**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 08 02:59:56 2010
Apr 08 06:37:07 <aaa_> hello
Apr 08 06:37:38 <aaa_> Why MeeGo?
Apr 08 06:37:48 <Stskeeps> why not?
Apr 08 06:37:51 <aaa_> Say I have an Atom based platform.
Apr 08 06:38:11 <aaa_> Why use MeeGo and not, e.g. another Linux distro?
Apr 08 06:38:32 <thiago_home> which other?
Apr 08 06:38:57 <aaa_> Well, Atom is x86 compatible, so basically any other, e.g. ubuntu
Apr 08 06:39:06 <thiago_home> what kind of device are you looking at?
Apr 08 06:39:07 <thiago_home> a TV?
Apr 08 06:39:14 <aaa_> Nettop
Apr 08 06:39:16 <thiago_home> or is it a slate (like the iPad)?
Apr 08 06:39:19 <red> would you like to run ubuntu on your mobile phone for example?
Apr 08 06:39:19 <thiago_home> netbook?
Apr 08 06:39:20 <aaa_> or Netbook
Apr 08 06:39:39 <thiago_home> does Ubuntu have UIs for small screens like a netbook?
Apr 08 06:39:54 <red> it has the Netbook Remix version which isn't that shabby
Apr 08 06:40:01 <thiago_home> if it does, you can use it
Apr 08 06:40:03 <red> Jolicloud is similar and based on Ubuntu
Apr 08 06:40:20 <thiago_home> but the point we're trying to make is that, besides netbooks, most other profiles have no place in other Linux distributions
Apr 08 06:40:24 <thiago_home> do you agree?
Apr 08 06:40:31 <red> but say you do have a MeeGo phone, it would be quite cool to run the same OS on a Netbook, especially if it had touch screen.
Apr 08 06:40:38 <aaa_> Only due to UI restriction?
Apr 08 06:40:52 <thiago_home> not just UI, but also features
Apr 08 06:40:56 <red> I would definately try it
Apr 08 06:41:01 <aaa_> Is MeeGo's advantage related mostly to UI issues (small / touch screens etc)
Apr 08 06:41:04 <thiago_home> what is the package on Ubuntu that deals with phone calls?
Apr 08 06:41:05 <red> If it had what i needed :)
Apr 08 06:42:22 <thiago_home> anyway, UI is not the only advantage
Apr 08 06:42:52 <thiago_home> it's one big one, since most other distributions aren't doing touch UIs or UIs suited for small screens, or big far-away screens (like a TV)
Apr 08 06:43:09 <thiago_home> the infrastructure is another advantage, the collection of packages
Apr 08 06:43:23 <thiago_home> the testing
Apr 08 06:44:04 <aaa_> Interesting.
Apr 08 06:44:14 <aaa_> Well, let me ask it another way.
Apr 08 06:44:20 <thiago_home> and anyway, what drives someone to choose a particular Linux distro? Ease of use and knowledge of it, normally.
Apr 08 06:44:53 <thiago_home> oh, the possibility of app stores. Every company wants their piece of that cake.
Apr 08 06:45:58 <aaa_> Say I have an embedded Atom based device, which does not require any UI, and I'm looking for a Linux distro. I'm more interested in OS latency, size, real-time etc. Is MeeGo a real option to consider or is that somewhat out of its scope?
Apr 08 06:46:25 <thiago_home> I wouldn't know in that hypothetical device
Apr 08 06:46:30 <thiago_home> you'd have to be a bit more real
Apr 08 06:47:03 <aaa_> This is real.
Apr 08 06:47:19 <thiago_home> I mean details
Apr 08 06:47:47 <thiago_home> MeeGo will probably run on devices with as little as 256 MB of storage and 256 MB of RAM
Apr 08 06:48:03 <aaa_> OK, that's good.
Apr 08 06:48:56 <thiago_home> but if you are a company and you want to ship a device, I suggest you contact one of the companies behind MeeGo right now to see how they can help you
Apr 08 06:49:35 <aaa_> I am actually in touch with Intel, but I thought I'd get some more info here. Thank you for your help.
Apr 08 06:50:21 <thiago_home> yeah
Apr 08 06:50:28 <thiago_home> but try it and try another
Apr 08 06:50:39 <aaa_> Thanks. I will.
Apr 08 06:50:41 <thiago_home> see what pleases you better and what gives you the best long-term "deal"
Apr 08 08:37:44 <slaine> morning all
Apr 08 08:47:26 <EvilSpeaks> morning all, first time on IRC here (haven't used this thing (IRC) since university - some 10 year ago!!!
