**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 05 02:59:56 2010 Apr 05 11:22:59 ohai Apr 05 11:23:18 hai Apr 05 11:33:41 bonzai Apr 05 11:41:21 Banza~i Apr 05 11:43:44 codename of next meego release? Apr 05 11:44:01 mogwai Apr 05 11:44:33 Gizmo? Apr 05 11:44:36 take care of water! or gremlins ! Apr 05 11:44:42 :D Apr 05 11:44:53 :) Apr 05 11:45:08 They're cute tho Apr 05 11:45:14 we see the historical reference :) Apr 05 11:45:25 :) Apr 05 11:45:27 if you feed meego after midnight, it will grow a xterm Apr 05 11:45:38 a _evil_ xterm Apr 05 11:45:38 mouahhahahahaha javis Apr 05 11:54:51 heh, dir listing instead of page on maemo weekly news: http://www.mwkn.net/2010/14/ Apr 05 11:57:44 ^^ rmrfchik Apr 05 11:58:17 this link is in RSS feed! i'm a haxor! ;) Apr 05 11:58:22 i'm not! Apr 05 12:03:46 <_Sky_> good afternoon :) Apr 05 12:14:32 good afternoon _Sky_ Apr 05 12:52:00 hi all, there's so many Apr 05 12:52:29 yup Apr 05 12:52:34 hey :) Apr 05 12:52:37 will meego be able to play flash ? Apr 05 12:53:50 I would like to know more about videostream, any of you are in this area? Apr 05 12:54:08 what's ConnectTV ? Apr 05 12:54:30 I imagine there will be flash support via one of the open source implementations, I don't know if that's already done Apr 05 12:56:08 i'm intaling the IDE, let me try do something ;) Apr 05 12:57:05 IDE ? Apr 05 12:59:22 Qt creator Apr 05 12:59:36 ok Apr 05 13:02:04 basic layout.. looks nice ;) Apr 05 13:02:51 on arm? atom? virtualized? live usb? Apr 05 13:26:49 i am testing a few examples.. very nice Apr 05 13:31:59 ok, i have chicken interpreter running on n900. Apr 05 13:38:53 Mmmmm, chicken. Apr 05 13:40:45 So those who are looking for pykickstart for their MIC2 installations on debian, I've submitted an RFP for pykickstart. Apr 05 13:48:23 jeremiah: chicken is scheme Apr 05 13:55:20 videostream solutions? any tips? Apr 05 13:58:16 What is the best dev environment for MeeGo to rebuild the product sources? Apr 05 13:59:53 if it's c++ I would say visual studio express ( but I really don't know ) Apr 05 14:00:43 I will try to do a movie player, since I didn't find one in examples Apr 05 14:01:05 A scheme to create more chickens! Apr 05 14:01:43 ypahnu: There will be dozens of movie players created. Apr 05 14:02:04 Look at gstreamer or pulseaudio Apr 05 14:03:01 hurewitz, http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment Apr 05 14:04:27 koupsaa, so it seems like testing has been done with Fedora 12. Sounds good to me. Time to download. Apr 05 14:04:30 koupsaa, I saw that. I found it on quarkplayer and Rationales, I am wondering what to do with all this. Apr 05 14:06:25 I am wondering how would meego be working on a car system !? Apr 05 14:07:21 would it be possible to install/use on my oldy 486 laptop? Apr 05 14:07:34 lol Apr 05 14:08:02 you know car systems are very powerful nowadays :) Apr 05 14:08:36 ypahnu: Meego has IVI involved... Apr 05 14:08:50 well the only one that impress me it's JVC Apr 05 14:09:06 has IVI involved ? what's that? Apr 05 14:09:18 google Apr 05 14:09:37 I'm seriously interested in using a Joggler in a car Apr 05 14:09:44 for now meego is only a term for developpping. euh if your 486 is an atom lol. in vm or vbox maybe. and if you want to develop an app use qt. Apr 05 14:11:16 ohh offcourse.. any other framework that's not atom , won't work Apr 05 14:11:41 arm works Apr 05 14:11:48 so I guess my oldy Nokia 6600 won't be able to use meego ? Apr 05 14:12:57 all next generation Nokias will have with meego ? Apr 05 14:13:23 or it's like Android that not many phone have it ? Apr 05 14:14:12 Android target it's so small that's not profitable develop apps for