15 <III> morning...
Mar 25 06:05:32 <Stskeeps> (and what are you doing up in the morning in my timezone?) ;)
Mar 25 06:05:51 <ShadowJK> IRC as meeting medium is.. no less timekilling than others..
Mar 25 06:07:25 * III playing with Mediawiki and Drupal :p
Mar 25 06:07:30 <Stskeeps> scary
Mar 25 06:07:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 25 06:07:44 <III> your telling me... I just killed my system
Mar 25 06:08:32 * III is no mysql and php expert :p
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Mar 25 17:16:31 <w00t_> ah right
Mar 25 17:16:33 <w00t_> I will look later
Mar 25 17:16:39 <w00t_> I need my Creator to not crash right now :-)
Mar 25 17:16:44 <timeless_mbp> but roughly speaking, i created a fairly basic designer thingy, saved the thing, closed it, opened the file in a text editor, and either moved an xml thing or removed a container element
Mar 25 17:16:49 <CosmoHill> i wonder if meego will run in virtual box
Mar 25 17:16:54 <timeless_mbp> note that i've been using xml for years
Mar 25 17:16:54 <CosmoHill> </thinkingoutload>
Mar 25 17:16:59 <timeless_mbp> CosmoHill: moblin2.1 does
Mar 25 17:17:03 <timeless_mbp> and mer does
Mar 25 17:17:12 <timeless_mbp> and i've had a mer which had most of diablo too
Mar 25 17:17:25 <timeless_mbp> (advantage of working for nokia on maemo)
Mar 25 17:17:42 <timeless_mbp> i presume i could have a mer w/ most of fremantle if i bothered, but i'm too lazy
Mar 25 17:17:46 * timeless_mbp goes back to w7
Mar 25 17:18:14 <CosmoHill> I'd have moblin on my laptop but nvidia breaks clutter
Mar 25 17:20:43 <timeless_mbp> moblin in theory wants some kind of acceleration which vbox doesn't have iiuc
Mar 25 17:22:09 <timeless_mbp> but that should be solvable
Mar 25 17:36:09 <drizztbsd> CosmoHill: you should make a custom image with binary nvidia drivers
Mar 25 17:36:32 <CosmoHill> I've rebuild xorg and install nvidia drivers
Mar 25 17:36:41 <CosmoHill> mobin became unusable
Mar 25 17:42:17 <drizztbsd> have you added Driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf?
Mar 25 17:43:00 <CosmoHill> yes
Mar 25 17:43:26 <CosmoHill> everything was much smoother but the mobin panel failed to start so I couldn't access anything
Mar 25 17:43:39 <drizztbsd> changed the libGL.so.1?
Mar 25 17:44:06 <CosmoHill> no
Mar 25 17:44:17 <CosmoHill> installed nvidia driver and rebuild xorg
Mar 25 17:44:46 <drizztbsd> that is the problem
Mar 25 17:44:49 <drizztbsd> try to do glxinfo
Mar 25 17:46:02 <CosmoHill> i don't have moblin installed atm
Mar 25 17:46:24 <drizztbsd> ok
Mar 25 17:47:25 * CosmoHill cleans his room and tries to degeek it
Mar 25 17:48:38 <thiago> degeek?
Mar 25 17:48:41 <thiago> how does that work?
Mar 25 17:49:25 <CosmoHill> think that reduce your sex appeal?
Mar 25 17:49:45 <CosmoHill> like instead of having 3 desktops in your room
Mar 25 17:49:47 <CosmoHill> only have one
Mar 25 17:49:54 <CosmoHill> or at least hide 2 of them
Mar 25 17:50:36 <thiago> you could throw away old pizza boxes
Mar 25 17:50:52 <CosmoHill> but I like my HP PA-RISC computer
Mar 25 17:53:22 <thiago> want another one? I think we've outlived the usefulness of our PA-RISC machine
Mar 25 17:53:43 <thiago> actually, we have two
Mar 25 17:54:07 <CosmoHill> maybe
Mar 25 17:54:09 <CosmoHill> what are they?
Mar 25 17:54:42 <thiago> HP-UX piraya B.11.11 U 9000/785 2013624964 unlimited-user license
Mar 25 17:55:05 * drizztbsd hides him Ultra2 machine
Mar 25 17:55:12 <drizztbsd> s/him/his/
Mar 25 17:55:24 <CosmoHill> I put 9000/785 into yahoo and ended up with a gun :/
Mar 25 17:55:50 <thiago> if I knew how to get more info out of HP-UX, I'd give you
Mar 25 17:56:16 <CosmoHill> the 'exotic' machines i have are a HP PA-RISC 700/80, Sun Sunblade 100 UltraSPARC IIe and various powermacs
Mar 25 17:56:37 <CosmoHill> thiago: what's the machine's model number?
