**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 12 02:59:56 2010 Apr 12 04:01:06 Hi all Apr 12 04:02:58 I have some problem when I try to create my Meego image. Apr 12 04:03:25 Error: failed to create image : Failed to find package 'fastinit' : No package(s) available to install Apr 12 04:03:56 I don't know how the fix it. Apr 12 05:56:41 http://forums.openice.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=776 Apr 12 07:02:05 morning Apr 12 07:03:08 morning Apr 12 07:04:06 Afternoon :) Apr 12 07:42:49 hi! Apr 12 07:43:19 i would like to know how to start to do translations en my language Apr 12 07:45:10 astur: look into the localization team Apr 12 07:45:43 thanks, but that's the problem, I don't find the link... :S Apr 12 07:49:43 wiki.meego.com Apr 12 08:31:45 Hi all. Apr 12 08:32:07 Could I create a Meego image on ubuntu 9.10? Apr 12 08:33:04 you should be able to Apr 12 08:33:41 steventao: there is a longer discussion about this on meego-dev Apr 12 08:33:58 add this to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://repo.meego.com/tools/repo/xUbuntu_9.10/ / Apr 12 08:34:23 then you should have package 'mic2' Apr 12 08:36:16 I got the mic2 Apr 12 08:36:39 but when I try to make the image Apr 12 08:36:52 Error: failed to create image : Failed to find package 'fastinit' : No package(s) available to install Apr 12 08:37:06 There are some error message Apr 12 08:37:11 I don't know why. Apr 12 08:37:22 sorry, haven't had time to test it yet myself :( Apr 12 08:38:19 That's fine. I am still trying it. Apr 12 08:42:35 steventao: great, let me know how it goes! Apr 12 08:42:51 I guess I have to struggle similar issues this week... Apr 12 08:50:47 Ha, I do what I can Apr 12 08:52:56 whats the user/password for the netbook core image , i have tried meego/(blank pass) , meego/password , meego/meego ,meego/moblin Apr 12 09:00:36 ahh , found it in comments , user is root and password is meego , brb going to try Apr 12 09:01:48 morning all Apr 12 09:46:17 Anybody knows IME of Meego ? Apr 12 09:46:24 What is the official IME Framework? Apr 12 09:46:29 in Meego Apr 12 09:46:47 IME? Apr 12 09:46:54 Input method engine Apr 12 09:47:06 i have no idea Apr 12 09:47:30 I think qt's light house might be one candidate Apr 12 09:47:46 but i am just guessing Apr 12 09:48:28 I found a duiimframework. but qt already has a many kind of ime support options. Apr 12 09:49:21 so... it's very confused. why did dui author makes duiimframework... Apr 12 10:01:39 exman: so... Apr 12 10:01:46 dui* isn't really the future Apr 12 10:02:09 what's mean? Apr 12 10:02:12 timeless_mbp, just the person :) Apr 12 10:02:14 the reason dui stuff was made is because dui needed to be made when the team was planning Apr 12 10:02:23 Qt is a base level toolkit Apr 12 10:02:43 QML at the time harmattan was being developed was not expected to be production ready in time for ship Apr 12 10:02:48 and certainly not in time to do dev work Apr 12 10:04:16 there was work by the symbian team on another similar toolkit Apr 12 10:04:30 however we didn't know about their work, their time table wasn't compatible w/ ours Apr 12 10:04:36 and their vision wasn't compatible w/ ours Apr 12 10:04:42 so we went ahead and made dui Apr 12 10:04:47 and then at some point, we lost Apr 12 10:04:58 fwiw, directui is not the first directui Apr 12 10:05:05 microsoft has been shipping a directui for a while :) Apr 12 10:05:22 i thought dui is main gui toolkit of Meego. isn't it? Apr 12 10:05:27 no Apr 12 10:05:30 Qt is the main toolkit Apr 12 10:05:39 what is directui? Apr 12 10:05:43 ...really Apr 12 10:05:44 dui is the toolkit that Nokia will be using for most of its apps Apr 12 10:06:00 Anss|: an accelerated toolkit built around the Qt framework Apr 12 10:06:05 with certain shiny bits Apr 12 10:06:11 at least, that's the theory Apr 12 