it Apr 05 14:14:30 meego will not be like that, right? Apr 05 14:15:09 well, sorry to deceive you: symbian will remain for a while Apr 05 14:15:32 the good news is that Qt should provide a common development framework. Apr 05 14:16:08 maybe it will be like taht. now i think is to early to really now. Apr 05 14:18:51 http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/lg-gw990-hands-on/ is this meego? it's playing youtube video? Apr 05 14:19:38 "The UI at present is just a standard S-class layered on top of Moblin, giving us no cause for excitement," Apr 05 14:19:44 reading the article you link to might be helpful :P Apr 05 14:20:57 http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/16/lg-gw990-to-be-among-first-meego-phones/ Apr 05 14:21:14 don't believe everything you read on engadget Apr 05 14:21:24 as there isn't a complete meego system for it to use now, that would be a bit diffuclt Apr 05 14:21:29 so every Moblin phone can use moogo ? Apr 05 14:21:47 *meego ? Apr 05 14:22:03 that question doesn't make sense Apr 05 14:22:11 * w00t_ agrees Apr 05 14:22:28 anyway, there are lots of devices that will probably be able to use it Apr 05 14:24:29 I still very confuse with all this. I am not really a mobile device developer Apr 05 14:26:29 heh... we really need "Welcome. Meego's current status is ..." page on the wiki Apr 05 14:27:01 we could say that the status is green Apr 05 14:27:02 including some FAQs Apr 05 14:27:08 then have people ask what it means Apr 05 14:27:09 I was going to say amber Apr 05 14:27:19 beats Apr 05 14:27:38 ypahnu: summary is this. meego is currently in a very young state, it doesn't have a GUI to play with, it isn't ready for commercial use *yet* Apr 05 14:28:01 ypahnu: that particular device may, or may not end up using meego - as might many others Apr 05 14:28:04 well, it is ready for commercial use. But you still have to do stuff on it. Apr 05 14:28:18 there's a good foundation for anyone to build a UI. Apr 05 14:28:21 thiago: right, my meaning is that a product isn't going to ship with meego on it this week Apr 05 14:28:38 unless the target audience really like xterm Apr 05 14:28:44 no Apr 05 14:28:52 you assume that all products will use the meego default UI Apr 05 14:28:56 or they have some über programmer capable of creating a entire qt mobile ui :) Apr 05 14:28:58 that isn't necessary Apr 05 14:29:10 if someone has a UI built on Linux, they could deploy MeeGo today Apr 05 14:29:22 they don't even have to use Qt Apr 05 14:29:37 they could, yes, but as no such devices have been announced, it's safe to assume that they haven't, or they're waiting for a little more of the dust to settle Apr 05 14:29:55 I wouldn't assume that they haven't Apr 05 14:30:03 I could assume that they are waiting for the dust to settle Apr 05 14:30:40 * w00t_ shrugs Apr 05 14:31:07 I certainly wouldn't be dumping a commercial product on top of an OS that was under a month out the gate after the first code release Apr 05 14:31:19 let me qualify that Apr 05 14:31:30 I wouldn't be aiming to release a commercial product anywhere near a month after the first code release Apr 05 14:31:32 you wouldn't, because you're reasonable Apr 05 14:31:38 :-) Apr 05 14:31:46 companies, however... Apr 05 14:31:56 hopefully have reasonable people working at them Apr 05 14:32:01 or people listening to those reasonable people Apr 05 14:32:14 the problem is that reasonable people pull each in different directions Apr 05 14:32:17 if they don't, they usually won't stay in business all that long - repeated bad decisions tend to stack up Apr 05 14:32:34 plus there's some reasonable people high up who don't know what they're talking