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Apr 10 08:04:55 <LuciusMare> hello
Apr 10 08:10:00 <pupnik> can i get something like a beagleboard with omap4430 or equivalent
Apr 10 08:12:33 <thiago_home> ask TI
Apr 10 08:12:35 <thiago_home> not us
Apr 10 08:18:33 <pupnik> i hope such things will be available for joe public soon
Apr 10 08:26:26 <thiago_home> again, if you want to buy hardware, contact the hardware vendor
Apr 10 08:48:26 <lbt> I'm looking at customising the kernel .spec file to use my own config and could do with some support (being a deb-head!)
Apr 10 08:48:38 <lbt> arjan: I got cut off last night during our chat - sorry.
Apr 10 08:49:14 <lbt> so I've got my desired config and configdiff.pl
Apr 10 08:50:20 <lbt> I see Source10[1234567]: lines for various config variations
Apr 10 08:50:40 <lbt> I want to just build my kernel though - not all the variants...
Apr 10 08:51:51 <thiago_home> it's 2 am in Portland now
Apr 10 08:52:26 <kunguz> does anyone use IEGD driver with Moblin?
Apr 10 08:53:01 <lbt> thiago_home: yeah it's a bit like that isn't it
Apr 10 09:07:13 <koupsaa> kunguz,, http://moblin.org/projects/2.1-ivi-project-releases
Apr 10 09:11:25 <kunguz> koupsaa: I got this problem with that version. It opens with a black screen. After I compile IEGD, I think somehow it is now using the primary screen. I couldn't figure out how to set xorg.conf
Apr 10 09:19:02 <koupsaa> kunguz sorry i have to go .
Apr 10 09:19:18 <cyberkonsult> hello, I messed up the bootble img (I spend time configuring a lot of stuff incl. chat firefox and whatnot)...and ..
Apr 10 09:20:28 <cyberkonsult> and to make thing fit, I linked the /usr/lib to another partition on the usb-memory, which..
Apr 10 09:21:34 <cyberkonsult> meh.. now the libblkid isn''t availible until after the mount of the said partition....
Apr 10 09:21:46 <cyberkonsult> libblkid.so ...
Apr 10 09:22:50 <cyberkonsult> how do pub that lib on the root partition again?? I'm not that familiar with dm_snapshot tech...
Apr 10 09:24:57 <cyberkonsult> short question, how do I mount the dm_snapshot.img , change the contents and save the img again ??
Apr 10 09:25:46 <cyberkonsult> changing the extfs.img does nothing, since the fs that is read is the dm_snapshot ??
Apr 10 09:39:12 <pupnik> could meego run on Samsung Moment?
Apr 10 10:41:57 <lbt> any reason the kernel config-generic is based on a 2.6.28 kernel for a 2.6.32.2 build?
Apr 10 10:42:11 <Stskeeps> x86 or arm?
Apr 10 10:44:07 <lbt> x86
Apr 10 10:44:49 <lbt> just working through the kernel.spec stuff and the various configs
Apr 10 10:45:38 <lbt> config-arm-generic is derived from it too
Apr 10 10:46:05 <Stskeeps> well, maybe it started as a 2.6.28 config
Apr 10 10:46:27 <lbt> it did .... but it doesn't have the 2.6.32 oldconfig updates
Apr 10 10:51:33 <lbt> so running config-generic through make oldconfig and picking the right (?) values gives a 1.6k line diff
Apr 10 11:11:15 <BorosMnak> Hi
Apr 10 11:11:25 <BorosMnak> any one here? i want to ask for help
Apr 10 11:12:04 <BorosMnak> i have downloaded meego for intel atom, but the file is .usbimg
Apr 10 11:12:17 <BorosMnak> what can i do to install it on my netbook ?
Apr 10 11:18:58 <glinpus> dd it to a bootable device such as an sd card or usb key
Apr 10 11:19:38 <glinpus> but from what I understand, the "install" doesn't do anything yet
Apr 10 11:40:49 <cotigao> hi
Apr 10 11:41:13 <cotigao> i am just a starter in maemo/meego
Apr 10 11:41:46 <cotigao> what would be the appropriate way to start?
Apr 10 11:41:58 <cotigao> though meego or maemo?
Apr 10 11:42:02 <cotigao> *through
Apr 10 11:42:05 <RST38h> You want maemo or meego?
Apr 10 11:42:27 <cotigao> RST38h, isnt it the same now?
Apr 10 11:42:31 <RST38h> If you want Maemo, it will be maemo.org, get SDK there, get a real device, etc
Apr 10 11:42:39 <RST38h> No, not the same right now
Apr 10 11:43:04 <RST38h> If you want MeeGo, get Moblin Developer Edition or whatever the netbook version is called
Apr 10 11:43:34 <cotigao> RST38h, i see...  thanks
Apr 10 12:24:26 <TurboVomit> hi
Apr 10 12:24:45 <TurboVomit> can we try meego?
