**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 09 02:59:56 2010 Apr 09 03:05:55 DawnFoster: how many stickers did you get? if I don't get one next week, I'll throw all my toys out my pram Apr 09 03:09:05 * microlith hopes the schedules come together and he can get to san francisco next thursday Apr 09 03:31:50 myrtti - I have 500 :) Apr 09 03:32:12 will you be at the collabsummit? Apr 09 03:51:58 DawnFoster: yup, also trying to poke the upper echelons for CELF Apr 09 03:53:05 I'm really fretty about the public transport though. Sunnyvale to SF by a US public transport n00b... Apr 09 03:56:31 will be great to meet you in person! Apr 09 04:00:41 likewise :-) Apr 09 04:03:59 /l/win 81 Apr 09 05:46:55 Myrtti, ah, cool, I'll be there too. Apr 09 05:48:06 morn GAN900 Apr 09 05:49:18 * GAN900 is playing "Damn, I feel asleep on the couch at 8 PM. . . ." Apr 09 05:49:45 hi Apr 09 08:17:52 TSCHAKeee: ping... pm me a phone # please Apr 09 11:17:29 talk.maemo.org down? Apr 09 11:20:00 timing out for me Apr 09 11:20:15 works here Apr 09 11:20:18 now it's working again Apr 09 13:39:59 hi Apr 09 13:40:00 all Apr 09 13:40:25 can i set up meego on my system ? Apr 09 13:44:06 i have no objections Apr 09 13:44:52 any one here Apr 09 13:56:48 i tried following the wiki to build meego livecd on fedora 11 , but here is the error i get Apr 09 13:56:50 usr/bin/isohybrid: cannot open -partok: No such file or directory Apr 09 13:56:50 Error: failed to create image : Hybrid ISO creation failed! Apr 09 15:02:50 We have MeeGo stickers now. I'm going to bring them to the CollabSummit next week. http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/4505576032/ Apr 09 15:03:44 * w00t_ wants one :< Apr 09 15:05:28 I'd rather have a netbook install I could use :) Apr 09 15:05:45 * Stskeeps glances at the powervr driver in meego kernel Apr 09 15:05:46 well you can at least put a sticker on it :) Apr 09 15:05:55 i wonder if it could deal with psb too Apr 09 15:05:56 slaine: where are your priorities?!? Apr 09 15:07:02 DawnFoster: as a user its in having the moblin 2.2 release available. I'm had a more usable developers build of meego back in february than I do now. Apr 09 15:07:13 the stickers lack ____ areas MeeGo_____ : MeeGoBowling MeeGoOut MeeGoHiking MeeGoDriving ;) Apr 09 15:07:14 s/I'm/I Apr 09 15:07:28 w00t: we'll have more for people who aren't going to be at the CollabSummit for other other events. Apr 09 15:07:34 Stskeeps: you mean the moorsetown one ? Apr 09 15:08:01 yeah Apr 09 15:08:16 that's actually mostly the 2D output part that is NOT powervr :) Apr 09 15:08:20 and then some minor glue Apr 09 15:08:27 :nod: Apr 09 15:08:50 I've actually got an advantech panel pc here that uses the psb chipset too Apr 09 15:08:58 Other fun sticker would be *Powered by MeEgo* :) Apr 09 15:09:12 slaine: mrst != psb Apr 09 15:09:20 nod, I know Apr 09 15:09:38 * slaine is hoping we'll see some nice mrst devices at the IDF Apr 09 15:13:07 ping ajan Apr 09 15:13:15 ping arjan Apr 09 15:13:16 anaZ: repo's where all fine this morning (as I'm sure you know already) but thanks for sorting it Apr 09 15:13:34 Got Moblin 2.1 back up and running again on my mini9 Apr 09 15:13:42 amjad: hi Apr 09 15:14:18 ok did you see my issues with creating meego iso using mic Apr 09 15:14:53 usr/bin/isohybrid: cannot open -partok: No such file or directory Apr 09 15:14:53 Error: failed to create image : Hybrid ISO creation failed! Apr 09 15:15:00 there have been a slew of emails so not sure Apr 09 15:15:05 what OS are you doing this on? Apr 09 15:15:07 this on Fedora 11 Apr 09 15:15:21 does mic have issues with Fedora 11?? Apr 09 15:15:32 not sure, I think our fedora using friends in the mic team use 12 Apr 09 15:15:44 * arjan is using moblin/meego for the last year for things like this Apr 09 15:15:48 dogfood and all Apr 09 15:16:09 ok Apr 09 15:16:59 if it can be made to work, great, but MIC does need some minimum versions of components Apr 09 16:46:31 can anyone guide me, how to set up meego ? Apr 09 16:47:15 arm or x86? Apr 09 16:47:23 x86 Apr 09 16:47:26 (please don't take my question as a "yes") Apr 09 16:47:46 what processor do you have? Apr 09 16:48:06 x86 machine intel 2.5 Apr 09 16:48:48 do you have a spare 512MB or bigger usb memory stick? Apr 09 16:51:51 yh Apr 09 16:51:58 i gt mem Apr 09 16:53:49 i think it's basically Apr 09 16:54:05 dd if=/path/to/meego.usbimg of=/dev/disk99 Apr 09 16:54:11 where disk99 is your memory stick Apr 09 16:54:32 hi frnd Apr 09 16:54:37 i m new to meego stuff Apr 09 16:54:40 rather i know nothing Apr 09 16:54:51 i just think its maemo cum moblin Apr 09 16:54:54 i hv maemo Apr 09 16:55:01 now i want meego on my laptop Apr 09 16:55:08 so that i can develop something on it Apr 09 16:55:51 like a GUI application? Apr 09 16:57:00 yeh Apr 09 16:57:04 in n out Apr 09 16:57:23 I think you might want to get Qt Creator then Apr 09 16:57:30 since meego will use Qt Apr 09 16:57:34 yeh ryt Apr 09 16:57:44 Stskeeps: please let me know if I'm talking out of my arse Apr 09 16:58:19 sorry Apr 09 16:58:29 what ? Apr 09 16:58:41 * TSCHAKeee facepalms Apr 09 16:58:46 rsadhu: don't worry about the last thing i said Apr 09 16:58:53 * DocScrutinizer bbl after fan replacement Apr 09 17:02:55 actually cosmohill what i wanna is set up the environment for meego like maemo , but i m nt sure is it open yet or not? Apr 09 17:03:06 an SDK? Apr 09 17:03:11 yeh Apr 09 17:03:20 pippin: have you any idea whom (inside intel uk) might have told me not to 'merge' public git branches, but just re-base them ? Apr 09 17:07:39 intel UK based in cambridge? Apr 09 17:15:49 Stickers . . . I still need to find a maemo.org one. Apr 09 17:16:27 mmeeks: dunno neither why nor whom, but my guess for the latter would be young bradford Apr 09 17:17:36 CosmoHill: I'm with Novell UK (Newmarket - just-me Office) ;-) Apr 09 17:17:51 oooo Apr 09 17:18:05 I'll look up Newmarket once my cd has finished importing Apr 09 17:19:56 I was close with the postcode Apr 09 17:20:53 CosmoHill: I am with Intel OTC in UK, EC3 Apr 09 18:02:31 * CosmoHill will be off soon Apr 09 18:03:59 <_Sky_> rsadhu: you might want to try out MIC2 (Meego Image Creator) , with it you can chroot inside the meego image and start developing on your pc Apr 09 18:04:26 <_Sky_> check out this: http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment Apr 09 18:08:40 peanutbutter jelly time Apr 09 18:08:58 thnks sky Apr 09 18:21:19 Right, time to head Apr 09 18:21:24 catch you all next week Apr 09 18:21:45 later slaine Apr 09 18:22:49 I wonder if there's any carpooling stuff going on for next week from south bay. I feel like banging my head on the