**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 16 03:00:02 2010 Apr 16 04:14:34 <_ToArtist_> Hi,who knows what's the develop Tools for meego,I want to develop meego App with Qt under windows,what's the develop Tool I can use??? Apr 16 04:16:09 proably madde Apr 16 04:21:13 <_ToArtist_> I don't have N900 phone,may I debug my App in madde?? Apr 16 04:26:34 meego runs on netbooks too Apr 16 04:29:02 <_ToArtist_> so good Apr 16 04:29:45 <_ToArtist_> so I can install it in VMware? Apr 16 04:30:26 I don't know if it works in vmware Apr 16 04:35:47 <_ToArtist_> o,thanks ShadowJk.Now my problom is I want to explant my app from windows desktop to phone,I want to find the best tools in the future Apr 16 04:36:38 <_ToArtist_> next month I should complete it Apr 16 04:38:10 <_ToArtist_> as you said,I want to use QtCreator + MADDE+ vmware, test for maemo and meego Apr 16 05:02:23 go for the hat trick and use virtualbox Apr 16 05:02:33 open tools! Apr 16 05:33:29 <_ToArtist_> ok,virtualbox Apr 16 06:18:15 where the heck is netbook repe?? Apr 16 06:18:18 err repo Apr 16 07:24:56 hello Apr 16 07:25:00 lo Apr 16 07:25:21 is my netbook hp mini 1000 mie good to go Apr 16 07:26:01 is my netbook hp mini 1000 mie good to go Apr 16 07:26:56 anyone Apr 16 07:27:29 not sure, give some hardware specs? Apr 16 07:28:01 try it from a usb stick? Apr 16 07:28:04 or mmc Apr 16 07:28:23 how Apr 16 07:29:36 stop that Apr 16 07:30:29 help Apr 16 07:31:10 ipodtouchfan: i'd wait for meego 1.0 or 1.1 Apr 16 07:31:18 anyone helps me i'll give greenpoison beta for debain (jailbreak) Apr 16 07:31:31 y Apr 16 07:31:35 wtf Apr 16 07:32:32 who needs to jailbreak their devices? ;) Apr 16 07:32:33 what Apr 16 07:33:18 just want to write meego to usb to try it Apr 16 07:34:51 ipodtouchfan: currently it only shows a console login, so not much fun Apr 16 07:35:43 well when realise Apr 16 07:36:33 may-ish Apr 16 07:36:48 see ya this isn't the os for me as of yet Apr 16 07:38:28 urgh, those people. Apr 16 07:39:49 page closed... haha Apr 16 08:14:19 it appears that meego doesn't have hal Apr 16 08:14:44 like ubuntu won't either Apr 16 08:19:48 Is there a "MeeGo Gotchas - so you thought this would be easier" page anywhere? Apr 16 08:20:15 not yet Apr 16 08:20:18 making one? Apr 16 08:20:20 ;) Apr 16 08:20:20 or "Now you know why it's called the bleeding edge" page ? Apr 16 08:20:46 nah OBS has this amazing Substitute: feature Apr 16 08:21:00 Substitute: hal-devel bash Apr 16 08:21:08 fixes all kinds of dependency issues Apr 16 08:21:13 what could go wrong Apr 16 08:22:46 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata - cool Apr 16 08:31:01 gah, what's the security FW called Apr 16 08:31:37 aegis Apr 16 08:31:52 not mentioned on the wiki or until slide 6/10 !! Apr 16 08:31:52 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-6-platform-security Apr 16 08:32:15 Manifest files are Aegis at least. Apr 16 08:34:29 http://wiki.meego.com/Gotchas Apr 16 08:47:08 lbt: was announced on 4 march by quim Apr 16 08:54:26 morning all Apr 16 09:03:22 Stskeeps: where? Apr 16 09:03:35 lbt: on meego-dev Apr 16 09:03:37 it was a 2-3 liner Apr 16 09:03:42 a search for sdk in email subject didn't turn it up Apr 16 09:04:08 [MeeGo-dev] meego-sdk list created Apr 16 09:05:25 oh, I just don't have that email then Apr 16 09:05:26 quim mentioned it the other day Apr 16 09:05:33 he did, I joined Apr 16 09:05:49 I should probably do that too Apr 16 09:06:10 slaine: http://blip.tv/file/3491206?filename=Stskeeps-Mer017testing11OnAJogglerWith3dAcceleration457.flv Apr 16 09:07:46 VERY nice Apr 16 09:07:47 well done Apr 16 09:13:20 slaine: now if only qt would behave.. Apr 16 09:19:33 Stskeeps: Think the MeeGo folks in general are going to have to look at that for GMA500? Apr 