10:06:19 Qt is interesting, but it has problems Apr 12 10:06:30 the Qt widget set is old, and hard to accelerate Apr 12 10:07:13 w/ Qt 4.something, they added better primitives for use with hardware that does graphics acceleration Apr 12 10:07:15 there also some references to direct ui from symbian side. Apr 12 10:07:21 yeah, um Apr 12 10:07:27 everyone picks 'directui' as a name Apr 12 10:07:31 see my reference to microsoft Apr 12 10:07:37 http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Prop/Direct_UI Apr 12 10:07:42 the harmattan team picked the directui name before the symbian team did Apr 12 10:07:48 so we won the right to use the name Apr 12 10:07:58 the symbian people got the name 'orbit' (?) instead Apr 12 10:08:10 and in addition, they won the right to have the winning/surviving toolkit of the future Apr 12 10:08:16 which is probably much more important/interesting Apr 12 10:08:20 for the implementation, direct ui as symbian context is more like paradigm Apr 12 10:08:44 anyway, anywhere you see symbian-directui, please read symbian-orbit Apr 12 10:08:49 it'll simplify your life Apr 12 10:08:55 (not much, but a little) Apr 12 10:09:07 * CosmoHill gives Tumi_ a poke Apr 12 10:09:10 timeless_mbp: Sounds like Nokia's internal team are taking gambles on future devices :P Apr 12 10:09:17 teams* Apr 12 10:09:24 Termana: and this surprises you because? Apr 12 10:09:40 there's a company in east asia which would assign 3 complete teams to make 3 competing products Apr 12 10:09:54 they'd go off, come back, the best one wins, and would be the only one to ship Apr 12 10:10:12 nokia only has the resources to do two teams, and we let both ship :) Apr 12 10:11:11 It's very useful information for me Apr 12 10:11:19 * timeless_mbp shrugs Apr 12 10:11:21 thanks timeless Apr 12 10:11:24 :) Apr 12 10:11:24 Nokia dropped qtopia, which would have been third. Apr 12 10:11:33 oh, qtopia is dead dead? Apr 12 10:11:39 dunno Apr 12 10:11:56 at least not shipped in device Apr 12 10:12:10 *afaik Apr 12 10:13:29 timeless_mbp: When you say they have the right to the winning toolkit, does that mean the Symbian team exclusively gets it or that the Symbian team just gets to use it? Apr 12 10:13:59 Termana: I would guess their design won the evolutionary contest and is selected for use across the board Apr 12 10:14:10 correct Apr 12 10:14:34 how precisely that will be implemented is still probably a bit up in the air Apr 12 10:14:43 it might be integrated into Qt Apr 12 10:14:50 or it might just be shipped "everywhere" Apr 12 10:16:08 is there really some new about this "competition"/winning toolkit. i think that is only a wild speculation. Apr 12 10:16:48 according gitorious directui is very active project Apr 12 10:17:05 Anyway... direct-ui is not a official meego gui toolkit. right ? so ... Will direct-ui be only used for symbian, not maemo? Apr 12 10:17:05 well, we're going to use it for harmattan Apr 12 10:17:20 exman: please reread Apr 12 10:17:27 symbian's toolkit is 'orbit' Apr 12 10:17:37 don't call it something else, you'll confuse everyone Apr 12 10:17:51 officially we do not encourage third parties to build on harmattan's dui Apr 12 10:17:51 sorry ^^; Apr 12 10:18:08 it's open source Apr 12 10:18:18 you can use it if you like, you can even submit patches Apr 12 10:18:33 and as long as management isn't busy retasking engineers, they'd probably take them Apr 12 10:18:43 but, officially we do not encourage people to use the toolkit Apr 12 10:18:57 the people working on the toolkit are of course proud of the toolkit and would like others to use it Apr 12 10:19:04 but that's an engineering level thing Apr 12 10:19:16 has anyone here done on-device debugging on the N900? Apr 12 10:19:24 every parent is proud of their baby, no matter how unloved it is otherwise Apr 12 10:20:11 btw latest blog of