Apr 10 12:25:16 <TurboVomit> how can we use the usbimg ?
Apr 10 12:25:52 <pupnik> have a n900?
Apr 10 12:26:17 <TurboVomit> no
Apr 10 12:26:22 <TurboVomit> i'd like to :)
Apr 10 12:26:46 <TurboVomit> but i tried moblin, and i really like it
Apr 10 12:27:16 <TurboVomit> even with no codec :-$
Apr 10 13:30:35 <deeman26> a
Apr 10 13:34:34 <Termana> b
Apr 10 13:50:37 <Rudran> hi
Apr 10 13:51:11 <Rudran> hi
Apr 10 13:51:23 <Rudran> chin chin
Apr 10 14:17:44 <lbt> arjan: ping
Apr 10 14:18:07 * thiago_home looks at the clock
Apr 10 14:18:16 <thiago_home> 7:18 in Portland
Apr 10 14:18:21 <lbt> he may have insomnia...
Apr 10 14:18:46 <lbt> and the kernel packaging is so ..... revolting
Apr 10 14:20:47 <lbt> I so hate wasting time figuring things out because other people don't bother documenting their code
Apr 10 14:21:18 <lbt> the biggest walls in opensource are the barriers to entry
Apr 10 14:37:41 <anaZ> what is not documented ?
Apr 10 14:40:14 <jensp> Hey there, I wanted to compile the meego fork of qemu, however, when compiling the gles-libs I noticed an error in the Makefile.
Apr 10 14:40:33 <jensp> In dgles2/Makefile on line 4 a file is included which doesn't exist
Apr 10 14:40:54 <jensp> so make always failes. Does anyone know where I can get the file?
Apr 10 14:46:25 <jensp> Oh, forget it, PEBCAK :)
Apr 10 14:55:38 <pupnik> http://www.bikudo.com/buy/details/602276/htc_desire_bravo_unlocked_usd222.html  would this be a candidate for meego?  (runs android)
Apr 10 14:57:23 <thiago_home> if HTC wants it, sure
Apr 10 16:55:25 <lbt> anaZ: not much just makespec.pl, ./IVI ./MRST, merge.pl, the config-* "diff/overide" files, configdiff.pl, kernel.spec.in, the additional @@<X> preprocessor
Apr 10 16:56:07 <lbt> and there's no README or overview. The 2.6.32 kernels are built using a 2.6.28 config baseline
Apr 10 16:57:02 <lbt> also the purpose of config-generic is unclear since it has hardware selections in it
Apr 10 16:57:11 <lbt> apart from that it's crystal clear. Didn't take more than 3 hours to do a make config ;)
Apr 10 16:57:53 <th0br0> Hello everyone; heya lbt.
Apr 10 16:58:27 <lbt> hi th0br0 ... was thinking about the lessons...
Apr 10 16:59:11 <lbt> we need to get a minimal virtualbox meego image ready and then go through using zypper/yum etc
Apr 10 16:59:36 <lbt> and then go through spec files building.. We could use the kernel.spec as an anti-example ;)
Apr 10 16:59:39 <Stskeeps> lessons?
Apr 10 17:00:14 <th0br0> I'm looking for the page, duh
Apr 10 17:00:38 <th0br0> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Packaging_FAD currently in planning.
Apr 10 17:00:44 <lbt> Stskeeps:  the fedora guys offered to run a spec/rpm tutorial for us
Apr 10 17:00:45 * Stskeeps looks
Apr 10 17:01:26 <lbt> just 'cos they're nice guys :)
Apr 10 17:01:43 <Stskeeps> or feel pity ;)
Apr 10 17:02:01 <Stskeeps> sounds good though
Apr 10 17:02:02 <lbt> at having to use rpm/spec....?
Apr 10 17:02:34 <Stskeeps> our horrid skill at it? :P
Apr 10 17:02:48 <th0br0> but yeah, i agree with you lbt. but right now, such an event would be a bit early i think.
Apr 10 17:03:05 <lbt> *nod*
Apr 10 17:03:11 <lbt> gives more prep time!
Apr 10 17:03:21 <suihkulokki> spec files seems reasonable except for the rpm macro parts
Apr 10 17:03:46 <Stskeeps> macros are a bit funky but dh_ is comparable :P
Apr 10 17:04:25 <lbt> I'm just glad that you know that whenever you see a % it's a macro
Apr 10 17:04:32 <lbt> oh, wait
Apr 10 17:04:35 <suihkulokki> Stskeeps: each of the dh_ have a well written manpage :)
Apr 10 17:04:43 <Stskeeps> true
Apr 10 17:07:05 <th0br0> dh_?