16 09:19:56 i have worries about gma500, but hopes that intel does the right thing and provides drivers for it in meego Apr 16 09:20:19 the gma500 is the powervr chip on bigger devices isnt it Apr 16 09:23:46 Stskeeps: ISTR arjan or greg-kh (or someone) saying GMA500 wouldn't be supported in MeeGo :-( Apr 16 09:24:09 Jaffa: well, it can be supported with IEGD for all i care :P Apr 16 09:26:22 I wonder if openpeak will be changing their HW design then? Apr 16 09:26:44 it's such a pity that GMA500 ended up the way it has Apr 16 09:26:47 since the openpeak device was one of the 5/6 shown on the slides Apr 16 09:26:52 it's such a nice capable chip on paper Apr 16 09:27:03 Stskeeps: IEGD build process looks horrible - http://www.nanoant.com/linux/compiling-kernel-iegd-10x-module-for-any-linux-distribution Apr 16 09:27:08 Or if you use 2 year old software. Apr 16 09:27:20 Jaffa: it isn't that bad in practice Apr 16 09:27:37 Jaffa: and that's not taking into account the Xorg 1.6 dependency on the ddx driver Apr 16 09:27:37 Stskeeps: But it's the Xorg which kills you? Apr 16 09:27:43 that too Apr 16 09:28:22 lbt, no it's fine for openpeak Apr 16 09:28:43 didn't openpeak want to go into meego too? Apr 16 09:28:53 Stskeeps: Do the Squeeze Xorg 1.6 packages from http://silicone.homelinux.org/2010/04/11/building-xserver-1-6-for-xorg-7-5/ work? Apr 16 09:29:06 Jaffa: hmm, didn't try Apr 16 09:29:22 Stskeeps: Oh, doh - I'm thinking still Debian based system (Mer/Ubuntu) rather than RPM; but git repo is probably handy either way Apr 16 09:29:35 * Stskeeps bookmarks Apr 16 09:30:27 Stskeeps, yeah but like, looking at the pretty pictures with boxes and arrows, MeeGo is fine with manufacturers taking MeeGo, adding binary blob drivers, making an image onto their device and calling it MeeGo.. so I think arjan's statement meant the base image isn't going to have GMA500 support Apr 16 09:30:33 since base MeeGo is supposed to be open? Apr 16 09:30:51 ShadowJK: that makes sense though Apr 16 09:30:53 Stskeeps: I like to think my Google-fu can add value :-) Apr 16 09:31:04 i really wouldn't mind just having a repo from intel with gma500 drivers Apr 16 09:31:09 that's fine with me Apr 16 09:31:36 Considering the pain in actually getting a hold of some of these powervr* drivers though :/ Apr 16 09:33:16 Stskeeps: Ditto; I want a shiny device running open apps and UI; I don't really care about the drivers as long as they're usable with the open components selected Apr 16 09:33:57 Stskeeps, i see you mer video ... very nice ! Apr 16 09:35:28 I'm sure the IVI version of meego will have to address this, as it's still the same hardware that intel provide as their IVI platform Apr 16 09:40:36 does anyone tell me where can i find the generic arm based meego rootfs? Apr 16 09:41:19 sri_: grab a n900 open one, quite close to bare Apr 16 09:42:14 stskeeps: you mean to say meego-codedrop-arm-n900-201003311626.tar.gz from http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/? Apr 16 09:42:22 yes Apr 16 09:42:48 why it is mentioned as codedrop if it is rootfs? Apr 16 09:43:10 marketing Apr 16 09:43:14 does it has X also? Apr 16 09:43:14 it is rootfs Apr 16 09:43:16 yes Apr 16 09:43:40 ok thanks... Apr 16 09:50:23 sri_: did you ever figure out your gles issues? Apr 16 09:56:05 no...no more looked into maemo Apr 16 09:56:14 now trying to bringup meego Apr 16 09:56:15 :) Apr 16 09:57:26 good direction :) Apr 16 10:09:15 anyone with a quick pointer as to what version of python do we have in meego ? Apr 16 10:11:23 2.6.4 it looks like in trunk Apr 16 10:11:59 * thiago realises that there's an @htc.com email on meego-dev Apr 16 10:12:15 yeah, same guy i kicked out the other day for not getting how to use a pastebin :P Apr 16 10:12:21 (he came back) Apr 