NG widgets used term MVC, that reminded me about directui. Apr 12 10:20:30 model view controller has been a buzzword for um Apr 12 10:20:31 15 years? Apr 12 10:20:34 20? Apr 12 10:20:38 at least 15 Apr 12 10:20:43 * timeless_mbp remembers it from high school Apr 12 10:21:35 yep. At least microsoft used it a looong time a go. Apr 12 10:22:10 mfc always was mvc Apr 12 10:22:38 basically not bad idea. Apr 12 10:22:45 but in practice... Apr 12 10:23:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model–view–controller#Implementations_of_MVC_as_GUI_frameworks Apr 12 10:23:17 it is very challenging design pattern or some consider it even anti-pattern. Apr 12 10:23:33 andre: does strace count? I haven't managed to get gdb produce anything sensible from Qt linked binaries on N900 Apr 12 10:23:55 Bostik: no, I am talking about using gdbserver on the device Apr 12 10:24:00 andre: i've used it Apr 12 10:24:07 others on our team have too Apr 12 10:24:24 Bostik: I can set breakpoints, and use 'stepi', but 'step' fails Apr 12 10:25:06 timeless_mbp: so you could simply break at main and single-step? Apr 12 10:25:26 yes Apr 12 10:25:34 this is meego or maemo? Apr 12 10:25:43 because in maemo, there's the launcher which makes 'main' painful Apr 12 10:25:58 i think there are rumors of plans to do something similar for post maemo platforms Apr 12 10:26:08 timeless_mbp: plain Qt Gui app on maemo I suppose Apr 12 10:26:25 ok, so no maemo-launcher Apr 12 10:26:30 yeah, breaking at main can work Apr 12 10:26:36 timeless_mbp: I haven't seem a 'launcher' so far, Apr 12 10:26:52 i've probably seen sketches for one or two instead of impls Apr 12 10:27:01 i'm not looking, i like keeping my head in the sand Apr 12 10:27:04 timeless_mbp: yes, break work, and I can enter functions with 'stepi', but no with 'step' Apr 12 10:27:07 this stuff is always disgusting Apr 12 10:27:18 andre: info shar Apr 12 10:27:27 you need to get symbols happy on the gdb side Apr 12 10:27:35 typically you're missing symlinks Apr 12 10:27:43 timeless_mbp: what version of gdb were you using? ah... Apr 12 10:29:45 um… right now? i use crash reporters instead Apr 12 10:29:47 and mxr's Apr 12 10:29:51 (or bonsai's) Apr 12 10:30:01 gdb's are for other people :) Apr 12 10:30:07 i tend to use 6.8 self built iirc Apr 12 10:30:13 but you can use pretty much anything Apr 12 10:30:59 timeless_mbp: ok.. mis-matching debug symbols might be my problem. looks like gdb sets a breakpoint 8 bytes before a bit of code that's actually executed afterwards. Apr 12 11:14:08 timeless, i have a one more question. how about gtk apps in meego? is it okay in meego ? Apr 12 11:15:13 yes Apr 12 11:16:09 Qt based app is recommanded, and gtk apps also okay. Apr 12 11:16:11 right ? Apr 12 11:16:15 yes Apr 12 11:16:51 hamattan ui apps also okay Apr 12 11:16:56 right ? Apr 12 11:17:49 what's different between X-based PC Linux distros and Meego ? Apr 12 11:19:21 dammit, I made two false commits >.< Apr 12 11:20:03 actually my question started from what's the official IME framework? :-) Apr 12 11:22:05 i thought meego has officals in many part of GUI framework. (e.g - IME, Toolkit... packaging (related .desktop files or short cut in desktop)) Apr 12 11:27:16 exman: There's nothing special about meego in that it is just another linux distro Apr 12 11:28:09 However, the details of how it's different from distro X is somewhat like "how long is a piece of string" Apr 12 11:28:14 hey slaine Apr 12 11:28:19 Hey Apr 12 11:28:34 I started my prorgramming assignment again and it's going very well Apr 12 11:28:35 :D Apr 12 11:29:57 hmm.. thanks~ siaine Apr 12 11:31:10 * CosmoHill tests his program on linux Apr 12 11:31:37 my server has a stricter version of gcc than my laptop Apr 12 11:31:55 CosmoHill, What kind of s/w do you coding for meego? Apr 12 11:32:28 CosmoHill: that's