Apr 08 08:48:11 <gladiac> woohoo :)
Apr 08 08:49:30 <EvilSpeaks> bit quite?
Apr 08 08:52:59 <EvilSpeaks> anyone know what to type to get a help list?
Apr 08 08:53:09 <EvilSpeaks> tried /help but no luck
Apr 08 09:01:00 <till-> depends on your client i guess
Apr 08 09:56:35 <slaine> Stskeeps: you about ?
Apr 08 09:56:45 <Stskeeps> mm?
Apr 08 09:56:58 <slaine> mind if I pm you ?
Apr 08 09:57:08 <Stskeeps> go ahead
Apr 08 11:36:17 <J_P> hi all
Apr 08 12:15:27 <tackat_> http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=95 < Maemo 'N Marble :-)
Apr 08 12:16:28 <dneary> Hi all
Apr 08 12:16:32 <dneary> slaine, Ping?
Apr 08 12:16:41 * CosmoHill pings slaine too
Apr 08 12:17:00 <slaine> Yo
Apr 08 12:17:15 * slaine is a busy bee
Apr 08 12:17:42 * CosmoHill needs to be
Apr 08 12:22:10 <CosmoHill> my toshlink cable is here
Apr 08 12:22:17 * CosmoHill dives down the back of his AV gear
Apr 08 13:20:43 * CosmoHill cracks an easter egg open on slaine and shares it with him
Apr 08 13:21:51 <slaine> Hmmm, chocolate
Apr 08 13:22:36 * CosmoHill offers a bit to _Sky_ 
Apr 08 13:24:02 <_Sky_> hmm delicious
Apr 08 13:58:50 <postmanPechkin> hi) where can i get moblin sdk?
Apr 08 14:18:50 <CosmoHill> postmanPechkin: i think you can get Qt Creator for windows, mac and linux
Apr 08 14:57:05 <postmanPechkin> CosmoHill: i have Qt Creator, so i can develop for Moblin without Moblin sdk?
Apr 08 14:57:31 <CosmoHill> i don't know
Apr 08 14:57:36 <CosmoHill> moblin doens't use Qt
Apr 08 14:57:39 <CosmoHill> but Meego does
Apr 08 14:58:06 <postmanPechkin> so the same question for meego)
Apr 08 14:58:14 <koupsa> Moblin can use qt like other linux
Apr 08 14:58:27 <postmanPechkin> qt for linux x11?
Apr 08 14:58:34 <lcuk> postmanPechkin, with the qt libraries (much like gtk libraries) you can create a desktop application for any of the supported principle platforms
Apr 08 14:59:07 <lcuk> however you may not get specific moblinisms or meegoisms or maemoisms until you wait for a specific devkit for that platform
Apr 08 15:03:53 <postmanPechkin> )
Apr 08 15:03:55 <CosmoHill> http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/owners-reviews/archive-review.aspx?review=8041&model=773&rid=1058&fuel=&transmission=&body= hmmm
Apr 08 15:03:56 <postmanPechkin> thnks
Apr 08 15:05:43 <koupsa> is  http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os down ?
Apr 08 15:06:07 <CosmoHill> yes
Apr 08 15:06:29 <koupsa> :/ oki thanks for confirm
Apr 08 15:13:06 <DawnFoster> We're moving some servers to OSU today. I think the repo is part of the move
Apr 08 15:14:12 <anaZ> there is a mirror at http://repo.moblin.org/MeeGo/, the repo server should come up once DNS changes have propagated
Apr 08 15:15:27 <koupsa> ok I wait to test my .ks file.. ??? will I change .ks file for new server ?
Apr 08 15:16:10 <anaZ> you can temporarily change… This mirror is kept up to date anyways :)
Apr 08 15:16:17 <anaZ> s/meego.com/moblin.org/
Apr 08 15:16:21 <anaZ> should do it
Apr 08 15:16:28 <anaZ> in your ks
Apr 08 15:36:06 <slaine> anaZ: Are the moblin.org repo's affected ?
Apr 08 15:36:21 <anaZ> affected how?
