**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 22 02:59:57 2010 Apr 22 08:18:12 http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4517519202_e1038a2e51.jpg Apr 22 08:18:16 ^ FREE HUGS! Apr 22 08:18:27 (yes, this is scaringily enough, meego related) Apr 22 08:18:38 lol Apr 22 08:18:51 Stskeeps: Mmmm....suggestive. Apr 22 08:20:44 Stskeeps, lol Apr 22 08:20:59 ah, it doesn't say "embarass us" Apr 22 08:21:26 I'll take the one on the left Apr 22 08:23:16 so the new meego UX form factor is a 30" eink card and willingness to hug! Apr 22 08:23:36 i'd take a good hug over a good UX. Apr 22 08:24:07 Yay free hugs! :) Apr 22 08:24:15 Best campaign ever :) Apr 22 08:43:19 meego netbook preview seems to hang on kernel bring up in vmware, anybody had any luck with virtualising it? Was attempting to have a peek (read being too lazy to boot it off a USB key). Apr 22 08:44:25 Stskeeps, can you find out if the hug group are going on a world tour lol :D Apr 22 09:04:46 Morning, all Apr 22 09:06:07 morning jaffa Apr 22 09:06:10 welcome home? Apr 22 09:06:54 fucking thread hijackers Apr 22 09:07:25 Stskeeps: meh. 8GB USB stick might mean playing with Mer 0.17 soon Apr 22 09:07:41 slaine: ah, yeah, that one bothered me a bit Apr 22 09:15:13 thread hijackers, top posters, people who don't snip, threading breakers.. Apr 22 09:16:27 zealots who insist on breaking conventions set down in top-posted threads and force bottom-posting at any cost... Apr 22 09:16:54 That sort of thing Apr 22 09:17:04 people who kill kittens Apr 22 09:17:24 That too Apr 22 09:17:38 I think 99% of tmo has been summed up in three sentences Apr 22 09:19:18 Some of the junk people have been posting there. Some idiot was posting either acting drunk or so drunk he couldn't help himself but be a douche Apr 22 09:19:59 Termana, but random drunks cause amusement! Apr 22 09:20:58 maybe sometimes. But that doesn't explain the n900 porn threads Apr 22 09:21:16 theres more? Apr 22 09:21:49 Theres a couple laying about I believe :\ Apr 22 09:22:08 as a community grows it emcompasses a wider scope of society and to some people porn is one of those things Apr 22 09:22:30 just like the car threads and dismantling hardware threads Apr 22 09:22:39 not enough moderation.. Apr 22 09:22:50 Right, no one said they can't discuss these things. But I think theres a line between discussing and talking junk Apr 22 09:22:59 indeed Apr 22 09:23:21 light hearted banter around most subjects is amusing Apr 22 09:23:38 the balanace is always shifting though Apr 22 09:24:43 * lcuk must learn to type one day soon Apr 22 09:24:46 balance Apr 22 09:25:08 heh didn't even see it till you mentioned it - you shouldn't of said anything :P Apr 22 09:25:35 have said* Apr 22 09:26:27 :D Apr 22 09:59:31 rage building Apr 22 10:00:11 slaine: Whats wrong pussy cat? Apr 22 10:00:16 WOAH WOAH WOAH Apr 22 10:00:36 more thread hijacking AFTER my original plee to stop Apr 22 10:00:57 townxelliot1glad you enjoyed that you tube vid Apr 22 10:01:09 townxelliot1: glad you enjoyed that you tube vid Apr 22 10:01:10 oops Apr 22 10:01:42 slaine: yes, it was v. funny Apr 22 10:02:14 slaine: You mean on the mailing list (the full openness thread)? Apr 22 10:02:15 slaine, that always happens Apr 22 10:02:27 I know Apr 22 10:02:30 slaine: sorry for hijacking, but doesn't the concept of subthread helps? Apr 22 10:02:31 the streisand effect :D Apr 22 10:02:35 it's such an important topic though Apr 22 10:02:54 slaine: and please don't CC:, I'm subscribed Apr 22 10:03:06 Jaffa: looks like you've had quite a journey, back safe and sound in the office/at home now? Apr 22 10:03:29 I'd appreciate it you some of you would chime in