a nice thing about gcc, it gets stricter as it grows Apr 12 11:33:42 slaine, do you know about pyqt or pyside? Apr 12 11:33:54 nope Apr 12 11:34:36 exman: none Apr 12 11:35:46 nate@blue[1019]:~/trunk2 $ gcc --version Apr 12 11:35:46 gcc (GCC) 4.2.4 Apr 12 11:35:58 laptop: powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5370) Apr 12 12:39:56 i have filed my first meego bug :) Apr 12 12:43:06 congrats Apr 12 12:44:53 * CosmoHill wants for amjad to be assassinated Apr 12 12:44:57 *waits Apr 12 12:46:08 lol, CosmoHill, how many assasination attempts have you survived :) Apr 12 12:46:53 DawnFoster: hey Dawn. Will any of the MeeGo presentations from the collab summit later this week be made available online for us poor saps that can't make it ? Apr 12 12:46:57 the trick is to keep close to someone and then step quickly to the left when anyone goes for you Apr 12 12:48:00 bbl Apr 12 12:56:49 slaine: I am not sure if the Linux Foundation will be recording the Workgroup's presentations, I will ask Dawn in person on Thursday. Apr 12 12:57:31 maclaver: great, thanks Apr 12 13:00:21 have you guys check the dui gitorious lately? Apr 12 13:01:15 or should i say meegotouch Apr 12 13:14:47 slaine / maclaver - I'm not sure if they'll be recorded, but I'll try to find out. Apr 12 13:17:28 DawnFoster: We could ask the presenter to put the slides on the wiki in PDF format at least. Apr 12 13:18:23 good idea. Apr 12 13:20:22 some of my friends record lectures with a Dictaphone and listen to it later as they go through the slides Apr 12 13:20:38 maybe if it's not recorder someone could get it on a dictaphone Apr 12 13:25:03 so um Apr 12 13:25:15 i should probably note that my information is not necessarily accurate or current Apr 12 13:25:22 it's roughly 2 months old Apr 12 13:25:34 danielwilms: hey, "pong" Apr 12 13:26:55 timeless_mbp hey Apr 12 13:27:06 Does X work on the x86 netbook images yet ? Apr 12 13:31:47 danielwilms: so i left a tiny note in the wiki bit you asked me about Apr 12 13:31:53 but if you have more questions, now's a good time to ask Apr 12 13:32:12 timeless_mbp perfect, thanks...let me have a look Apr 12 13:41:52 timeless_mbp looks good, thanks a lot! Apr 12 13:46:40 timeless_mbp: what information isn't accurate? Apr 12 13:46:45 * w00t_ wonders if he missed something Apr 12 13:49:54 w00t_: I'd imagine it was related to earlier conversations on QML and DUI Apr 12 13:50:15 just a guess though Apr 12 13:50:25 lbt: you about ? Apr 12 13:50:59 slaine: yeah Apr 12 13:51:18 w00t_: you missed an internal email which i don't [want to] understand Apr 12 13:51:31 Heya ! Apr 12 13:51:46 since i don't [claim to] understand it, i can't comment more than to underscore that i don't officially know or understand anything about what happens anywhere :) Apr 12 13:51:55 heh Apr 12 13:52:07 * timeless_mbp underscores that a few more times for good measure Apr 12 13:52:53 timeless_mbp: I've been through a whole zoo of gdb versions now and none of them is able to step into a function. so either this never worked, or I am doing something conceptionally wrong. Apr 12 13:57:41 slaine: yes Apr 12 13:58:18 has anything further happened on the Repo WG ? Apr 12 13:58:40 no, I wanted to do some work on it this weekend but stuff happened Apr 12 13:58:55 maybe tonight :) Apr 12 13:59:00 yeah yeah Apr 12 13:59:06 What work are you looking to do on it ? Apr 12 13:59:23 Other than, "Give us access to OBS please" Apr 12 13:59:26 :) Apr 12 13:59:39 I think the TSG felt +ve enough that it's worth expanding Apr 12 13:59:54 it will include "how the f*ck are we supposed to build" :D Apr 12 14:00:48 there's still a firewall curtain in the way Apr 12 14:01:11 hopefully we'll get that big reveal at either IDF or Collab summit this week and we can at last move on Apr 12 14:01:18 more importantly there's a policy in the