about and say "let's just do that" Apr 05 14:32:53 but for the future do you beleave that nokia will release all phone with meego? with diferent releases depending on each phone? and all games / apps that we do will compatible with it? Apr 05 14:33:00 ypahnu: no Apr 05 14:33:01 ypahnu: no Apr 05 14:33:08 Nokia will continue releasing Symbian and S40 phones Apr 05 14:33:42 I *do not* know the volume order for sure, but I would guess that for each MeeGo phone shipped, there will be 10 Symbian ones, and 100 S40 ones Apr 05 14:33:49 however, application compatibility between them should be fairly easy to achieve using Qt Apr 05 14:34:00 not with S40 Apr 05 14:34:05 true Apr 05 14:34:13 but with Symbian, that should work Apr 05 14:34:15 S40 is a different ballgame, and not one I know much about thankfully Apr 05 14:34:53 engadget was running some numbers some months ago (when the N900 was announced) and declared that Nokia intended to ship another 200 million Symbian phones in 2 years Apr 05 14:34:59 hum, so would be great that we could publish from qt creator to any of those devices? Apr 05 14:35:27 so, if we get 20 million N900++, I'll be very happy Apr 05 14:36:00 thiago: I think the volume of N900s even was higher than anticipated, given all the supply problems initially etc Apr 05 14:36:52 I can't understand why don't every phone brand use the same OS, that would better for all, right? Apr 05 14:37:02 no Apr 05 14:37:06 ypahnu: that's what Symbian tried to do Apr 05 14:37:23 it was (I think) the first multi-brand phone OS Apr 05 14:37:32 well, I suppose from some perspectives, actually, it would be good, but I'd much rather have different brands trying different things Apr 05 14:37:40 before Symbian, there were only custom-made kernels, made specifically for a device Apr 05 14:37:42 strong competition leads to innovation Apr 05 14:38:19 besides, can you imagine Apple using anything that would loosen their control? Apr 05 14:38:20 anyone care to answer a JS question? Apr 05 14:38:34 but aren't we in a ERA that opensource leads to inovations ? Apr 05 14:39:03 ypahnu: that sentence doesn't mean anything at all Apr 05 14:39:20 ypahnu: if there is no competition, there is no need to try improve things, there is no drive to improve Apr 05 14:43:17 so any of you get payed to build meego? who pays you? Apr 05 14:43:25 ypahnu, symbian is open source these days any way Apr 05 14:44:41 ypahnu, meego has paid devs but it also has testers and devs not getting paid Apr 05 14:47:03 * thiago is paid to do many things Apr 05 14:47:08 but not specifically MeeGo Apr 05 14:47:50 thiago: Quich easy way to chang keyboard (in X and or consol) Apr 05 14:47:57 Quick Apr 05 14:48:07 setxkbmap Apr 05 14:48:23 Thankgod... my head was in suspend.. Apr 05 14:50:22 thiago: yet you do it for the love of it anyway? :-) Apr 05 14:50:37 openstandards: it may be open source but it is not open source in a manner consumable by the masses Apr 05 14:51:21 I'm paid to work on Qt, and since Qt is part of MeeGo, I end up working in MeeGo indirectly Apr 05 14:52:47 * w00t_ is enjoying getting to work with Qt professionally Apr 05 14:53:57 * VDVsx too :D Apr 05 14:54:06 VDVsx: ++ :) Apr 05 14:55:20 now that maemo has merged, will they open up more ports of maemo? Apr 05 14:55:48 openstandards: do you have specifics you're thinking of? Apr 05 14:56:25 like accessing and improving the calendar? Apr 05 14:57:26 I don't know what will be happening with regards to Maemo, I imagine MeeGo will have open calendaring of some kind in the future though Apr 05 14:57:36 whether or not vendors use it or not though... Apr 05 14:58:09 i hope its icalendar compatible i really