Apr 08 15:37:11 <slaine> I've a chap on #moblin having problems accessing any of the moblin repos
Apr 08 15:37:26 <slaine> his english isn't great though so probably not explaining things great
Apr 08 15:42:32 <anaZ> ok, looking
Apr 08 15:45:51 <slaine> anaZ: I'm reinstalling moblin 2.1 for my netbook and will give it a shot shortly
Apr 08 15:46:17 <drizztbsd> slaine: what about meego (aka moblin 2.2)/
Apr 08 15:47:37 <Stskeeps> hmm. is IEGD actually freely redistributable? (but closed)
Apr 08 15:48:40 * abogani waves
Apr 08 15:48:42 <arjan> Stskeeps: don't think it is
Apr 08 15:48:43 <abogani> I'm wondering on what libc is used in Meego, anyone know it?
Apr 08 15:48:59 <arjan> abogani: glibc 2.11
Apr 08 15:49:22 <arjan> Stskeeps: iegd is an embedded driver that's made for contract customers of the intel embedded group
Apr 08 15:49:26 <Stskeeps> arjan: because http://moblin.org/projects/2.1-ivi-project-releases says it is, which wonders me a bit
Apr 08 15:49:29 <Stskeeps> and other sources
Apr 08 15:49:42 <arjan> Stskeeps: that it may or may not work on non-embedded hardware .. pure accidental
Apr 08 15:50:09 <arjan> abogani: do you happen to have any requests or features you'd like to see in glibc ?
Apr 08 15:50:44 <Stskeeps> arjan: thanks for the answers
Apr 08 15:53:51 <slaine> drizztbsd: when there's something that runs I'll use it
Apr 08 15:55:26 * CosmoHill pokes _Sky_ 
Apr 08 15:56:06 <abogani> arjan: Thanks for answer. I'm a little disappointed of libc choice. I don't suppose that MeeGo follow Android road (which use a bsd  derived libc) but at least I think that you should use eglibc at least.
Apr 08 15:56:38 <CosmoHill> _Sky_: someone asked about putting the VDIs into the wiki
Apr 08 15:57:07 <_Sky_> hmm why not
Apr 08 15:57:55 <_Sky_> but who should do that :P ?
Apr 08 15:58:05 <Stskeeps> i'm still curious what eglibc adds to the mix, excepting governance
Apr 08 15:58:16 <CosmoHill> eglibc > glibc :)
Apr 08 15:58:32 <thiago> abogani: besides eglibc, which is a recent fork of glibc, there aren't many options
Apr 08 15:58:37 <thiago> the Android libc is crap. Really.
Apr 08 15:58:44 <thiago> broken pthreads, bad support for other things.
Apr 08 15:59:05 <CosmoHill> would eglibc be used for both x86 and ARM?
Apr 08 15:59:22 <Stskeeps> it's insane to have glibc on x86 and eglibc on arm :/
Apr 08 15:59:26 <slaine> it is on some distros
Apr 08 15:59:38 <lcuk> every distro has *isms
Apr 08 15:59:45 <slaine> uhuh
Apr 08 15:59:47 <thiago> eglibc's main point is to get away from Ulrich Drepper
Apr 08 16:00:02 <abogani> thiago: I know but as you already know sometimes _crappy_ software wins.
Apr 08 16:00:03 <slaine> thats as I understood it
Apr 08 16:00:05 <javispedro> poor guy, what has him done to you? ;)
Apr 08 16:00:18 <thiago> abogani: I *really* don't want the Android libc
Apr 08 16:00:30 <thiago> abogani: that one needs a couple of years of development before it's serious
Apr 08 16:00:45 <CosmoHill> I thought arm would have used a smaller libc like ulibc
Apr 08 16:01:11 <thiago> CosmoHill: that's not necessary
Apr 08 16:01:22 <thiago> the devices MeeGo is targetting can do a full glibc
Apr 08 16:01:29 <thiago> and apps benefit from the features
Apr 08 16:01:35 <CosmoHill> ah okay
Apr 08 16:01:46 <Myrtti> I vote for cheesecake
Apr 08 16:01:47 <thiago> and it's less porting work, when you take an app from the desktop
Apr 08 16:01:51 <abogani> thiago: That require a lot of storage.
Apr 08 16:01:55 <CosmoHill> then using egibc and glbic makes no sense
Apr 08 16:01:58 <CosmoHill> Myrtti: ++
Apr 08 16:02:00 <thiago> abogani: we've got plenty
Apr 08 16:02:16 <DawnFoster> I'm with Myrtti on this one
Apr 08 16:02:20 <DawnFoster> :)
Apr 08 16:02:28 <CosmoHill> I had cheesecake for my birthday :)
Apr 08 16:02:38 <thiago> it goes like this: Android libc < uclibc < (glibc == eglibc)
Apr 08 16:03:10 <CosmoHill> thiago: iirc CLFS moved from glibc to Eglibc because of the developers
Apr 08 16:03:14 <thiago> uclibc is established, so its limitations are know. Qt, for example, is known to work with it. (I don't know the rest of the Linux stack)
Apr 08 16:03:30 <abogani> CosmoHill: Debian and Ubuntu will do the same.