way Apr 12 14:02:13 The policy of doing things behind the curtain ? Apr 12 14:02:29 heh, no Apr 12 14:02:41 'cause that is an issue Apr 12 14:02:46 a policy of "none of those annoying end-users on our nice OBS" Apr 12 14:02:55 Oh that one Apr 12 14:03:00 yeah. that one Apr 12 14:03:01 andre: heh Apr 12 14:03:17 we have SSO now though... Apr 12 14:03:29 ==? Apr 12 14:03:54 so I can ask the CWG why I can't use SSO to logon to the OBS Apr 12 14:04:02 isn't the OBS a community resource then? Apr 12 14:04:06 is it private? Apr 12 14:04:13 how can that be? Apr 12 14:04:29 * lbt wonders if his english sarcasm is showing Apr 12 14:04:32 andre: so Apr 12 14:04:37 i asked oleg which gdb/gdbserver he's using Apr 12 14:04:38 lbt, quiet well :) Apr 12 14:04:47 the answer is he's using a gdb-cross build that *i* made for him :) Apr 12 14:05:00 DawnFoster: Actually is there a TSG meeting this wednesday too ? Apr 12 14:05:06 the gdbserver comes from our rd image Apr 12 14:05:09 I missed last weeks due to illness Apr 12 14:05:25 meeto Apr 12 14:08:10 is there a way to get yum to list the contents of a package from the repo data ? Apr 12 14:09:41 http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3084.html :) Apr 12 14:15:11 slaine yum info gives information of package Apr 12 14:15:57 I know, but not about the files that are in the rpm Apr 12 14:16:23 yum knows the info as I can give yum a file path and ask it what package provides it Apr 12 14:16:35 but I'd like to go the other way and look at what files a package provides Apr 12 14:18:49 rpm -ql Apr 12 14:19:04 or is this for a non-installed package? Apr 12 14:21:34 slaine : rpm can give files in package by rpm -qi --filesbypkg or rpm -qp --filesbypkg , i think -qi is for uninstalled package Apr 12 14:21:56 yes, I know guys Apr 12 14:22:03 I'm talking about non-installed packages Apr 12 14:24:57 slaine, afaik yum doesn't look into local package files, you'd need to do "rpm -qp bla.rpm" Apr 12 14:26:59 lol Apr 12 14:27:08 yes, non-local is what I'm talking about Apr 12 14:38:38 hi there, /usr/sbin/liveinst: No such file or directory Apr 12 14:38:45 when booting the meego image, any idea? Apr 12 14:39:16 yum install installer arauho Apr 12 14:39:25 not sure it works yet though Apr 12 14:39:35 from the usbimg or the vdi? Apr 12 14:39:42 it didn't when I tried last week Apr 12 14:39:43 mm.. Apr 12 14:39:50 CosmoHill: usbimg .. Apr 12 14:39:52 arauho: it's not meant to be installed yet Apr 12 14:40:03 there's still more behind the scenes stuff going on Apr 12 14:40:10 slaine: any idea how to get x11 or a gui installed? Apr 12 14:40:20 CosmoHill: I've too little time to bother trying Apr 12 14:40:28 fair enough Apr 12 14:40:46 From what I can see, they don't want us using it properly until they're ready, hence the staggered releases Apr 12 14:40:47 I've not done any work since lunch so i should Apr 12 14:41:51 We had a more usable Meego build from the Moblin trunk repo prior to the move of servers etc. So I fail to see how we're worse off now unless for some non-technical reasons Apr 12 14:41:59 slaine: well, I have seen it might take soem effort to get X properly working here Apr 12 14:42:43 So, who is actually going to be in SF? Apr 12 14:43:01 slaine: CosmoHill so, none of you guys have tried to get it installed? Apr 12 14:43:17 Given that Intel are hosting an IDF in Beijing over the next 2 days and we've got the Collab summit later this week, I have a feeling there's going to be a big reveal and then we'll get moving Apr 12 14:43:17 nope, I just got the live image to boot Apr 12 14:43:34 arauho: tried, didn't work out too well, gave up as I wanted a usable netbook Apr 12 14:43:50 slaine: heh, I understand .. Apr 12 14:44:35 * arauho will play a bit around this and see what he can do Apr 12 14:44:40 I'm sure I could have figured out what was