hate how pants the current calendar app is Apr 05 15:02:48 If I replace the meego kernel with something more generic would I be able to install meego on a laptop (Pentium III 450mhz)? Apr 05 15:05:09 I think you'd need to recompile everything Apr 05 15:09:35 I shall give that a go - thank you ShadowJK. Apr 05 15:10:41 johnel, that's what I need ;) Apr 05 15:11:11 light OS for old PC Apr 05 17:19:20 ok pidgin in ;eego Apr 05 17:19:29 need zwer Apr 05 17:19:37 zwerty now Apr 05 17:21:56 echo $PATH Apr 05 19:32:44 motd Apr 05 20:27:04 hi Apr 05 20:27:56 how do i use this? Apr 05 20:28:42 well, you type and press enter Apr 05 20:28:53 when you do that, your IRC client sends the line to the IRC server Apr 05 20:29:00 the IRC server then sends to us and we see what you typed Apr 05 20:29:16 all users get the msg? Apr 05 20:29:58 chadjust, yes, we also have loud speakers broadcasting your messages across the hilltops Apr 05 20:30:02 aa 364 present in this channel Apr 05 20:31:00 cool thanks Apr 05 20:33:37 actually, the server doesn't send your own messages back to you Apr 05 22:13:46 nite all, sweet dreams Apr 05 22:14:08 thiago: you sure? why is there a considerable delay sometimes before your message appears on the channel? Apr 05 22:14:38 * jl_ tried reading the RFC, but didn't find this defined yet Apr 05 22:23:19 jl_: huh? Apr 06 00:11:40 anyone use git? Apr 06 00:12:26 say I've accidentally delete a file and want to pull it again, how would I do that? Apr 06 00:14:26 <_Sky_> maybe this helps: http://thefinerstuff.posterous.com/git-saved-my-day-restore-accid Apr 06 00:15:08 yay Apr 06 00:15:09 * CosmoHill bows Apr 06 00:15:30 [01:15] 1740934 packets transmitted Apr 06 00:15:31 oops Apr 06 00:16:08 <_Sky_> looks like many ^^ Apr 06 00:17:05 koupsaa: you have IPv6, i envy you Apr 06 00:17:44 <_Sky_> also have a look at the last comment, could be useful too Apr 06 00:19:07 this is not my fault sorry :) i see not the diff for now Apr 06 00:21:20 _Sky_: works out at 17 days :o Apr 06 00:23:14 <_Sky_> ? Apr 06 00:23:23 the ping thing Apr 06 00:24:27 <_Sky_> :D Apr 06 00:25:26 night night Apr 06 00:25:31 <_Sky_> good night Apr 06 00:26:45 how can i do a git checkout of the current meego branch? Apr 06 00:27:18 cant find anything in the wiki Apr 06 00:28:29 alden http://meego.gitorious.org/ Apr 06 00:34:28 koupsaa: thanks. Apr 06 00:50:37 good night Apr 06 00:56:25 good morning Apr 06 01:59:40 is there any document about how to porting meego to other hardware platform? thanks in advance Apr 06 02:00:08 such as an ARM9 based platform Apr 06 02:08:04 vaughan: it should be very easy to port it Apr 06 02:08:11 currently I think it's armv5 only Apr 06 02:08:26 so you can put it on most arm devices available nowadays Apr 06 02:08:48 get the tarball rootfs, for example, put your kernel modules, flash your kernel and boot the rootfs Apr 06 02:09:13 any idea if the May release will include the GUI? Apr 06 02:10:18 nMIK-3: on nokia side you can already "try" the harmattan ui Apr 06 02:10:30 guess that the may release will bring it, for n900 Apr 06 02:10:53 but don't know for other devices, as currently the ui is still based on clutter and gtk Apr 06 02:12:07 yes but I thing Meego's GUI will be different from Harmattan no? Apr 06 02:12:15 probably Apr 06 02:13:50 i beleive the big challence for both Nkia and Intel will be the GUI as MeeGo is set to equally support phones, netbooks and other devices while at the same time all of them have different GUI needs Apr 06 02:14:49 for example a mobile computer like the N900 wust be finger friendly while a netbook must be mouse friently Apr 06 02:15:12 I hope Nokia and Intel both have something in