Apr 08 16:03:34 <thiago> the Android libc is a big unknown. It's not tested and it's not established. It would be a bad choice.
Apr 08 16:03:49 <thiago> as for glibc and eglibc, they're sharing code. The difference is Ulrich Drepper.
Apr 08 16:05:27 <abogani> Agreed that Android libc isn't a right solution but glibc is *very* fat, continuously under development, use GPL license and it is very difficult to reduce in size
Apr 08 16:06:38 <Stskeeps> on the other hand, a device with 128mb ram should be able to take glibc..
Apr 08 16:06:39 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 08 16:07:09 <thiago> abogani: you have two mistakes in your sentence.
Apr 08 16:07:14 <CosmoHill> I've just found out what the E stands for in eglibc
Apr 08 16:07:15 <thiago> abogani: factual mistakes
Apr 08 16:08:04 <thiago> also, you write "continuously under development" as a bad thing
Apr 08 16:08:09 <thiago> care to explain how that could be bad?
Apr 08 16:08:34 <CosmoHill> I think we should go with eglibc since we already use that on ARM
Apr 08 16:09:06 <CosmoHill> also using glibc might require some build changes to the RPM
Apr 08 16:09:06 <lcuk> im genuinely surprised Qglibc doesnt exist
Apr 08 16:09:24 <javispedro> klibc does :)
Apr 08 16:09:31 * lcuk facepalms lol
Apr 08 16:09:39 <thiago> Maemo 5 and 6 use glibc
Apr 08 16:09:55 <javispedro> is that a confirmation?
Apr 08 16:09:57 <thiago> and the one on Fremantle is sitting here at 1106576 bytes in size
Apr 08 16:10:09 <Stskeeps> glibc_2.5.1-1eglibc23+0m5.tar.gz
Apr 08 16:10:13 <Stskeeps> (fremantle)
Apr 08 16:10:25 <thiago> oh?
Apr 08 16:10:29 * thiago had never realised
Apr 08 16:10:50 <thiago> anyway, the ELF header is:
Apr 08 16:10:54 <thiago>   LOAD           0x000000 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x1168ec 0x1168ec R E 0x8000
Apr 08 16:10:54 <thiago>   LOAD           0x1176f8 0x0011f6f8 0x0011f6f8 0x00229c 0x004abc RW  0x8000
Apr 08 16:11:25 <thiago> so 0x1168ec (1.1 MB) of sharable code
Apr 08 16:11:38 <thiago> and 19kB of non-sharable
Apr 08 16:12:29 <thiago> is that fat?
Apr 08 16:12:31 <abogani> thiago: You are wrong: glibc require a *lot* of additional libraries.
Apr 08 16:13:06 <thiago> abogani: like?
Apr 08 16:13:10 <javispedro> uh?
Apr 08 16:13:14 <w00t_> lol
Apr 08 16:13:16 <thiago> name one.
Apr 08 16:13:29 <javispedro> seem weird a C library would require more libraries
Apr 08 16:13:47 <javispedro> (other than lib"os" or the like)
Apr 08 16:13:48 <thiago> btw, your other factual error was to say it's GPL
Apr 08 16:13:48 <CosmoHill> as far as i know any libc requires the kernel headers
Apr 08 16:13:51 <CosmoHill> that is it
Apr 08 16:13:53 <thiago> it's not. It's LGPL.
Apr 08 16:14:12 <abogani> thiago: NSS Sir. for start.
Apr 08 16:14:28 <CosmoHill> one moment
Apr 08 16:15:03 * javispedro watches cosmohill type rm -f /lib/*nss* /usr/lib/*nss* 
Apr 08 16:15:22 <thiago> well, yeah, it can *load* NSS modules
Apr 08 16:15:41 <CosmoHill> EGLIBC
Apr 08 16:15:41 <CosmoHill> Installation depends on: Bash, Binutils, Coreutils, Diffutils, Gawk, GCC, Gettext, Grep, Gzip, Make, Perl, Sed and Texinfo
Apr 08 16:15:44 <thiago> but I would say that's an advantage, to be able to add new ones like the mdns lookup from Avahi
Apr 08 16:15:55 <CosmoHill> done of those are libraries
Apr 08 16:16:10 <CosmoHill> (well gzip is but how else would you unpack it?)