to keep the thread on topic Apr 22 10:03:45 Corsac: stupid reply-to rules Apr 22 10:03:45 you all bitch and moan about it here enough ;) Apr 22 10:03:56 Gibba! Apr 22 10:04:01 Gibba: Long time no speak! Apr 22 10:04:08 Jaffa: hello mate! Indeedy. Apr 22 10:04:22 Gibba: Yeah, just popping out. Wifey and kidlets want to go looking at rabbits. Not for pies, unfortunately. Apr 22 10:04:26 BBL Apr 22 10:04:46 Stskeeps: hmhm, there's no reply to in the mail, afaics. Here thunderbird “reply” replies to the list (as well as the reply-to-list feature) Apr 22 10:04:49 Alrighty, catch you later. I'm hanging out in here at the mo after my joggler order Apr 22 10:04:55 Stskeeps: but I guess what slaine used was a “reply all” Apr 22 10:05:13 Yes I did Apr 22 10:05:40 I'm not going to apologies for that if etiquette was already out the window Apr 22 10:06:03 I wasn't asking for an apology, I was just saying that next time you don't need to CC: me :) Apr 22 10:06:18 (now that you know that I'd prefer not have them, that's all) Apr 22 10:06:44 welcome back you hundreds of people Apr 22 10:07:03 sure, I'll make an effort not to do reply all Apr 22 10:07:09 to used to it from internal emails Apr 22 10:07:24 Gmail won't let you automatically reply just to the mailing list :P Reply just replies to the person, reply all replies to the person and the mailing list. I guess you can just remove the To: and just have it CC:'ed to the mailing list? Apr 22 10:07:33 (general question) Apr 22 10:18:34 no one know? :P Apr 22 11:02:50 am trying to create rootfs image using mic2 Apr 22 11:02:56 with this options Apr 22 11:03:08 sudo mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=fs --cache=mycache Apr 22 11:03:31 it is giving ImportError: No module named pykickstart.parser Apr 22 11:03:42 any idea what is the problem? Apr 22 11:04:30 install a fedora VM Apr 22 11:04:39 or install a package containing pykickstart Apr 22 11:07:03 am working in ubuntu Apr 22 11:07:17 yes, but mic2 needs some dependancies that are not yet in that distribution. Apr 22 11:07:20 as far as i know Apr 22 11:07:40 get a fedora vm, it helps things a lot :P Apr 22 11:07:56 pkg name is pykickstart is it Apr 22 11:07:56 ? Apr 22 11:09:49 it seems like this package doesn't exist in ubuntu Apr 22 11:10:43 Stskeeps: gah, I'm close to getting "osc build " running ... but I'm off on another task now. Apr 22 11:10:51 lbt: looking forward to it Apr 22 11:10:52 :P Apr 22 11:10:55 is anyone working on imaging? Apr 22 11:11:04 ie we could collaborate? Apr 22 11:12:03 lbt: there's one downside of osc build , need to have a obs to do it against Apr 22 11:12:11 ah, true... Apr 22 11:12:18 while mic2 would only need a rpm repo Apr 22 11:12:37 * lbt mutters darkly Apr 22 11:12:57 goes back to django Apr 22 11:15:17 fwiw, i'm starting to setup a git clone mxr for some maemo6 stuff Apr 22 11:15:29 it's temporarily @ mxr.moego.org/maemo6/ Apr 22 11:15:37 the indexing won't start until i convert it, i think Apr 22 11:16:49 if someone reminds me what i did to setup my moblin repo index, i can set up a new one for the meego 'day 1' repo Apr 22 11:21:47 what's wrong with gitorious? Apr 22 11:22:01 which is where all the rest of meego lives Apr 22 11:22:24 it's a cross-ref Apr 22 11:22:27 not a repo :P Apr 22 11:49:17 any python people here able to share tips on speeding up python, general or specific observations and brainstorming desired :) : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 Apr 22 12:26:09 stskeeps: i am not able to find the package fastinit in repo...getting the error as "Error: failed to create image : Failed to find package 'fastinit' : No package(s) available to install" Apr 22 