mind to address this issue Apr 06 02:15:29 sure, but Nokia also said that most of the GUI components will be responsability of the hardware vendor itself Apr 06 02:15:35 so I think we'll have a default UI Apr 06 02:15:44 but it's not going to be used for the nokia meego devices Apr 06 02:16:21 regarding netbooks, I think the default UI will probably be the one delivered and used by intel in its products Apr 06 02:16:42 rsvalveti this is good solution but it will be confusing for the end users Apr 06 02:17:05 first of all the quality of the gui will be based on the manufacturer Apr 06 02:17:47 second an end user will not be able to understand and use two different machines with two different guis Apr 06 02:18:21 yeah, and what worries me the most is the use of a different UI api and framework Apr 06 02:18:23 i beleibe a good solution will be advance themes Apr 06 02:18:33 for example, in maemo they are developing the DUI Apr 06 02:18:40 and symbian we have orbit Apr 06 02:19:03 and porting one application to one platform to another is not going to be trivial, as the api is different Apr 06 02:19:19 so besides the UI behavior, we still have the problem of not having a common api Apr 06 02:19:32 this is why they are betting on QT Apr 06 02:19:44 use Qt itself, don't use DUI, don't use Orbit Apr 06 02:19:48 and you will be fine Apr 06 02:19:51 sure Apr 06 02:20:47 you'll probably not fully use the UI, but it's the best option if you want to use it in another UI or device Apr 06 02:20:49 GUI guys... for me this is the KEY for MeeGo's success or failure Apr 06 02:21:53 and I am afraid that they will screw this up... Apr 06 02:23:19 so back in my question, do you guys think we will see MeeGo GUI Proposal in the schedule May release? Apr 06 02:23:50 you will probably see *A* meego GUI, yes Apr 06 02:24:00 but it most likely won't be used by any manufacturer Apr 06 02:24:05 so I'm not sure why you're so worried about it Apr 06 02:24:38 be more terrified what individual companies come up with Apr 06 02:25:31 because if MeeGo ends up having different GUI on phones, netbooks & other devices it will be very confusing for the end user Apr 06 02:25:37 look windows Apr 06 02:25:52 all this years are perfect for the desktop Apr 06 02:26:11 but it just fails to satisfly in touchscreens Apr 06 02:26:27 it will almost certainly end up having different GUI, unfortunately Apr 06 02:26:46 different companies want different things, and one thing almost all companies want is differentiation Apr 06 02:26:55 yeah, I don't think we'll have a common UI or something like that Apr 06 02:27:09 Qt will be the top-most common API Apr 06 02:27:10 windows 7 the same thing, this is why HP will highly customize the new HP slate with special theme to make it touch friendly Apr 06 02:27:10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_differentiation) Apr 06 02:28:00 * w00t_ yawns and goes back to doing productive things Apr 06 02:28:17 but no matter how far HP goes with customization you can still tell that HP slate is still a windows 7 machine Apr 06 02:29:07 Navigator Apr 06 02:29:25 as I said. I beleibe MeeGo must have a unique GUI accross the different platforms but different themes in order to be able to serve different needs Apr 06 02:30:17 if Nokia manage to do that then it will be great Apr 06 02:30:28 if not I am not sure where this will go Apr 06 02:30:37 especially with todays compatition Apr 06 02:31:01 the last thing Nokia and Intel want right now is confusion Apr 06 02:31:41 and everybody knows that GUI is the signature of each OS Apr 06 02:34:03 gtg talk to you soon **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 06 02:59:56 2010