Apr 08 16:16:18 <CosmoHill> none*
Apr 08 16:16:20 <lcuk> does that mean you have to get RMS at your house to personally compile glibc?
Apr 08 16:16:31 <Stskeeps> no emacs in dependencies?
Apr 08 16:16:56 <Myrtti> I can do with everything else, but RMS is too much
Apr 08 16:17:08 * CosmoHill writes six in roman numerals on Stskeeps
Apr 08 16:17:24 <slaine> anaZ: I can confirm the moblin repo problems
Apr 08 16:17:33 <lcuk> they tried removing him as a dependency, but could find no way to resolve his beard
Apr 08 16:17:54 <anaZ> slaine: fixing that now
Apr 08 16:17:59 <slaine> get a 403 when trying to get repomd.xml
Apr 08 16:18:06 <slaine> anaZ: ah, cool
Apr 08 16:18:27 <thiago> abogani: anyway, that also means the DNS resolver code (and libresolv) aren't loaded unless you do networking
Apr 08 16:19:06 <slaine> anaZ: and a 404 for the garage non-oss repo
Apr 08 16:20:05 <CosmoHill> that reminds me, I installed Flash 10.1 RC yesterday
Apr 08 16:20:18 <CosmoHill> It seems to run better than flash 10, uses less processing power
Apr 08 16:21:56 <slaine> it couldn't exactly use more now could it, seeing as it was already at 100% on most machines
Apr 08 16:22:17 <CosmoHill> now it's around 70~80%
Apr 08 16:22:18 <CosmoHill> i think
Apr 08 16:22:38 <CosmoHill> youtube keeps you nice and warm in the winter :)
Apr 08 16:23:36 <arjan> eglibc and glibc are the same code pretty much
Apr 08 16:23:47 <arjan> eglibc has the explicit goal to be glibc compatible
Apr 08 16:23:54 <arjan> so it pretty much has to be the same
Apr 08 16:23:57 <arjan> so... what's the point?
Apr 08 16:24:09 <arjan> (other than people not liking Ulrich and wanting to offend him)
Apr 08 16:24:18 <javispedro> arguing over useless things gives the appearance of real work.
Apr 08 16:25:04 <arjan> Ah the Waldo principle
Apr 08 16:25:19 <Stskeeps> thiago: btw, does Qt work with OpenVG as only backend (no GLES)
Apr 08 16:25:20 <Stskeeps> ?
Apr 08 16:25:31 <thiago> Stskeeps: yes, without GLES
Apr 08 16:25:37 <Stskeeps> hmm, interesting
Apr 08 16:25:40 <Stskeeps> i must try it out on my n8x0
Apr 08 16:25:43 <thiago> Stskeeps: I have no idea how it gets the context, but I'm assuming there's a way
Apr 08 16:25:57 <thiago> does the N810 have VG hardware
Apr 08 16:25:57 <CosmoHill> arjan: the developers listen better
Apr 08 16:25:58 <thiago> ?
Apr 08 16:26:07 <javispedro> Stskeeps: did you got driver to work in OpenVG? I didn't :(
Apr 08 16:26:18 <thiago> arjan: it's not that people don't like Ulrich...
Apr 08 16:26:18 <Stskeeps> javispedro: not sure, but i did test a demo once that worked, i think
Apr 08 16:26:26 <thiago> it's Ulrich that doesn't like anyone else
Apr 08 16:26:28 <Stskeeps> thiago: yes, MBX drivers got released some time back
Apr 08 16:26:30 <CosmoHill> I've been told that the glibc developers are kinda stubbon and won't listen to outsiders with regards to faults or patches
Apr 08 16:26:42 <thiago> CosmoHill: that's him
Apr 08 16:26:56 <javispedro> Stskeeps: oh, interesting. I would guess it has same problems as the gl libraries though :P
Apr 08 16:27:01 <CosmoHill> there's only one developer?
Apr 08 16:27:09 <Stskeeps> javispedro: well, if it will be rendering into a buffer anyway..?
Apr 08 16:27:13 <thiago> Stskeeps: that's not what I asked. I asked if it has *hardware*.
Apr 08 16:27:40 <thiago> Stskeeps: having the userspace code only means you can make VG calls. That doesn't mean those calls are HW-accelerated.