wrong and how to make it work, but at the end of the day if it was going to take that much effort to get Xorg and an xterm up I didn't see the point Apr 12 15:00:50 what's it called when you have one class inside another Apr 12 15:01:10 and you create functions of the outter class to access the functions of the inner class? Apr 12 15:01:15 for* Apr 12 15:01:44 pimpl? Apr 12 15:06:20 * CosmoHill looks it up Apr 12 15:10:52 at the moment I have something like this: Apr 12 15:10:52 bool locationClass::delItem(int itemID) Apr 12 15:10:52 { Apr 12 15:10:52 return locationItems.delItem(itemID); Apr 12 15:10:52 } Apr 12 15:11:33 locationItems is a class instance inside the locationClass Apr 12 15:14:32 CosmoHill: poor design ? Apr 12 15:14:37 * slaine ducks Apr 12 15:15:04 for all i know it could be Apr 12 15:15:37 inventory has a linked list of items Apr 12 15:15:45 locations has a inventory Apr 12 15:15:58 and maps has a linked list of locations Apr 12 15:16:26 so would i need to make functions that head downways from maps to inventory? Apr 12 15:29:06 * CosmoHill goes ahead with these functions Apr 12 16:26:35 hi there Apr 12 16:27:17 I've got one question will it be possible to update moblin 2.1 to meego? Apr 12 16:30:23 I've one question will it be possible to update moblin 2.1 to meego? Apr 12 16:30:47 Noveel: Not likely, they're technically different OS's Apr 12 16:30:59 ok thx Apr 12 16:31:20 I'll be backing up my /home/glen dir to a sdhc card prior to doing a fresh install Apr 12 16:54:09 time for the commute Apr 12 16:54:14 catch you lot tomorrow Apr 12 20:19:42 anyone know what the plans are for putting meego on a phone? Apr 12 20:21:44 theirs a guide to putting meego onto an N900 Apr 12 20:21:51 there's Apr 12 20:24:01 and Nokia will make devices that run MeeGo Apr 12 20:24:05 shipped from the factory Apr 12 20:25:00 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM Apr 12 21:03:06 hi is there a release date for meego for the n900 out in the open? Apr 12 21:04:31 yes, two weeks ago Apr 12 21:05:18 I was thinking about the full release ready to use Apr 12 21:05:30 not some terminal Apr 12 21:05:30 as a real phone? Apr 12 21:05:32 or for devel Apr 12 21:05:40 as a real phone.. no idea if that will ever happen Apr 12 21:06:01 why do you have doubt Apr 12 21:06:03 ? Apr 12 21:06:20 cos of nokia Apr 12 21:06:21 I don't think nokia has announced that Apr 12 21:06:37 and I don't know if they even want to invest the $$ and people to make that happen Apr 12 21:06:58 there is a huge delta between having something for developers versus having something end user "drop in" Apr 12 21:07:28 so you think the next generation of mobil computers/phones will have meego but the n900 will not ? Apr 12 21:07:43 again I don't speak for nokia Apr 12 21:07:53 sure but i am asking you Apr 12 21:08:07 but if I were nokia (I am not) I would not make it a product thing, only for developers Apr 12 21:08:19 it is a LOT of work and takes a lot of time Apr 12 21:08:27 for... well, how many people would actually use it? Apr 12 21:08:39 (or better question, how many people would buy a phone only because of this) Apr 12 21:12:49 well if they really plan it to be the platform for mobile hardware Apr 12 21:13:33 its not only one phone we are talking about Apr 12 21:23:58 http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=470986#post470986 Apr 12 21:28:31 nite all, sweet dreams Apr 12 21:28:43 cyas trem Apr 12 23:04:23 interesting.... a lot of people here Apr 12 23:04:53 anyone here? Apr 12 23:05:06 * CosmoHill jumps on Irishgringo Apr 12 23:06:16 i'm doing iphone, but wanted to look at meego... so can I use a MAC to develop? Apr 12 23:07:44 you mean a GUI application? Apr 12 23:08:24 i mean any kind of applciation... I have a mac, and I want to DL an SDK for Moblin or something to try it out Apr 12 23:11:11 