keyboard several times over when I'm looking at 511.org Apr 09 18:25:32 Myrtti: I imagine that some people from the south bay would be making the drive. Public transit from south bay to SF kinda sucks. Apr 09 18:26:31 Once you get far enough north to catch bart, it's pretty easy from there. I take bart from the airport all the time. Apr 09 19:41:56 * GeneralAntilles needs to fill time Tuesday afternoon. . . . Apr 09 20:03:08 anaZ: ping... would there be any issues in talking to the OBS guys about a remoteurl to the meego builder? Apr 09 20:05:43 yes, there will be Apr 09 20:06:20 remoteurl is broken Apr 09 20:07:09 (why?) Apr 09 20:07:28 in what way anaZ. the main OBS doesn't seem to have a problem Apr 09 20:07:44 I heard you mention it on the conference call Apr 09 20:08:13 so you know why :) Apr 09 20:09:11 well, no Apr 09 20:09:16 you mentioned it was all Apr 09 20:09:29 it blocks the scheduler Apr 09 20:09:50 so why doesn't it do that on b.o.o Apr 09 20:10:11 it=? Apr 09 20:10:15 why do you mean Apr 09 20:10:37 b.o.o is not remotely linked to anything I guess Apr 09 20:10:47 no, I mean the other way around Apr 09 20:10:47 if you link to b.o.o you will notice it Apr 09 20:10:59 get b.o.o to remoteurl you Apr 09 20:11:17 so community people can build against Meego Apr 09 20:11:49 fine, but as I said, and the obs team acknowledged the issue, we will not do it until this is fixed Apr 09 20:11:56 noone wants to use build.meego.org to build against suse/fedora/ubuntu AFAIK Apr 09 20:12:38 OK, so asking adrian to setup MeeGo.com on *his* OBS will cause him problems.... which he will have to fix Apr 09 20:13:03 and there's no problem from a closedness PoV for MeeGo Apr 09 20:13:15 it will cause us problems as well Apr 09 20:13:32 now that I don't understand? Apr 09 20:13:40 on both sides Apr 09 20:13:53 since many other OBS instances link to the main opensuse OBS and it doesn't mind at all Apr 09 20:14:07 whenever a package is pulled from the origin, scheduler is blocked Apr 09 20:14:27 lbt probably you do not notice that because boo is always overloaded Apr 09 20:14:32 so you take it for granted Apr 09 20:14:51 OK, and the meego OBS can't cope with it? Apr 09 20:15:49 I notice it's fairly idle at the moment... and it usually is Apr 09 20:16:43 when the time is right and the bugs are fixed, we will do it Apr 09 20:17:19 Do you have a bug #? Apr 09 20:17:52 so we can track it and maybe even work on it? Apr 09 20:18:14 no I don;t Apr 09 20:18:28 OK, shall we start by reporting it then? Apr 09 20:20:50 as long as you are not reporting the bug against me, sure you can :) Apr 09 20:21:01 no, not against you :) Apr 09 20:21:15 I'd like to put you in as a cc of course Apr 09 20:21:54 summary : Local OBS scheduler blocks when a remote OBS instance pulls packages from local OBS Apr 09 20:22:14 incidentally, how do you know this? Apr 09 20:22:46 is it when you have setup OBSes to link against the moblin build service? Apr 09 20:24:19 just do trigger some traffic over the link and you will notice how the scheduler is blocked waiting for something to upload/download Apr 09 20:24:31 over a slow link, this is very bad Apr 09 20:24:50 I noticed that when a 400mb package was moved over to the other obs Apr 09 20:24:52 ah, so the public OBS isn't hit so bad because it's a fast link? Apr 09 20:24:59 