Apr 08 16:27:46 <javispedro> thiago: well, it has an MBX. Wherever that actually accelerates VG or not, dunno
Apr 08 16:27:50 <thiago> they could be emulated through GLES or rasterised.
Apr 08 16:28:08 <CosmoHill> meego is meant to be the same on ARM and x86 so why use different libc?
Apr 08 16:29:02 <thiago> it shouldn't use different libc, unless there's a good reason why one is better on one platform and the other isn't.
Apr 08 16:29:04 <arjan> thiago: interestingly I can work with Ulrich just fine
Apr 08 16:29:13 <arjan> he's just german, and need to work with him european style
Apr 08 16:29:37 <arjan> CosmoHill: how is 'developers listen better' useful if it's the same code anyway in the end
Apr 08 16:29:46 <slaine> anaZ: can you give me a nod when you think it's sorted so I can try ?
Apr 08 16:30:03 <slaine> Fresh moblin 2.1 install so need some updates before I can install my wl-kmod drivers
Apr 08 16:30:24 <CosmoHill> when we used glibc we had to apply patches to it to fix things or get it to compile correctly
Apr 08 16:30:30 <CosmoHill> with eglibc we don't
Apr 08 16:30:42 <slaine> CosmoHill: "we" being ??
Apr 08 16:30:45 <CosmoHill> CLFS
Apr 08 16:30:48 <slaine> right
Apr 08 16:31:39 <anaZ> slaine: will do
Apr 08 16:32:29 <abogani> CosmoHill: CLFS == Cross Linux From Scratch?
Apr 08 16:32:33 <CosmoHill> yes
Apr 08 16:32:47 <abogani> CosmoHill: Thanks and sorry for (my)  ignorance.
Apr 08 16:32:47 <suihkulokki> arjan: "european style" ...
Apr 08 16:33:36 <CosmoHill> abogani: tbh I'm a little surprised you know that
Apr 08 16:35:28 <slaine> anaZ: cheers
Apr 08 16:35:52 <slaine> CosmoHill: google's great ;)
Apr 08 16:36:05 <suihkulokki> you can't just bundle all of europe together.. and communication styles vary more between people inside countries than over borders
Apr 08 16:39:28 <CosmoHill> !      game.cpp
Apr 08 16:39:42 <CosmoHill> hehe, it's like SVN is shocked that a file has been deleted
Apr 08 16:48:46 <suihkulokki> arjan: the main reason for using eglibc in maemo is that it comes as part of codesourcery toolchains. and thus features early access to target specific optimisations.
Apr 08 16:51:18 <koupsa> meego 1.0 became meego 0.9
Apr 08 16:51:45 <Stskeeps> first release will be meego -1.0
Apr 08 16:51:48 <Stskeeps> (as in minus 1)
Apr 08 16:52:47 <javispedro> I will whoever removes sunrpc routines from eglibc. You have been warned!
Apr 08 16:52:53 <javispedro> *kill ;P
Apr 08 16:54:17 <Blessy> helo
Apr 08 16:54:25 <CosmoHill> hey ble
Apr 08 16:54:28 <CosmoHill> hey Blessy*
Apr 08 16:55:44 <koupsa> Stskeeps, I've just made a .ks meego iso and name is meego-0.90-meego-netbook-core-201004081753.iso... yesterday it was 1.0
Apr 08 16:55:53 <Stskeeps> :nod:
Apr 08 16:56:52 <CosmoHill> I think a few people would like it if the meego kernel supported virtualbox
Apr 08 16:57:20 <Stskeeps> it does though, if on a device that would support it anyway, doesn't it?
Apr 08 16:57:55 <CosmoHill> if meego would run natively on the host then it would run in a VM
Apr 08 16:57:57 <koupsa> CosmoHill, +1
Apr 08 16:58:06 <CosmoHill> but if it doesn't you can't test it at all
Apr 08 16:58:35 <CosmoHill> _sky_ make a vdi with a new kernel where the processor was set as an i586 instead of a pentium M
Apr 08 16:59:01 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: actually no,
Apr 08 16:59:16 <CosmoHill> I can run moblin on my laptop but when I tried meego in a VM it hung
Apr 08 16:59:24 <Stskeeps> hm
Apr 08 16:59:55 <koupsa> me tooo
Apr 08 17:01:10 <CosmoHill> Stskeeps: you can try his vdi if you'd like
Apr 08 17:02:09 <CosmoHill> wb
Apr 08 17:12:02 <b-man|laptop> jogglerspedro: LOL
Apr 08 17:12:06 <b-man|laptop> oh
Apr 08 17:12:13 <b-man|laptop> he left :P
Apr 08 17:15:01 <koupsaa> nice screen on 'firsboot' meego :)
Apr 08 17:16:06 <Stskeeps> xterm eh
Apr 08 17:16:06 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 08 17:16:25 <koupsaa> i like the little logo guy's. Have they a name? Meegoers?