i think you could use Qt creater Apr 12 23:11:32 well, it looks like there is an SDK for the MAC... does it include a simulator? Apr 12 23:14:36 I'm a little confused about meego and your question Apr 12 23:15:15 the meego GUI will be done in Qt, you can download Qt Creator for mac Apr 12 23:17:12 I think Irishgringo is looking for something like this: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/library/documentation/Xcode/Conceptual/iphone_development/125-Using_iPhone_Simulator/iphone_simulator_application.html Apr 12 23:17:42 hmm Apr 12 23:17:53 We're still in the early phases of the project, so we don't really have something like this yet. Apr 12 23:17:54 i think Irishgringo wants the meego equiverlent Apr 12 23:18:01 well, I have been looking around the moblin and meego sites, looking for some SDK to download so that I can see what it looks like. Ideally, there will be some kind of simulator as well. I dont have a netbook or a nokia handset. Just a MAC, an Iphone and an iPAD. But I dont know what to do next to get started. Even a simple howto would be nice. doing something like the video on moblin... Apr 12 23:18:03 ...would be nice. Apr 12 23:18:25 DawnFoster: I'm i right in thinking that people could develop UI applications for meego using Qt creator? Apr 12 23:18:34 I do iPhone stuff all say... I am interested in testing Meego stuff... and I cant find a starting place. Apr 12 23:19:06 DawnFoster: No... I dont need that. I need the equiv for meego if there is one Apr 12 23:19:42 DawnFoster: i think your the one that setup the wiki? Apr 12 23:19:48 Irishgringo: I know - that was an example of what you needed, but for MeeGo. Apr 12 23:19:49 Irishgringo: right now, we're still developing the core MeeGo platform, so we don't quite have all of the components put together for application developers. Apr 12 23:20:15 should I come back next month? Apr 12 23:20:23 meego won't have a GUI until 1.1, correct? Apr 12 23:20:26 IrishGringo: exactly what I was going to suggest :) Apr 12 23:20:52 CosmoHill: we should have a GUI in the first release Apr 12 23:21:07 you have a lot of users in here... all contributors? Apr 12 23:21:21 I'll help out on the channel where I can Apr 12 23:21:30 we have some contributors and a lot of lurkers :) Apr 12 23:21:34 I'll learn what I can and then pass it on Apr 12 23:21:53 what about the moblin SDK? is that not an option? I forget if there is a MAC sdk, but I dont htink so. Apr 12 23:22:34 in linux you could chroot into meego and that would sort of give you a simulation Apr 12 23:22:37 Enough has changed between Moblin and MeeGo that you should probably wait rather than using the older SDK Apr 12 23:22:42 Irishgringo, what apps do you write on mac Apr 12 23:22:47 for mac and windows I think you'd need a virtual machine to run meego Apr 12 23:23:08 DawnFoster: btw a few of us would like virtualbox / vmware support in the meego kernel Apr 12 23:23:50 lcuk: iPhone and iPad... some telecom stuff and social networking stuff. I also do DRUPAL, and I was looking for some Kiosk solutions using ATOM processots Apr 12 23:24:32 ok, so very gui oriented Apr 12 23:24:47 CosmoHill: have we had that discussion in meego-dev, yet? Might be a good place for it - I don't remember seeing it. Apr 12 23:24:48 DawnFoster: so what is the prefered development platform? Apr 12 23:24:55 you had much success in appstore? Apr 12 23:25:17 DawnFoster: my brain mine explode from dealing with 6 channels at once but I'll give it a go tomorrow Apr 12 23:25:48 lcuk: for the kiosk yes... and DRUPAL is very FLASH friendly, iPhone NOT... so I was looking for alternative Kiosk OS. But there are a lot of linux distros to choose from Apr 12 23:26:20 flash sucks Apr 12 23:26:33 flash 10.1 is better but still a lot of processor useage Apr 12 23:26:48 flash works for people Apr 12 23:26:56