12:26:18 what could be the reason? Apr 22 12:26:32 deepa: what is your command line? Apr 22 12:27:22 sudo mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=fs --cache=mycache Apr 22 12:27:44 and that package is specified in arm-n900.ks Apr 22 12:28:26 ok, you're missing -a armv5tel Apr 22 12:28:33 to point to the ARM version Apr 22 12:29:22 I assume -a tells mic which architecture to source for ? Apr 22 12:29:30 yes Apr 22 12:29:38 there's this stupid /ia32/ /arm/ seperation Apr 22 12:30:00 so it was trying to source ia32 packages from the /arm repo Apr 22 12:30:28 stskeeps: sudo mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=fs --cache=mycache -a armv5tel Apr 22 12:30:32 right Apr 22 12:30:34 is this sufficient Apr 22 12:30:36 yes Apr 22 12:33:35 Algum brasileiro? Apr 22 12:36:10 hi Apr 22 12:36:14 i need help Apr 22 12:59:52 so, since someone hacked android on to the iphone, who's making the first meego port? Apr 22 13:06:35 Stskeeps, http://instantcrickets.com/ Apr 22 13:07:27 Stskeeps, hasnt the primary reason for not trying to do iphone been screen resolution? Apr 22 13:07:40 "oh its too low, maemo/mer wont go to that happily" Apr 22 13:08:26 I think people have missed out on the fact that there ALREADY was Linux on iPhone a year before this. Its only because its now got the Android tag that its exciting Apr 22 13:08:32 with scalable ui now being designed into all apps in the os it becomes something feasible Apr 22 13:08:42 linux != windowing platform Apr 22 13:09:09 sure, seeing a console boot somewhere makes people w00p occasionally (meego ;)) Apr 22 13:09:29 but seeing the real fluid os running ontop would say linux was there Apr 22 13:56:11 stop flooding :) Apr 22 14:06:17 hi Apr 22 14:06:38 wello Apr 22 14:07:51 how do you do? Apr 22 14:08:05 good, glad work day is over Apr 22 14:08:25 me too) Apr 22 14:08:51 ahh, day off :) Apr 22 14:08:58 woke up 2 hours ago :) Apr 22 14:09:21 Jartza: where are you from? Apr 22 14:09:24 usa? Apr 22 14:09:27 finland Apr 22 14:10:14 so, you woke up in the middle of the day)) Apr 22 14:10:47 end of the working ady Apr 22 14:11:02 sa/ady/day) Apr 22 14:11:14 postmanPechkin: yeah, 3pm Apr 22 14:11:33 i'm from Moscow) Apr 22 14:13:01 Jartza: you free man) Apr 22 14:13:50 yeah, freelancer :) Apr 22 14:14:07 you bring us a note about boy, postman? Apr 22 14:14:59 :) Apr 22 14:22:50 Excellent, some insight into what's going on Apr 22 14:25:03 * w00t_ clicks Apr 22 14:26:26 that's good Apr 22 14:35:25 * postmanPechkin slaps rmrfchik around a bit with a large trout Apr 22 14:36:06 rmrfchick: Apr 22 14:36:14 ? Apr 22 14:36:26 (( Apr 22 14:36:32 ok Apr 22 15:01:28 sorry, i've a question. Apr 22 15:01:44 ask away postman pat Apr 22 15:01:46 err... postmanPechkin Apr 22 15:01:47 :P Apr 22 15:01:57 KA-CHING Apr 22 15:02:14 i installed Ubuntu and then Qt on it, Apr 22 15:03:06 but Qt don't built examples, or other "hello word" stuff.. Apr 22 15:04:02 did you install the -dev packages? Apr 22 15:04:11 the erroe: -I../../../QT/qt/include -I. -o main.o main.cpp Apr 22 15:04:11 make: g++: Apr 22 15:04:19 Command not found Apr 22 15:04:19 make: Leaving directory Apr 22 15:04:29 till-: no( Apr 22 15:04:38 postmanPechkin: You don't have g++ in your path Apr 22 15:04:42 where should i get it ? Apr 22 15:04:53 or you don't have it installed at all Apr 22 15:04:56 apt-get install build-essential Apr 22 15:05:32 and qt4-dev-tools Apr 22 15:05:33 or so Apr 22 15:05:58 i just installed Qt creator. Apr 22 15:06:08 should be a dependency Apr 22 15:09:41 postmanPechkin: I would try the command till- gave you - sudo apt-get install build-essential Apr 22 15:09:56 Hmmm, more revelations about meego appearing in the press Apr 22 15:09:57 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/meego-mobile-linux-will-also-do-laptops-and-desktops.