Apr 10 17:07:23 <lbt> th0br0: ah, the wonders of debhelper
Apr 10 17:07:32 <th0br0> ok..
Apr 10 17:09:34 <Terje> suihkulokki, dozens of man pages about small things do not help if somebody's trying to understand the whole.
Apr 10 17:13:31 <lbt> th0br0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Packaging_FAD#Coverage
Apr 10 17:15:00 <th0br0> sounds reasonable
Apr 10 17:24:34 <suihkulokki> Terje: the main debhelper manpage has overview, but perhaps the best way is to set DH_VERBOSE env variable to show all actions done
Apr 10 17:29:32 <suihkulokki> but my point is not to start a deb-rpm fight, but rather to get some to point me to guide explainen the macro language and howto trace spec macros when things go unexpected
Apr 10 18:52:19 <amjad> hello so i can not install firefox 3.5.7 from meego-extra repo on my meego previewe chroot cause of system-bookmarks dependency errors
Apr 10 20:09:31 <TurboVomit> did meego work on eeepc 701?
Apr 10 20:09:49 <TurboVomit> or is it only for arm and atom?
Apr 10 20:10:02 <CosmoHill> isn't the eeepc atom?
Apr 10 20:10:13 <TurboVomit> the eeepc 701 is not
Apr 10 20:10:22 <TurboVomit> moblin don't work on eeepc 701
Apr 10 20:10:29 <CosmoHill> does it's processor have SSSE3?
Apr 10 20:10:33 <TSCHAKeee> nope
Apr 10 20:10:37 <TSCHAKeee> not even close
Apr 10 20:10:41 <TurboVomit> i don't know sorry
Apr 10 20:10:42 <TSCHAKeee> it's a mobile celeron
Apr 10 20:10:53 <TurboVomit> yes that's it !
Apr 10 20:10:54 <TSCHAKeee> cranked waaaay down
Apr 10 20:10:56 <CosmoHill> then you would require a new kernel for meego to work
Apr 10 20:11:11 <TurboVomit> that's sad
Apr 10 20:11:24 <TSCHAKeee> welcome to the first gen bite
Apr 10 20:11:27 <TurboVomit> i always dreamed about moblin on eeepc701
Apr 10 20:11:42 <TurboVomit> eeepc 701 and his 7'' screen :)
Apr 10 20:11:52 <TSCHAKeee> why when you can get a new eeePC that's more powerful
Apr 10 20:11:55 <TSCHAKeee> for less
Apr 10 20:12:04 <TurboVomit> moi got a 1008HA
Apr 10 20:12:30 <TurboVomit> 1,6 Ghz woohoo
Apr 10 20:12:39 <TurboVomit> moblin work great on this
Apr 10 20:15:40 <TurboVomit> 701 got limitation
Apr 10 20:16:03 <TurboVomit> good to see if an os can run on slow configuration
Apr 10 20:16:40 <TurboVomit> like puppy linux
Apr 10 20:17:18 <CosmoHill> cos you could pet it?
Apr 10 20:17:40 <TurboVomit> because it's fast as death
Apr 10 20:17:57 <TurboVomit> even with 100mhz processor
Apr 10 20:18:13 <TurboVomit> even with 64 of ram
Apr 10 20:24:21 <TurboVomit> i hope meego will read mp3 ahahah
Apr 10 20:48:30 <TurboVomit> meego irc is not very fun
Apr 10 20:52:30 <lcuk> TurboVomit, what would make it fun
Apr 10 20:52:35 <lcuk> party streamers?
Apr 10 20:52:39 <lcuk> clowns?