Apr 08 17:17:14 <thiago_home> "dudes"
Apr 08 17:17:18 <thiago_home> :-P
Apr 08 17:17:23 <slaine> anaZ, some improvements, the garage stuff is now available, but the moblin stuff is still 403
Apr 08 17:17:25 <Myrtti> "bobbles"
Apr 08 17:17:26 <koupsaa> nono i va installed firstboot
Apr 08 17:17:33 <thiago_home> I also heard "characters"
Apr 08 17:17:58 <anaZ> slaine:  :) I will let you know as promised
Apr 08 17:17:59 <anaZ> :)
Apr 08 17:18:04 <slaine> hehe
Apr 08 17:18:13 <slaine> I've to head off actually
Apr 08 17:18:25 <slaine> So I'll check again tomorrow morning (Irish time)
Apr 08 17:18:37 <slaine> catch you all then
Apr 08 17:23:43 * CosmoHill grrs at his pointers
Apr 08 19:15:42 <vivijim> hi, I'm trying to install the meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg but I couldn't get a bootable usb stick with this image yet... I either mount locally or use the usb stick after "dd" the image to it...  what filesystem is that? how to use it properly in order to get meego installed?
Apr 08 19:17:07 <koupsa> is your cpu an atom
Apr 08 19:17:13 <vivijim> yes
Apr 08 19:18:55 <koupsa> works for me. any error message ?
Apr 08 19:19:56 <vivijim> koupsa: my doubt is about how to put the .usbimg in the usb stick... just that... if I don't have this working propertly I cannot boot and cannot install consequently...
Apr 08 19:20:53 <koupsa>  I just use dd
Apr 08 19:21:26 <vivijim> :(
Apr 08 19:21:30 <koupsa> dd bs=4096 if=meego-0.90-meego-niala-netbook-core-201004081753.iso of=/dev/sdb
Apr 08 19:21:57 <koupsa> change if=yourimage and of=/dev/yourusbdisk
Apr 08 19:22:03 <vivijim> koupsa: but after use dd could you mount the usb stick?
Apr 08 19:22:32 <koupsa> yes but its an squash
Apr 08 19:23:07 <koupsa> you can use your usbstick for boot
Apr 08 19:24:50 <lbt> http://repo.meego.com seemd to still be down...any ETA yet?
Apr 08 19:25:27 <anaZ> it is actually up, dns is taking too long
Apr 08 19:25:32 <koupsa> lbt, works for me
Apr 08 19:25:53 <anaZ> flush your dns cache :)
Apr 08 19:25:54 <lbt> OK, thanks...
Apr 08 19:26:57 <anaZ> or that...
Apr 08 19:26:57 <anaZ> http://140.211.166.227/
Apr 08 19:26:58 <lbt> yup - got it. Thanks Anaz
Apr 08 19:27:07 <lbt> hmm, where's /tools?
Apr 08 19:27:21 <lbt> looking for mic2 repo for debian
Apr 08 19:28:19 <arjan> anaZ: did we set DNS short before the move?
Apr 08 19:31:58 <vivijim> koupsa: now it worked here, thanks!
Apr 08 19:33:21 <koupsa> vivijim cool :)
Apr 08 20:39:34 <TSCHAKeee> wow, this is impressive
Apr 08 20:39:56 <TSCHAKeee> unplugged smartQ V7 from charger at 10 AM
Apr 08 20:39:57 <Cosmo[PB]> what was?
Apr 08 20:40:04 <TSCHAKeee> it is now 4:39 PM
Apr 08 20:40:11 <TSCHAKeee> battery is at 25% full
Apr 08 20:40:36 <TSCHAKeee> and this is running my orbiter software the entire time to control functions in this room.
Apr 08 20:40:37 <Cosmo[PB]> better than the PSP
Apr 08 20:40:44 <Cosmo[PB]> band new battery and it won't even charge
Apr 08 20:41:25 <Cosmo[PB]> I've done that where I've left my GPS on and it killed the battery
Apr 08 22:02:18 <lbt> hmm - so http://repo.meego.com/ still doesn't have /tools ...