build system was blocker for 1 hour Apr 09 20:25:08 blocked Apr 09 20:25:15 OK. Apr 09 20:27:48 anaZ: could you add yourself to : https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=595480 Apr 09 20:31:02 lbt: thanks for taking the time to file a bug report for it! Apr 09 20:31:45 np... hope we can get it fixed Apr 09 20:33:37 it is kinda essential in order to have a sane obs setup at companies and anyone :P Apr 09 20:34:39 I am rather surprised it's an issue. Since the public OBS is easily 100x bigger and has *lots* of remote links. OTOH it doesn't serve up 400Mb image files... Apr 09 20:35:08 I could comment on the wisdom of 400Mb packages.... Apr 09 20:35:15 but needs must Apr 09 20:35:44 could even be a dos angle i guess Apr 09 20:36:11 I also note that the Nokia internal OBS links against it without any issues Apr 09 20:37:24 but since the MeeGo OBS is not visible to many (any?) people outside Intel/Nokia... I dunno. Apr 09 20:37:34 434M chromium-5.0.355.0-4.4.src.rpm Apr 09 20:38:06 * lbt feels no need to withdraw his comment ;) Apr 09 20:38:31 and that was just how the bug was noticed Apr 09 20:38:41 you dont need 400Mb to block things Apr 09 20:38:52 10mb is enough over a busy link Apr 09 20:39:23 anaZ: I'm not doubting the bug Apr 09 20:39:31 this issue was acknowledged by Adrian and by mls Apr 09 20:39:53 i was told it is by design :) Apr 09 20:40:06 heh, we've both read the code... Apr 09 20:44:52 do you know actually if b.o.o is linking to something else? Apr 09 20:45:08 I'm not aware of any Apr 09 21:51:52 no b.o.o does no external links Apr 09 21:52:00 :) Apr 09 21:52:05 all local deployed Apr 09 21:52:16 policy? Apr 09 21:52:32 too Apr 09 21:52:32 or just the way it is until now? Apr 09 21:52:47 i think both Apr 09 21:55:14 but in HEAD download on demand is back again Apr 09 21:55:30 I saw that... Apr 09 21:55:46 btw, have you worked on the events much? Apr 09 21:55:54 but thats for released trees Apr 09 21:56:56 not much Apr 09 21:57:27 I was looking into them vs Hermes Apr 09 21:57:47 trying to get more detail from the /lastevents Apr 09 21:58:26 thats good, the current messages are too brief sometimes Apr 09 21:59:12 yeah, we want more for automation purposes too - running test suites etc Apr 09 21:59:56 hmm. one problem in that area is trying to get a tree/list of all the pkgs built as part of a single trigger event Apr 09 22:04:06 no idea atm Apr 09 22:04:37 osc st Apr 09 22:04:40 np, it's the weekend now... Joggler hacking Apr 09 22:04:53 lol - wrong window Apr 09 22:05:00 :) Apr 09 22:05:12 heh, mer has been invaded! Apr 09 22:05:33 the Joggler's going to be a decent meego device Apr 09 22:06:25 only available in UK, right ? Apr 09 22:07:09 yeah, but I've sent 2 to poland, 5 to germany, 2 to US Apr 09 22:07:46 hm - thats an idea ;) Apr 09 22:08:11 O2 won't sell me anymore but we can find someone to buy one for you if you like Apr 09 22:08:37 It's about £20 to ship it Apr 09 22:09:18 thats 40% of the device ... hehe Apr 09 22:09:34 lbt: are there proper graphics chip drivers? Apr 09 22:10:03 TSCHAKeee: there's work being done on the IEGD ones Apr 09 22:10:13 to ship it where? Apr 09 22:10:26 zs: germany Apr 09 22:10:40 lbt: what state are they in? Apr 09 22:11:05 * thiago_home needs to get some MeeGo devices Apr 09 22:11:15 and send the expense to