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss&comments=1#comments-bar Apr 22 15:11:47 desktops.. really? are we going to throw all optimizations towards well, non-3ghz systems away? :P Apr 22 15:12:20 * Stskeeps ponders idly Apr 22 15:12:52 ok Apr 22 15:13:42 i could have understood "meego will run your kitchen sink" literally, but not metaphorically Apr 22 15:13:45 :P Apr 22 15:15:20 Stskeeps, my kitchen sink has a perfectly viable OS at the moment, but my cig lighter is lacking :D Apr 22 15:46:47 but where can i get a packages? Apr 22 15:47:00 repo.meego.com? Apr 22 15:47:12 no, for Qt? Apr 22 15:47:26 email seems to get stuck for 30mins in the meego.com mailer Apr 22 15:48:17 postmanPechkin: eg http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/i586/qt-4.6.1-12.1.i586.rpm Apr 22 15:54:47 ok, commute time Apr 22 16:16:02 anyone here on mibbit?\ Apr 22 16:17:58 Hi everyone Apr 22 16:18:21 hi Apr 22 16:19:25 I'd like to know if I can help by translating at least the meego website into french.... Apr 22 16:21:07 that would be helpful Apr 22 16:21:14 DawnFoster: poke Apr 22 16:21:24 how could I do that? Apr 22 16:21:28 hey cosmohill Apr 22 16:22:08 DawnFoster: i think you're the person that Anonymousfr would need to talk to about translating the meego website into french Apr 22 16:22:38 anonymousfr: all of the localisation conversations are happening in this mailing list http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-il10n Apr 22 16:22:59 right now, we're more focused on translating the product Apr 22 16:23:31 I don't think we've decided whether to translate the web pages, but the right place to ask is the mailing list Apr 22 16:23:37 thanks, CosmoHill :) Apr 22 16:23:50 * CosmoHill just likes to help :) Apr 22 16:23:55 ok I could do that too.... Apr 22 16:27:49 I don't know if anyone is interested but RHEL 6 Beta is out Apr 22 16:27:55 and free! Apr 22 17:02:13 * CosmoHill keeps getting DawnFantasy confused with DawnFoster Apr 22 17:03:15 ah Apr 22 17:03:20 oops, meant ha Apr 22 17:03:38 and you're both on freenode so you're in the same group of tabs Apr 22 17:04:03 also doesn't help that you both left at 17:58 Apr 22 17:57:25 25MB to download :o Apr 22 17:59:22 100%[====================================>] 4,150,891,556 225K/s in 5h 10m a Apr 22 17:59:29 ouch Apr 22 18:09:06 ah, glorious netjoins.. Apr 22 18:09:06 :P Apr 22 18:13:28 rawr!!! Apr 22 18:13:41 the check sums don't match and it took me 5 hours to download Apr 22 18:13:59 and my server doesn't have xz, bollocks Apr 22 18:14:42 xz? Apr 22 18:15:47 it replaced lmza Apr 22 18:15:59 hrm, have they really decided not to have another TSG meeting for a whole year? Apr 22 18:17:42 timeless_mbp, hey, open isn't any fun if it actually is. :P Apr 22 18:18:19 thanks stskeeps :) Apr 22 18:19:03 DawnFoster: regarding my proposal, I'm wondering if to take it on another angle - it does seem like that we're on the same page as the TSG as to how the project openness should be like. would there be a benefit developing into a wiki-style handbook that teams can pour their experiences into, use as a starting point for their public work .. and then when we engage people and have them out in the open, how we can tell them how to ... Apr 22 18:19:09 ... stay visible Apr 22 18:19:43 hi DawnFoster Apr 22 18:20:23 * timeless_mbp goes back to po backporting Apr 22 18:20:35 stskeeps I'm not sure. I think it's more a matter of figuring out when stuff can move into the open and less of people not knowing how. Apr 22 18:21:03 DawnFoster: :nod: i guess project structure comes first before we can say anything about how people work Apr 22 18:21:07 maybe it's different at Nokia, but most of the people at Intel are active contributors to mulitple open source projects and certainly know how to do this. Apr 22 18:21:18 exactly Apr 22 18:21:47 timeless_mbp: what are you back porting? Apr 22 18:21:47 well, maemo devices are too, for that matter, except it isn't obvious until you start reading doorsigns there :) Apr 22 18:22:14 * lcuk2 carefully notes every door in NRC Apr 22 18:22:40 * lcuk then plans to avoid everyone Apr 22 18:23:02 every one Apr 22 18:23:27 DawnFoster: otoh, it is also a matter of providing same tools as exists on the inside - like, it's 'easy' to use the internal pastebins, or internal git hosts and so on Apr 22 18:23:48 lcuk: National Republican Convention? =E Apr 22 18:24:00 it's easy to slip and go back to your typical working pattern, so Apr 22 18:24:54 but that's my point. On the Intel side, this isn't really typical. Most of these guys are kernel contributors or other open source projects, so they are used to this. Apr 22 18:25:11 :nod: Apr 22 18:25:16 I really think this is a transition issue, not an education issue (speaking on Intel's side) Apr 22 18:25:27 * VDVsx waves at RST38h :D Apr 22 18:25:27 CosmoHill: i'm dancing between maemo5 pr1.1* and maemo5 pr1.2 Apr 22 18:25:35 we'll get the rest of those tools out Apr 22 18:25:39 i hope it's a transition issue too - what worried me was that people had same impressions of moblin work for instance Apr 22 18:25:40 Heya, VDVsx Apr 22 18:25:47 i live in 1.2 land, but my changes apply to 1.1*, and i'd like to be able to give them to people in 1.1 land Apr 22 18:25:52 57.6Mb/s, not good :( Apr 22 18:26:02 I'm encouraging people to move conversations to the open if at all possible Apr 22 18:26:07 :nod: Apr 22 18:26:22 * Stskeeps does believe that TSG and you and quim are doing your best to encourage things Apr 22 18:26:29 mmmm, pr1.2... :) Apr 22 18:27:05 pr1.2 isn't that a myth ? Apr 22 18:27:08 * VDVsx hides Apr 22 18:27:12 ;) Apr 22 18:27:20 VDVsx: everyone quit after the rpm vs deb choice? Apr 22 18:27:21 :P Apr 22 18:27:34 oh crap Apr 22 18:27:36 I ran out of space :( Apr 22 18:28:14 Stskeeps, fremantle still uses deb, so no reason for that, I guess :D Apr 22 18:28:27 Hehe, i've only got 43.8MB left on my / ;) Apr 22 18:28:41 pr1.2 was delayed whilst we help VDVsx move house Apr 22 18:29:02 lcuk, agree with that Apr 22 18:29:14 still have need so help Apr 22 18:29:19 those ikea flatpacks are difficult Apr 22 18:29:23 *still need so.. Apr 22 18:29:34 VDVsx, house warming party :) Apr 22 18:29:38 bring your own screwdriver Apr 22 18:29:42 heheeh Apr 22 18:30:06 lcuk: they're cheap, not difficult Apr 22 18:31:51 CosmoHill, its flying that screwdriver 2000 miles that more difficult ;) Apr 22 18:32:15 hah yes Apr 22 18:34:48 hi, i used command SUDO, but qt still isn't working( Apr 22 18:35:00 :o Apr 22 18:35:14 Qt has nothing to do with sudo Apr 22 18:35:28 sudo is bad and should be avoided Apr 22 18:35:46 well it's not bad but most people i know use it instead of actually fixing the permissions Apr 22 18:35:51 except sudo gainroot :-) Apr 22 18:36:03 i am newbie in linux. Apr 22 18:36:10 okay Apr 22 18:36:16 how to set qt creator work? Apr 22 18:36:18 if you have to use the sudo command, think about it Apr 22 18:36:29 postmanPechkin: how about you tell us what you were trying to accomplish? Apr 22 18:36:30 to install software you'd need sudo, probably Apr 22 18:36:33 to run it you don't Apr 22 18:36:40 postmanPechkin, can you click run button (play icon) in ct creator doofer editor thing? Apr 22 18:36:46 