16 10:12:47 lol Apr 16 10:13:44 Stskeeps: any ideas when this repo will be publicaly available ? Apr 16 10:13:44 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/netbook/repo/ia32/os//repodata/repomd.xml Apr 16 10:14:01 no idea sorry Apr 16 10:14:34 I'm trying to use, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/image-config/developer.ks with image-creator and it's depending on that repo Apr 16 10:14:40 Stskeeps: that rings a bell Apr 16 10:16:33 This bug says it is resolved , but netbook repo is not available, does intel/nokia people think only there employees can file bugs?? Apr 16 10:16:39 http://bugzilla.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=650 Apr 16 10:17:04 amjad: i am wondering at times too Apr 16 10:17:13 amjad: note it in the bug, i guess Apr 16 10:18:39 Stskeeps: thx Apr 16 10:24:34 stskeeps: what is the login name for meego release? Apr 16 10:24:40 sri_: root/meego Apr 16 10:27:11 I'd already logged a similar bug amjad Apr 16 10:27:13 thanks....how can i start x? when i give startx, its telling command not found Apr 16 10:27:49 Xorg & Apr 16 10:28:52 amjad: haha, we probably submitted that bug at the same time Apr 16 10:29:03 you just pipped me to the post as mine is 652 Apr 16 10:30:34 Ok, maybe someone can explain this to me. Apr 16 10:30:41 lol slaine Apr 16 10:30:57 How is it you can have an OPEN project that has bug reports that only certain people are AUTHORIZED to view Apr 16 10:31:14 Termana: don't start me off again Apr 16 10:31:17 Termana: security bugs is the normal policy, the rest is just $@% Apr 16 10:31:29 as meego.com seems to have intel hw related stuff too Apr 16 10:34:47 I can see the reasoning behind having security bugs closed off, just as long as there is a way to gain authorization to these bugs if someone wanted to (as long as the person had no malicious intent). Apr 16 10:35:08 But, I would take a guess and say this is not currently the case Apr 16 10:35:26 Based on the current state of openness Apr 16 10:35:51 there's some things that needs to be cleared up, yes Apr 16 11:02:46 have to head off early Apr 16 11:02:55 I'll probably be back on later tonight Apr 16 11:03:00 cy Apr 16 11:03:00 a Apr 16 11:03:02 laters Apr 16 12:06:41 have any of you gotten used-to this name yet? Apr 16 14:01:39 so um.... Apr 16 14:01:44 UI feature of the day... Apr 16 14:02:04 how many characters would people here use to represent the year two-thousand? Apr 16 14:03:36 timeless_mbp: two Apr 16 14:04:23 how? Apr 16 14:04:31 2k Apr 16 14:04:31 :P Apr 16 14:04:45 ok, how about the year "a space odyssey" ? Apr 16 14:06:18 ok, how many characters would people here use to represent the year two-thousand-and-one? Apr 16 14:09:25 4 Apr 16 14:09:29 thank you Apr 16 14:09:43 would you be surprised to hear that the clever people here decided to use 5 instead? Apr 16 14:10:01 5? the fuck? Apr 16 14:11:15 future proofing Apr 16 14:11:24 no, the first digit is a 2 Apr 16 14:11:24 signed? Apr 16 14:11:33 nope :) Apr 16 14:11:38 * thiago was thinking of MM Apr 16 14:11:58 you're not thinking inside the right wrong box! Apr 16 14:12:16 : ? Apr 16 14:12:36 * suihkulokki thinks timeless_mbp is ranting at the wrong forum Apr 16 14:12:54 nah, you guys will someday enjoy this ap Apr 16 14:13:11 we aren't shipping it for maemo5 :) Apr 16 14:13:17 timeless_mbp, dont some people/cultures/religions have odd date standards and we are in about the year 11000 or something Apr 16 14:14:01 lcuk: the year being represented is roughly MMI Apr 16 14:14:13 and it's using numbers which normal people would recognize Apr 16 14:14:42 then yes, its wrong Apr 16 14:14:54 you still haven't guessed how they presented it :) Apr 16 14:14:56 leinir, wouldnt signed years need 6 characters Apr 16 14:15:07 2001BC Apr 