Nokia Apr 09 22:11:30 there are meego devices? Apr 09 22:11:33 :) Apr 09 22:11:40 TSCHAKeee: not 100% sure... Stskeeps knows Apr 09 22:12:05 TSCHAKeee: we haven't released yet ;) Apr 09 22:12:11 there's moblin devices, and there's maemo devices Apr 09 22:12:12 TSCHAKeee: I think I can run MeeGo on most laptops and netbooks, so I should be able to claim anything as MeeGo device Apr 09 22:12:20 arjan: BAD ARJAN! RELEASE SOME STUFF! :P :) Apr 09 22:12:23 kidding Apr 09 22:12:46 * thiago_home already has all 3 maemo devices Apr 09 22:12:59 I came across a very early meego transitional build for my netbook that i am running Apr 09 22:13:01 or more. I have my N800 too. Apr 09 22:13:03 so when MeeGo will be released? Apr 09 22:13:03 the terminal window looks stunning on many different devices :) Apr 09 22:13:04 arjan: as far as you know will the joggler hardware be 'supported' (even if not officially) Apr 09 22:13:18 thiago_home: there are 4 devices ;) Apr 09 22:13:22 lbt: I have no idea; unless someone is really working on it ... it won't Apr 09 22:13:24 * TSCHAKeee has all the Maemo devices as well Apr 09 22:13:29 I've not seen anyone work on joggler Apr 09 22:13:32 zs: there are more. You just don't know about them :-) Apr 09 22:13:40 isn't the joggler just GMA500 ? Apr 09 22:13:42 zs: between cancelled and upcoming products. Apr 09 22:13:52 TSCHAKeee: not "just" Apr 09 22:13:59 see the -dev ml Apr 09 22:14:02 thiago_home: 770, n800, n810, n900 :P Apr 09 22:14:11 zs: N900++ and one more. Apr 09 22:14:20 n900++? Apr 09 22:14:27 for example, did you notice that there's a letter missing between Diablo and Fremantle? Apr 09 22:14:29 heck, we know the Joggler runs ubuntu really nicely... I'm sure Meego can step up ;) Apr 09 22:14:35 and another letter missing between Fremantle and Harmattan? Apr 09 22:14:42 zs: On release dates: MeeGo 1.0 in May. MeeGo 1.1 in October. 6 month cadence from there on Apr 09 22:14:51 the one between fremantle and harmattan was already used earlier as gregale... Apr 09 22:15:04 More details on releases in the minutes from this TSG meeting http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-03-24-19.58.html Apr 09 22:15:04 thiago_home: N810 WiMax? Apr 09 22:15:09 right, Gregale Apr 09 22:15:22 DawnFoster: thanks Apr 09 22:15:25 but the E is missing Apr 09 22:15:30 I heard it was Elephanta Apr 09 22:16:53 arjan: the kernel.spec file... Apr 09 22:17:00 anyway, there are some cancelled devices too (devices that were prototyped, but never released) Apr 09 22:17:08 how do I get it to build a kernel with my config? Apr 09 22:17:49 lbt: make your own config-foo that has your changes on top of the inheritance tree Apr 09 22:18:02 yep, seeing that Apr 09 22:18:25 do you want a whole new config? Apr 09 22:18:28 or just one or two changes Apr 09 22:18:31 the later is much easier Apr 09 22:18:39 meh, I have a config Apr 09 22:18:47 so I'd have to do a diff... Apr 09 22:18:52 see configdiff.pl Apr 09 22:18:58 'k Apr 09 22:19:38 i wonder if a pre-fremantel mer will run this smartQ Apr 09 22:19:53 (yes, I am _THAT_ chafed with SmartDevice's ubuntu) Apr 10 00:05:06 hmm Apr 10 00:05:16 yay scrollback Apr 10 00:37:25 silly question, is it possible to get Qt to render everything into an OpenGL ES context? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 10 02:59:57 2010