Mar 25 17:57:18 <thiago> how do I find out?
Mar 25 17:57:24 <CosmoHill> look at the machine?
Mar 25 17:57:36 <thiago> that would imply finding it in the server room
Mar 25 17:57:46 <CosmoHill> ah
Mar 25 17:57:58 <CosmoHill> any idea on specs?
Mar 25 17:58:00 <CosmoHill> or year
Mar 25 17:58:21 <thiago> I found out that the disk is 70 GB
Mar 25 17:58:27 <CosmoHill> ooo
Mar 25 17:58:28 <CosmoHill> that's good
Mar 25 17:58:31 <CosmoHill> mine is 1GB
Mar 25 17:59:21 <CosmoHill> thiago: ram / processors ?
Mar 25 18:00:10 <thiago> no "free"
Mar 25 18:03:51 <CosmoHill> "top" ?
Mar 25 18:04:25 <thiago> Memory: 48612K (32864K) real, 300528K (133184K) virtual, 362904K free  Page# 1/7
Mar 25 18:04:41 <thiago> 32 MB doesn't sound right
Mar 25 18:04:59 <thiago> but 384 does
Mar 25 18:05:17 <CosmoHill> here's my specs: 1GB hard drive, 64MB RAM, 80Mhz processor
Mar 25 18:05:21 <style> Will meego come to n900?
Mar 25 18:05:25 <CosmoHill> yes
Mar 25 18:05:30 <style> cool
Mar 25 18:05:33 <CosmoHill> if the n900 has 3omp
Mar 25 18:05:34 <CosmoHill> or something
Mar 25 18:05:39 <thiago> I'm sure this processor is a bit better
Mar 25 18:05:43 <thiago> it can compile Qt in under a day
Mar 25 18:05:59 <thiago> CosmoHill: 3omp?
Mar 25 18:06:08 <CosmoHill> hold on
Mar 25 18:06:13 <thiago> did you mean OMAP3?
Mar 25 18:06:51 <CosmoHill>    1330 Mar 24 20:28:34 <ImadSousou>    Atom systems and N900 w/OMAP3
Mar 25 18:07:06 <thiago> N900 is an OMAP3 device
Mar 25 18:07:08 <CosmoHill> I just heard thunder so if I go offline you know why
Mar 25 18:07:11 <thiago> OMAP3430 to be precise
Mar 25 18:08:11 <thiago> more info on wikipedia
Mar 25 18:08:51 <trip0> oh, so are we saying there will be a productized version of meego for the n900 now?
Mar 25 18:08:57 <trip0> or is that still vague?
Mar 25 18:10:50 <bfree> trip0: still vague.   the "Day 1" code will run on the N900 is all that has been said afaik
Mar 25 18:11:10 <CosmoHill> thiago: I'm on page about hp9000, they were made between 1980 and 2008
Mar 25 18:11:52 <CosmoHill> here's mine: http://www.openpa.net/systems/hp-9000_712.html
Mar 25 18:13:49 <GAN900> Anybody got the meeting minutes handy?
Mar 25 18:14:02 <CosmoHill> minutes?