most people dont need the console do they? Apr 22 18:36:59 * lcuk sodu chops CosmoHill Apr 22 18:37:11 the way I've used linux for the last few years I've used CLI Apr 22 18:37:15 * CosmoHill sudo kicks lcuk Apr 22 18:37:31 or were you saying "sod you cosmo"? Apr 22 18:38:10 CosmoHill, i come from windows, the play button is ingrained and should work everywhere Apr 22 18:38:23 dammit Apr 22 18:38:32 washing machines and irons and other electrical equipment i barely understand should have them too :D Apr 22 18:38:37 my server is topping out at 57.6Mb/s over SFTP Apr 22 18:38:45 i installend Qt, and it works, but stuff like "hello world" don't compilled, Apr 22 18:39:01 -I../../../QT/qt/include -I. -o main.o main.cpp Apr 22 18:39:01 make: g++: Command not found Apr 22 18:39:01 make: Leaving directory Apr 22 18:39:04 postmanPechkin, what does it say when you try Apr 22 18:39:05 how did you install Qt? Apr 22 18:39:11 oh Apr 22 18:39:16 you don't have gcc installed Apr 22 18:39:16 wheres that from and how did you install qt Apr 22 18:39:25 postmanPechkin: gcc --version Apr 22 18:39:27 you need a compiler before you can compile Apr 22 18:40:10 thiago_home, :D tracy is getting me lego men - she saw my twit yesterday about it and ebayed for me Apr 22 18:40:28 the red one? Apr 22 18:40:39 yeah and yellow and blue and black and white i think :D Apr 22 18:40:58 you're getting a rainbow of lego men Apr 22 18:41:01 a whole rainbow set :D im gonna have em dancing on my monitor Apr 22 18:41:47 heh CosmoHill Apr 22 18:42:05 * lcuk is reminded of the intel space men adverts :D Apr 22 18:42:24 part of me wants a new server Apr 22 18:42:35 but i know it will be faster than my desktop Apr 22 18:42:42 desktop??? Apr 22 18:42:50 * arjan hasn't had a desktop computer in.. like 8 years Apr 22 18:42:54 portable + server ftw Apr 22 18:42:57 i downloaded it from site and (i don't know how.. started it to install with installation master) Apr 22 18:43:14 arjan: I don't use it to much now, mostly videos Apr 22 18:44:00 * thiago_home has a workstation in the office so he can connect two 22" monitors Apr 22 18:44:11 3360x1050 ftw :-) Apr 22 18:44:22 ;) Apr 22 18:44:34 thiago_home, 20" is better. ;) Apr 22 18:44:46 my next workstation will have a graphics card with four ports Apr 22 18:44:54 * TSCHAKee wants 4 monitor action Apr 22 18:44:59 :D Apr 22 18:45:10 Ridiculously overpowered desktop + N900 is the way to go. Apr 22 18:45:15 * GAN900 is currently at 4. Apr 22 18:45:24 * VDVsx has 24" :D Apr 22 18:45:30 my friend has one monitor via HDMI on his laptop and another via a USB adapter Apr 22 18:45:51 * CosmoHill has a 20" Dell Apr 22 18:46:00 there is something called 16:9!!!! Apr 22 18:46:02 how can i recognaze if i have a compiler? i thought in Ubuntu 9.10 compiler is integrated... Apr 22 18:46:14 * CosmoHill is mildly annoyed having to watch TV and DVDs at 16:10 Apr 22 18:46:16 postmanPechkin: apt-get install build-essential Apr 22 18:46:31 * VDVsx tried a 30" dell today, insane :D Apr 22 18:46:36 Semi-recent: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3981783507/ Apr 22 18:46:39 with sudo infront Apr 22 18:46:44 I tried a 27" iMac Apr 22 18:46:52 VDVsx, 2x 30" is really unworkable. Apr 22 18:46:55 never before have i had to move my head that much to use a computer Apr 22 18:46:59 TSCHAKEee: i did it. Apr 22 18:47:12 postmanPechkin: now type "gcc --version" Apr 22 18:47:19 I'd do a 30" with two portrait 20"s on either side, though. Apr 22 18:47:34 GAN900, if you sit 5 m from the screens yes :D Apr 22 18:47:51 we have a 37" in the living room Apr 22 18:47:57 VDVsx, hehe. Apr 22 18:48:03 i am on win now, i'll restart and check) Apr 22 18:48:25 