16 14:15:10 2003AD Apr 16 14:15:30 lcuk: Nah, that'd be culture specific - just need the sign :) Apr 16 14:16:25 come on guys Apr 16 14:16:33 i asked a different group and they figured it out fairly quickly Apr 16 14:16:48 timeless_mbp: Extra character to give it space Apr 16 14:16:54 timeless_mbp: So that it looks pretty Apr 16 14:17:03 Jaffa: "2,000" Apr 16 14:17:08 timeless_mbp: Oh FFS Apr 16 14:17:09 pretty … shitty Apr 16 14:17:09 offs Apr 16 14:17:09 yes Apr 16 14:17:19 DOUBLE facepalm Apr 16 14:17:44 timeless_mbp: I suddently wonder if our web app will do that if a year is shown standalone Apr 16 14:17:56 which web app? Apr 16 14:18:09 lol Apr 16 14:18:18 i must say, i was amazed by the number of bugs in this startup wizard-calendar-time picker stuff Apr 16 14:18:27 but i'm only going to share one bug today Apr 16 14:18:31 Today is Sweetmorn, the 33rd day of Discord in the YOLD 3176 Apr 16 14:18:35 that's enough to scare people for a week, or maybe even a month Apr 16 15:30:35 trigger:~ nate$ shitdown -h now Apr 16 15:30:35 -bash: shitdown: command not found Apr 16 15:30:37 <.< Apr 16 15:30:38 >.> Apr 16 15:30:44 shutdown? =.= Apr 16 15:30:49 indeed Apr 16 16:18:05 Running meego first time on a asus eee pc. Runs nicely! Apr 16 16:18:30 Zeikko: what model eee, out of interest? Apr 16 16:19:10 umm. 900, cant remember in more detail. But the newer one with Atom processor Apr 16 16:19:17 cool :) Apr 16 16:19:29 091 Apr 16 16:19:31 901 Apr 16 16:19:35 * TSCHAKeee2 is also running it on a 1005HA Apr 16 16:20:44 The WiFi is not working though. Apr 16 16:37:27 Zeikko: as in you got the login prompt ok ? Apr 16 16:49:50 slaine: yes, i could login perfectly Apr 16 17:19:22 тест Apr 16 17:19:24 test Apr 16 17:19:30 hello friends Apr 16 17:20:19 it's a hawk or some kind Apr 16 17:21:03 *of Apr 16 17:21:07 So what's all the channel spam about? Apr 16 17:21:21 what spam? Apr 16 17:21:57 AlexHawk going into some channel, going "join #meego" and then leaving.. Apr 16 17:22:04 Or is it just user error? Apr 16 17:22:21 well his first word was "test" Apr 16 17:22:29 so maybe user error Apr 16 17:22:32 Fair enough. Apr 16 17:24:10 I'm not sure which direction was worse, assuming it was spam, or assuming it was user error. :) Apr 16 17:24:40 you can teach susers Apr 16 17:24:44 users* Apr 16 17:25:37 either way you're here Apr 16 17:25:50 he prolly meant /join Apr 16 17:27:07 I am here, indeed. Though I don't have any atom-based handsets/netbooks/n9000s, sadly. Apr 16 17:27:26 nor do I Apr 16 17:29:27 mm, what else does it run on? Apr 16 17:29:49 armv5 and up Apr 16 17:30:15 and any x86 with SSSE3 Apr 16 17:30:54 note the "3" Apr 16 17:31:18 and the three 'S's Apr 16 17:31:43 and the E, too? Apr 16 17:31:59 i mean there is SSE3 and SSSE3 Apr 16 17:32:13 ah Apr 16 17:32:17 *facepalm* Apr 16 17:32:34 I didn't know there was a difference ether at first Apr 16 17:33:09 TSCHAKeee2: sorry :) Apr 16 17:33:13 I'd give moblin a go but I have an nvidia graphics card Apr 16 17:33:23 don't be Apr 16 17:33:26 ;) Apr 16 17:37:38 ah well, maybe when I have the disposable income Apr 16 17:38:42 disposable income? what's that? :p Apr 16 17:39:09 CosmoHill: when you win millions in lottery Apr 16 17:39:41 Or, you know, when you're not paying off the mistakes you spent the last four years making. Apr 16 17:40:02 that too Apr 16 17:40:06 university? Apr 16 17:40:09 Girlfriend. Apr 16 17:40:46 glad I never were into that girlfriend-thing Apr 16 17:41:02 hehe Apr 16 17:41:12 not to mention, my wife wouldn't like that Apr 16 17:52:17 girlfriend this is my wife Apr 16 17:52:21 girl: ex-wife? Apr 16 17:52:24 no no, current Apr 17 00:08:33 Sweet! I saw a shooting star! Apr 17 00:11:24 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 17 02:59:56 2010