Mar 25 18:14:11 <Stskeeps> http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-03-24-19.58.html
Mar 25 19:20:08 <obcecado> i wonder whether meego will have a ipv6-ready kernel shipped in or not
Mar 25 19:20:08 <CosmoHill> thiago_home: http://www.spec.org/cpu95/results/res98q4/cpu95-981204-03211.html :) i think that's it
Mar 25 19:20:19 <CosmoHill> i don't see why it shouldn't
Mar 25 19:20:28 <thiago_home> obcecado: I actually think it should
Mar 25 19:20:37 <thiago_home> devices for 2011 should all be IPv6-ready
Mar 25 19:20:55 <obcecado> the problem is not device-related
Mar 25 19:21:12 <obcecado> theres already something out for freemantle, but the package is bugged
Mar 25 19:21:25 <thiago_home> actually, it is
Mar 25 19:21:33 <thiago_home> operators are requiring IPv6
Mar 25 19:21:38 <thiago_home> (or are going to)
Mar 25 19:32:47 * ShadowJK wonders if meego will have a kernel
Mar 25 19:35:11 <thiago_home> ShadowJK: nope, we'll run directly on BIOS :-P
Mar 25 19:36:30 <Stskeeps> we'll run in your brain, on your idle cpu cycles
Mar 25 19:36:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Mar 25 19:37:30 <ShadowJK> I mean from a fragmentation point of view, whether you can rely on kernel features being present
Mar 25 19:37:53 <Stskeeps> i hope it is possible to have a shared set of kernel headers :P
Mar 25 19:38:06 <thiago_home> kernel headers aren't used by userspace
Mar 25 19:38:07 <ShadowJK> or if MeeGo doesn't care/define that as long as base system runs
Mar 25 19:38:39 <thiago_home> userspace uses headers from glibc, which has a copy of the kernel headers, cleaned up
Mar 25 19:39:19 <thiago_home> as for kernel features, it usually depends on the device
Mar 25 19:39:38 <thiago_home> I don't see why some should have, for example, xfs support
Mar 25 19:39:52 <thiago_home> sure, some people could have xfs USB sticks or microSD
Mar 25 19:40:29 <ShadowJK> how about netfilter and conntrack :)
Mar 25 19:59:02 <Stskeeps> evening DawnFoster
Mar 25 20:03:14 <DawnFoster> evening Stskeeps. Thanks again for your help getting the meego-meeting channel set up for the moderated TSG meeting yesterday.
Mar 25 20:03:32 <Stskeeps> np - all things considered it could have gone a lot worse :)
Mar 25 20:04:17 <CosmoHill> hey DawnFoster and Stskeeps
Mar 25 20:04:38 <DawnFoster> yeah, I thought it went pretty well for the first one. Now, we just need to do some fine tuning.
Mar 25 20:04:44 <DawnFoster> hey CosmoHill
Mar 25 20:05:20 * thiago_home has collected all questions from yesterday and categorised them
Mar 25 20:05:27 <CosmoHill> :)
Mar 25 20:05:29 <thiago_home> maybe we can get some more answered for the next meeting?
Mar 25 20:05:44 <Stskeeps> maybe a weekly blog, "ask the TSG"
Mar 25 20:05:45 <CosmoHill> are they going on the wiki to be answered at a later date?
Mar 25 20:15:01 <DawnFoster> we definitely ran out of time on the questions.
Mar 25 20:15:29 <DawnFoster> I expect that we'll get to some of them next week with explicit agenda items.
Mar 25 20:16:11 <timeless_mbp> thiago: "was it worth it"?
Mar 25 20:16:39 <timeless_mbp> DawnFoster: if the members of TSG didn't see that coming....
Mar 25 20:17:12 <DawnFoster> Thiago - can we get those questions posted on the wiki somewhere? I'd like to make sure some of the bigger topics are covered explicitly on the agenda for next week.
Mar 25 20:17:58 <DawnFoster> timeless: we expected that it would be a bit chaotic with more questions than we could possibly answer.
Mar 25 20:18:26 <DawnFoster> part of the reason that we went for an extra hour was because Imad / Valtteri wanted to answer as many questions as we could.
Mar 25 20:18:49 <DawnFoster> I think we did pretty well for a first meeting :)
Mar 25 20:19:18 <timeless_mbp> all things considered, it wasn't bad
Mar 25 20:19:28 <timeless_mbp> but i'd kinda suggest that they consider using a spell checker
Mar 25 20:19:35 <timeless_mbp> they really don't come off professionally
Mar 25 20:19:42 <timeless_mbp> and for the time block you're reserving, you aren't in a rush
Mar 25 20:20:03 <timeless_mbp> one fewer question answered from a bucketful of unanswered questions won't be noticed :)
Mar 25 20:24:45 <CosmoHill> son of a bitch
Mar 25 20:24:55 <CosmoHill> I press play on a flash video and firefox died
Mar 25 20:25:55 <ShadowJK> CosmoHill, didn't you hear steve jobs proclaimed flash the source of all crashes
Mar 25 20:25:57 <DawnFoster> I'll see what I can do on the spelling :)
Mar 25 20:26:26 <RST38h> FireFox and N900 ?
Mar 25 20:26:36 <CosmoHill> I'm on a mac
Mar 25 20:26:49 <RST38h> Is Mac still supported by Mozilla? =)
Mar 25 20:26:51 <CosmoHill> ShadowJK: how would he know? he doesn't allow flash on his shiny things
Mar 25 20:27:17 <ShadowJK> on the desktop and laptop machines he does
Mar 25 20:28:04 <CosmoHill> just looking at Freesat HD, apparently this box can play bbc iplayer better than my desktop and powerbook
Mar 25 22:21:22 <CosmoHill> anyone got "addiected to bass 2010?"