postmanPechkin: onubuntu you might need to install "development base" or something like that to get enough tools to have a useful compiler Apr 22 18:48:40 build-essental is all you need Apr 22 18:50:28 son of a Apr 22 18:50:38 * CosmoHill steps into a cupboard and swears like nuts Apr 22 18:50:41 build-essentian -what is it? (i should put there path to package or i just need to type build-essential) Apr 22 18:50:50 ?) Apr 22 18:51:00 postmanPechkin: sudo apt-get install build-essential Apr 22 18:51:11 this installs a group of tools need to build packages Apr 22 18:51:35 of Apr 22 18:51:39 *ok) Apr 22 18:51:54 or you may use synaptic or so Apr 22 19:04:35 gcc (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu8) 4.4.1 Apr 22 19:04:50 after SUDO etc Apr 22 19:05:07 user@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential Apr 22 19:05:07 [sudo] password for user: Apr 22 19:05:07 Reading package lists... Done Apr 22 19:05:07 Building dependency tree Apr 22 19:05:07 Reading state information... Done Apr 22 19:05:08 E: Couldn't find package build-essential Apr 22 19:05:08 user@ubuntu:~$ Apr 22 19:05:30 and qt still doesn't work Apr 22 19:08:23 CosmoHill? Apr 22 19:08:29 one mo Apr 22 19:11:54 it's essentialS Apr 22 19:12:00 eg you missed the (lower case) s at the end Apr 22 19:12:06 if it acn help i instaled ubuntu througth Wubi Apr 22 19:13:31 arjan, I've seen both. Apr 22 19:19:05 excellent, i have meego codedrop running on my n810 Apr 22 19:19:09 with the same excellent xterm ;) Apr 22 19:20:38 * GAN900 needs MeeGo for N1. Apr 22 19:21:00 n97 would do Apr 22 19:27:13 my lap is getting rather hot :/ Apr 22 19:27:47 yay Apr 22 19:28:16 I got my file fixed with rsync :D Apr 22 19:28:22 instead of having to download everything again Apr 22 19:29:58 http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/meegoonn810.jpg Apr 22 19:30:31 nice Stskeeps :) Apr 22 19:30:39 cool Apr 22 19:30:44 I only have N800 :) Apr 22 19:30:53 I had N900 for 3 weeks before I broke it. Apr 22 19:31:52 how did you manage that? Apr 22 19:32:13 I dropped it into the sewer :) Apr 22 19:32:19 O.O Apr 22 19:32:29 downsides of the profession Apr 22 19:33:20 poor n900 Apr 22 19:43:49 i still don't work Apr 22 19:44:16 with 's' in the end or without Apr 22 19:44:32 *it .... doesn't Apr 22 19:45:44 arjan, ping Apr 22 19:45:49 hey guys, what is meego? Apr 22 19:46:00 www.meego.com Apr 22 19:47:41 Me go Meego! Apr 22 19:50:57 WHY IT ALWAYS HAPPENED WITH ME? Apr 22 19:51:10 * CosmoHill hugs postmanPechkin Apr 22 19:51:20 *happen Apr 22 19:51:55 so, no one know what to do? Apr 22 19:53:46 postmanPechkin: i might be able to help you but I'm busy with a friend at the moment Apr 22 19:54:00 sorry,,( Apr 22 19:54:51 I'm also trying to watch the political debate Apr 22 19:55:08 postmanPechkin, on ubuntu things go smoother if you use the ubuntu software centre to install stuff, where did you get your qt installation from and have you confirmed you downloaded the complete package and not just the ide for instance Apr 22 19:57:04 ok) when i get unlimited truffic i will download all internet) Apr 22 19:58:09 thnks to everyone) Apr 22 20:00:30 postmanPechkin, if you right click on the internet, you should have an option to "make available offline" Apr 22 20:00:42 ls Apr 22 20:00:48 blah, wrong window... Apr 22 20:01:43 adorsey: command not found. Apr 22 20:01:53 huh Apr 22 20:01:55 ) Apr 22 20:02:02 lls Apr 22 20:02:06 oh ffs Apr 22 20:03:05 i hate how virtualbox allows seamless mouse pointer integration Apr 22 20:03:11 and then you start typing Apr 22 20:03:15 and it's irc. Apr 22 20:05:15 sorry, one more question, Apr 22 20:05:31 how i can start moblin on VB Apr 22 