Apr 10 20:52:46 <TurboVomit> yeah
Apr 10 20:52:52 <TurboVomit> i like clowns
Apr 10 20:52:59 * CosmoHill puts makeup on lcuk 
Apr 10 20:53:17 * lcuk throws a custard pie @ CosmoHill 
Apr 10 20:53:27 * CosmoHill opens his mouth and noms
Apr 10 20:53:50 <TurboVomit> amazing
Apr 10 20:53:50 * lcuk giggles because it was a chilly-custard pie
Apr 10 20:54:06 <lcuk> chilli *
Apr 10 20:54:16 * lcuk cannot smell
Apr 10 20:54:24 <leinir> omnomnom chili custard ;)
Apr 10 20:54:45 <lcuk> i see you cannot smell either
Apr 10 20:55:56 * CosmoHill runs around looking for water
Apr 10 20:56:19 * lcuk pours a bucket of water on CosmoHill 
Apr 10 20:56:27 * CosmoHill much better
Apr 10 20:56:54 <lcuk> shame it was frozen
Apr 10 20:56:55 <lcuk> sorry
Apr 10 21:12:47 * CosmoHill offers lcuk a sandwich
Apr 10 21:21:00 * lcuk eyes the sandwich sideways and offers it to b-man|laptop instead
Apr 10 21:50:36 <CosmoHill> You can't listen to dubstep on laptop speakers
Apr 10 21:51:09 <leinir> Hehe, no, no you can't :)
Apr 10 21:51:33 <leinir> Burial on a pair of tinny speakers like that would be sort of... meh ;)
Apr 10 21:51:48 <CosmoHill> I got a sub for my birthday
Apr 10 21:52:07 <leinir> Nicely :)
Apr 10 21:52:20 <leinir> My sound system's set up by my better half - he really knows what he's doing with that :)
Apr 10 21:52:22 <CosmoHill> watched a film today and you really noticed it :)
Apr 10 21:52:27 <leinir> *nodnods* :)
Apr 10 21:52:30 <CosmoHill> so I'm still tuning it
Apr 10 21:52:49 <CosmoHill> I'm learning :)
Apr 10 21:53:52 <CosmoHill> "Curiosity killed the cat...but for a while I was a suspect"
Apr 10 21:56:12 <lurkmeego> To every single person in here who has contributed with a line of code, documentation, a translated sentence or even a pixel of artwork. Thank You and I look forward to seeing where you take this project!
Apr 10 22:39:15 * GeneralAntilles is tired of pie-in-the-sky "open project" malarky when things clearly aren't even remotely close to that ideal.
Apr 10 22:39:26 * b-man|laptop hesitantly takes the sandwich from lcuk
Apr 10 23:51:16 <trip0> anyone working on a meego deb repo for testing on deb-based machines?
Apr 10 23:51:30 <trip0> specifically, ubuntu...
Apr 10 23:52:32 <CosmoHill> deb?
Apr 10 23:52:33 <CosmoHill> no
Apr 10 23:52:56 <CosmoHill> I can give you a VDI image of the meego usbimg if you'd like
Apr 11 00:03:17 <trip0> CosmoHill, i'd really only find the images useful if they had a gui sadly.  in the meantime, I can start deving apps and stuff using the framework on my desktop.
Apr 11 00:03:46 <trip0> which is why a deb repo would be useful, cuz i run ubuntu on my desktop ;)
Apr 11 00:04:19 <trip0> oh well, i suppose compiling from src isn't too bad :p
Apr 11 00:10:10 <_Sky_> trip0: consider using the chroot images and Xephyr(a window bases X-Server) as meego X server on you host system
Apr 11 00:10:44 <_Sky_> i have xfce running there, its in the meego package repo
Apr 11 00:10:54 <trip0> oh cool
Apr 11 00:11:24 <trip0> i guess the other reason is that my car system is ubuntu based as well... and i'd love to run meego stuff in it when the UI lands...
Apr 11 00:12:11 <_Sky_> there are plans to make additional apt packages
Apr 11 00:12:32 <trip0> that would be the awesome
Apr 11 00:12:53 <_Sky_> http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group
Apr 11 00:13:17 <trip0> hmm
Apr 11 00:13:26 <trip0> i should sign up for that group as well
Apr 11 00:14:21 <trip0> looks like we've got several already talented people in the group :)
Apr 11 00:15:28 <_Sky_> all packages are i586, so i guess they should work on a ubuntu system as well, but you may have problems with dependencies
Apr 11 00:16:23 <dsster> I'm wondering how they restrict n900 for when meego comes out? I mean it's just like installing debian and then re-installing ubuntu on the same device.
Apr 11 00:17:16 <_Sky_> most of the people of the group are from the maemo projekt ;) it looks like they want to keep their apt system :)
Apr 11 00:17:29 <trip0> heh
Apr 11 00:17:33 <trip0> that's fine with me :)
Apr 11 00:18:08 <trip0> that's what community is all about.
Apr 11 00:19:32 <_Sky_> ok, i had to take a second look, there aren't that many from the maemo projekt, most people there are debian developer or maintainer
Apr 11 00:19:51 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 11 00:19:58 <_Sky_> cya Cosmo
Apr 11 00:20:03 <trip0> bye
Apr 11 00:20:10 <CosmoHill> bye :)
Apr 11 00:21:50 <_Sky_> yum is a little bit slow, but its ok , the last time i used yum before trying out meego was several years ago and it was horrable :D
Apr 11 00:23:00 <_Sky_> very slow and very confusing search results
Apr 11 00:23:10 <_Sky_> today its very useful :)
Apr 11 00:24:30 <_Sky_> the only problem i have with apt-get is that i have to type too much :P
Apr 11 00:25:12 <trip0> lol
Apr 11 00:25:29 <_Sky_> you can't have everything ;)
Apr 11 00:26:28 <_Sky_> i should consider using bash aliases for apt :D
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