Mar 25 22:21:54 <thiago_home> sounds like a CD
Mar 25 22:22:00 <CosmoHill> correct
Mar 25 22:22:23 * thiago_home bought Love from The Beatles last, for himself
Mar 25 22:22:34 <thiago_home> and some CD as gifts
Mar 25 22:22:45 <thiago_home> let me check if that one is available on Spotify
Mar 25 22:23:42 <thiago_home> no, can't find it
Mar 25 22:27:26 <CosmoHill> http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/RB9SE1AXUYBJ1
Mar 25 22:27:34 <CosmoHill> this person is clearly a moron
Mar 25 23:23:29 * CosmoHill could do with some CDs
Mar 25 23:24:38 <CosmoHill> wb
Mar 25 23:24:52 <CosmoHill> i see you're on a mac
Mar 25 23:24:58 <DawnFoster> hi CosmoHill. I am :)
Mar 25 23:28:47 <CosmoHill> my mac is old but still going
Mar 25 23:30:59 <DawnFoster> I like my mac. I have lots of great apps + a unix command line, which is the perfect combo for me.
Mar 25 23:32:28 <red> i could prolly learn to live with a mac if I could replace the dock with a ubuntu style panel, and the finder with anything else, even windows explorer would suffice better :)
Mar 25 23:32:34 * ImadSousou is surprised Dawn is not running MeeGo
Mar 25 23:32:44 <red> and the dreadful minimize, maximize and close positioning
Mar 25 23:32:47 <red> *sgamma:~/public_html/ot03/my >cvs ci -m "25.03.2010 Tehdyt työt." ChangeLog
Mar 25 23:32:47 <red> hivgamma:~/public_html/ot03/my >cvs ci -m "25.03.2010 Tehdyt työt." ChangeLog
Mar 25 23:32:53 <red> oops
Mar 25 23:33:00 <red> stupid touchpad :)
Mar 25 23:33:29 <DawnFoster> ImadSousou: I run MeeGo too :)
Mar 25 23:33:47 <ImadSousou> cool
Mar 25 23:33:50 <CosmoHill> hey ImadSousou
Mar 25 23:33:51 <CosmoHill> welcome
Mar 25 23:33:55 <ImadSousou> hey Cosmo
Mar 25 23:34:04 <ImadSousou> what's up
Mar 25 23:34:06 <CosmoHill> DawnFoster: has one of them new fangles intel macs
Mar 25 23:34:13 <red> any of you guys heard of jolicloud?
Mar 25 23:34:37 <ImadSousou> jolicloud -- hmm, sounds like a drug (the good kind)
Mar 25 23:34:42 <DawnFoster> CosmoHill: yes, I do, and the Intel macs are zippy!
Mar 25 23:34:50 <CosmoHill> sounds like a cloud distro
Mar 25 23:34:55 <red> it's based on jaunty
Mar 25 23:35:02 <red> but with pretty sugar on top :)
Mar 25 23:35:24 <red> been testing it on my netbook for few weeks now, everything works quite nicely out of the box
Mar 25 23:35:48 <red> they've seen a lot trouble to get the kernel support even more stuff than basic ubuntu distro does, especially on the small laptop front
Mar 25 23:36:19 <CosmoHill> i found 2.6.32 or .33 easy to config
Mar 25 23:37:46 <CosmoHill> you enabled the FS you wanted and the rest it did yourself
Mar 25 23:40:28 <CosmoHill> *itself
Mar 25 23:46:06 <CosmoHill> cyas
Mar 25 23:50:13 <lbt> hi ImadSousou
Mar 25 23:50:34 <lbt> DawnFoster: stickers :)   +1
Mar 25 23:51:13 <lbt> ImadSousou: seen http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Repository_working_group
Mar 25 23:53:45 <lbt> anyone here know about Meego being ssse3 and so not allowing non-ssse3 capable systems to run it?
Mar 25 23:54:18 <lbt> eg no developers using AMD desktops can use the build tools
Mar 25 23:55:38 <lbt> even my poor old Pentium 4 Prescott can't AFAIK...
Mar 25 23:57:18 <lbt> nm, some other time...
Mar 26 00:00:29 <DawnFoster> lbt: I'm hoping to have stickers in a couple of weeks to bring to the Collaboration Summit for the MeeGo workgroup *crossing fingers*
Mar 26 00:02:10 <DawnFoster> lbt: have you already asked that question in the meego-dev mailing list? You should be able to get a better response there.
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