20:06:00 VB? Apr 22 20:06:00 someone here have told me that it's very difficult Apr 22 20:06:08 virtual box Apr 22 20:06:16 ah, ok Apr 22 20:06:21 I thought you mean Visual Basic Apr 22 20:06:43 i am newbie, but not an IDIOT))) Apr 22 20:07:51 postmanPechkin, i spent 10 years as a vb developer and still do same double take Apr 22 20:08:00 nothing at all related to your skills Apr 22 20:08:43 ok, but how can i start moblin on vb Apr 22 20:08:49 ? Apr 22 20:08:53 can i? Apr 22 20:12:22 lcuk: but what about VB.net? is there compiler for Linux, or for moblin? Apr 22 20:15:10 * CosmoHill gets his sword Apr 22 20:35:42 http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/04/is-android-evil/ is a good read so far (no, not wanting to pick on android, but i think we might have similar challenges) Apr 22 20:36:38 yep Apr 22 20:36:45 I read that blog Apr 22 20:37:06 Yes, yes it is evil. Apr 22 20:37:32 lots of mistakes not to make Apr 22 20:38:12 hmm, would DUI run on a device that doesn't have a GL(ES) backend? Apr 22 20:38:40 ie, the widgets set, not the whole desktop Apr 22 20:39:05 no Apr 22 20:39:31 we've been through this: MeeGo will require GL Apr 22 20:39:39 yes, i know that Apr 22 20:40:18 i'm just curious about the actual impl of things in the so-called modern touch widget sets :P Apr 22 20:40:34 last I looked at DUI code, there was GL all over Apr 22 20:42:46 plain Qt as well as QML runs without GL Apr 22 20:43:09 k - thanks Apr 22 20:46:11 thiago_home, GL/GLES to be pedantic. ;) Apr 22 20:46:28 yeah Apr 22 20:47:30 postmanPechkin: VirutalBox doesn't have the graphical capabilities to run Moblin, so it won't be able to run meego Apr 22 20:47:46 also there's a kernel issue with the Day1 release Apr 22 20:50:03 oh, i see, you already explained it. Apr 22 20:50:15 )) Apr 22 20:53:21 :) Apr 22 20:59:18 after 5 hours I found out that my download was screwed up Apr 22 20:59:27 but with the clever use of rsync I fixed it in 10 mins Apr 22 21:05:58 wb people Apr 22 21:06:30 * CosmoHill gives red hat a play Apr 22 21:14:47 right, catch you lot tomorrow Apr 22 21:16:11 hey is there an image for meego already? Apr 22 21:16:46 there is one Apr 22 21:17:24 luist: x86 or ARM? Apr 22 21:17:35 x86 Apr 22 21:18:18 and ARM Apr 22 21:19:23 luist: what processor do you have? Apr 22 21:20:10 hey DawnFoster :) .... kudos to Harri on the -dev list... Apr 22 21:20:22 hey lbt Apr 22 21:20:33 yeah, that was great Apr 22 21:20:47 link me! Apr 22 21:21:36 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001792.html Apr 22 21:22:37 CosmoHill, some classmate from intel... Apr 22 21:22:46 CosmoHill, used to run moblin perfectly Apr 22 21:24:32 luist: then you should be able to run meego Apr 22 21:25:36 CosmoHill, yeah.. where do i get an image :) Apr 22 21:25:48 I'm actually looking for it for you Apr 22 21:26:00 CosmoHill, is there an application similar to moblin-app-installer? Apr 22 21:26:17 just be happy if you have a mouse cursor :) Apr 22 21:26:40 I have some bad news, the repo is down so you can't get the image Apr 22 21:26:59 i have some good news, I retract my previous statment Apr 22 21:27:10 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/meego-preview-netbook-core-20100330-001.usbimg Apr 22 21:30:18 CosmoHill, ahaha thanks Apr 22 21:34:54 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/RHEL6-2.jpg Apr 22 21:34:57 http://black-flag.co.uk/files/RHEL6-1.jpg Apr 22 21:51:58 * CosmoHill signs Apr 22 21:52:00 sighs* Apr 22 21:59:09 * CosmoHill headbacks his desk Apr 22 21:59:13 bangs* Apr 22 22:05:27 I've installed RHEL but not the boot loader Apr 22 23:25:28 cyas **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 23 02:59:56 2010