Apr 08 22:05:36 <mstetson> Are there still repos available online for building images with mic based on Moblin 2.1?  The repodata under http://repo.moblin.org/moblin/releases/2.1 seems to have been removed.
Apr 08 22:08:31 <lbt> mstetson: yeah. They are doing a server shift today. However I think that data was purged before this.
Apr 08 22:09:22 <mstetson> So MeeGo's not ready for use, but the Moblin data's being removed?  Doesn't sound like a good plan to me.
Apr 08 22:10:13 <mstetson> On a similar note, the links on moblin.org to the 2.1 images are broken.
Apr 08 22:10:50 <lbt> It's my understanding that moblin is dead
Apr 08 22:11:16 <lbt> however I'm not in any way a spokesman.... try #moblin though?
Apr 08 22:11:24 <mstetson> It makes sense to shift focus, but why remove usable software before the replacement's ready.  I'll try on #moblin.
Apr 08 22:11:42 <lbt> completely agree - driving me nuts too :)
Apr 08 22:13:34 <arjan> various servers are moving today and potentially tomorrow
Apr 08 22:13:40 <arjan> don't read too much in what is or is not there right now
Apr 08 22:14:00 <mstetson> That's good news.  So I should be able to build Moblin 2.1 images in a couple of days?
Apr 08 22:15:40 <lbt> arjan: any news when /tools is back on http://repo.meego.com/
Apr 08 22:15:53 <lbt> as per http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation
Apr 08 22:17:12 <CosmoHill> I spoke to my friend who owns the server and he's happy to host the meego vdi
Apr 08 22:17:55 <lbt> CosmoHill: cheers, I'm looking for the tools at the minute
Apr 08 22:27:35 <lcuk> arjan, you are meant to give a jedi hand swipe when saying things like that
Apr 08 22:27:58 <lcuk> adds to the effect
Apr 08 22:29:04 <DawnFoster> "These are not the images you are looking for"
Apr 08 22:29:33 <lcuk> :D
Apr 08 22:29:44 <lcuk> hiya DawnFoster
Apr 08 22:29:54 <lcuk> its nearly weekend again :D
Apr 08 22:30:13 * lcuk is happy tonight to know that
Apr 08 22:30:18 <DawnFoster> hey lcuk.
Apr 08 22:30:32 <DawnFoster> we still have a way to go before the weekend here :)
Apr 08 22:31:11 <lcuk> yeah its thursday afternoon now for you isnt it?
Apr 08 22:31:40 <DawnFoster> yep. 3:30, so I'm still finishing up the Thursday work day.
Apr 08 22:31:51 <arjan> it sure feels like friday
Apr 08 22:32:01 <DawnFoster> yeah, I've had one of those weeks, too
Apr 08 22:32:58 <DawnFoster> I'm ready for that weekend :)
Apr 08 22:33:03 <lcuk> bleugh! snap
Apr 08 22:33:12 <lcuk> tho tonight has been for some reason uplifting
Apr 08 22:33:46 <CosmoHill> I've been thinking ti's tomorrow all week
Apr 08 22:33:53 <CosmoHill> so on tuesday i think it's wednesday
Apr 08 22:34:00 <lcuk> lol
Apr 08 22:34:13 <lcuk> how would i find a decent working large format multitouch device - the screen quality on this packard bell is letting it down
Apr 08 22:34:49 * lcuk would have gotten a hp, but the only ones in shop were amd
Apr 08 22:35:20 * TSCHAKeee has a JooJoo on backorder
Apr 08 22:35:34 <lcuk> that sounds painful
Apr 08 22:38:55 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee, that joojoo has ~same specs as my x41
Apr 08 22:39:00 <lcuk> apart from touch tech
Apr 08 22:39:38 <TSCHAKeee> i'm really only concerned about a well designed slate
Apr 08 22:39:42 <TSCHAKeee> so that I can do UI research work
Apr 08 22:40:02 * TSCHAKeee is rather pissed that only Apple seems to give a shit about whole system design
Apr 08 22:40:57 <lbt> TSCHAKeee: just mailed you
Apr 08 22:41:40 <lcuk> TSCHAKeee, been researching for a while ;) http://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG
Apr 09 00:11:03 <andli> hello!
Apr 09 00:12:17 <CosmoHill> hi
Apr 09 00:48:52 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 09 02:56:41 <b-man_fedora> chatting from my N900 booted into Fedora :)))))
Apr 09 02:57:25 <b-man_fedora> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=601109#post601109 :)
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