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Apr 24 10:24:49 <Termana> yello
Apr 24 10:45:18 <lbt> meego is doomed
Apr 24 10:45:31 <thiago_home> why?
Apr 24 10:45:35 <lbt> no emacs
Apr 24 10:46:05 <Termana> Oh no! Saint GNUcious won't be happy :(
Apr 24 10:46:19 <Termana> GNUcio* something like that
Apr 24 10:46:35 <Termana> The fat man the normal people call Stallman :P
Apr 24 10:46:47 <lbt> well, that totally justifies the RWG / Surrounds WG :)
Apr 24 10:47:29 * thiago_home agrees
Apr 24 10:47:33 <thiago_home> now I have to support that proposal
Apr 24 10:48:03 <lbt> a reply to the -ml wouldn't go amiss...
Apr 24 12:53:44 <lbt> hmm, maybe meego has a chance after all... http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/extra/repo/ia32/os/i586/emacs-23.1-5.19.i586.rpm
Apr 24 12:54:01 <RST38h> is there pico?
Apr 24 12:54:35 <lbt> sure M-x pico-mode
Apr 24 12:54:47 <RST38h> naah, real pico
Apr 24 12:54:58 <lbt> does not compute"
Apr 24 12:55:02 <RST38h> not the LISP interpreter masquerading as one
Apr 24 13:09:43 <lbt> "Bad id for repo: Meego Extras, byte =   5" really means "Space invalid in a repo name" .... talk about the bleedin' obvious...
Apr 24 13:10:39 <lbt> note that byte=5 uses a base index of 0...
Apr 24 15:46:54 <MacTarbo> how can i write a .usbimg on a usb drive ?
Apr 24 15:55:42 <DawnFoster> MacTarbo: these are some older instructions from Moblin on how to write the image to a usb drive: http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image
Apr 24 15:56:39 <MacTarbo> thanks . i will try
Apr 24 16:00:34 <wolfsohn> hi @ all
Apr 24 16:03:08 <th0br0> hello wolfsohn
Apr 24 19:42:10 * CosmoHill has a hamster rolling around his room
Apr 24 19:43:14 <Stskeeps> well, at least you're not looking through DUI code like i am
Apr 24 19:43:15 <th0br0> :D
Apr 24 19:43:28 <Stskeeps> i'm wondering how it actually works.
Apr 24 19:43:31 <th0br0> or trying to find this horrible esp bug caused by polymorphism
Apr 24 19:43:34 <th0br0> s/find/eliminate/
Apr 24 19:43:35 <infobot> th0br0 meant: or trying to eliminate this horrible esp bug caused by polymorphism
Apr 24 19:43:45 <th0br0> I've spent the past 2 hours trying to solve it -.-
Apr 24 19:44:14 <Stskeeps> i'm wondering how the hell i am only getting 2fps on a simple panning on a atom device
Apr 24 19:44:16 <CosmoHill> I really should do work :(
Apr 24 19:44:30 <Stskeeps> ie, in software rendering, which it can seemingily do
Apr 24 19:45:25 <lcukn900> thought you had hw rendering now sts
Apr 24 19:45:30 * CosmoHill may require redball
Apr 24 19:45:46 <th0br0> How proficient are you guys at C++?
Apr 24 19:45:58 <th0br0> but nvm i think this problem in particular is caused by v8
Apr 24 19:46:00 <CosmoHill> Cosmo < th0br0
Apr 24 19:46:41 <thiago_home> Google V8?
Apr 24 19:46:51 <th0br0> yes.
Apr 24 19:47:26 <th0br0> It's a nice framework
Apr 24 19:47:43 <CosmoHill> I think if i didn't have a load of cables down there freddy would have taken out my server ethernet :/
Apr 24 19:50:09 <lcukn900> stskeeps but either way if its a simple screen whats the bottle neck?
Apr 24 19:51:24 <Stskeeps> lcukn900: that's what i'm pondering
Apr 24 19:51:45 <Stskeeps> i mean, from a first glance, a widget toolkit on top of qgraphicsview shouldn't be that slow
Apr 24 19:53:20 <lcukn900> does rest of x11 work at normal speed?
Apr 24 19:53:34 <thiago_home> GV is not optimised for Atom and Intel graphics cards
Apr 24 19:53:38 <lcukn900> ie before you start adding the layers
Apr 24 19:53:43 <th0br0> although, come to think of it, this could also be a bug in the msvc 2k8 compiler ...
Apr 24 19:54:00 <lcukn900> thiago? which is it optimized for?
Apr 24 19:55:11 <thiago_home> NVidia cards and ARM
Apr 24 19:55:18 <thiago_home> that's what we have in the office
Apr 24 19:55:30 <thiago_home> we can get 60fps out on the N900
Apr 24 19:55:37 <TSCHAKeee> that truly is impressive
Apr 24 19:55:45 <lcukn900> but my nvidia card is on amd chipset machine
Apr 24 19:55:45 <VDVsx> Stskeeps, H Direct UI ? :D
Apr 24 19:56:03 <lcukn900> thiago cool stuff
Apr 24 19:56:13 <Stskeeps> VDVsx: meego touch, the new name
Apr 24 19:56:13 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 24 19:56:41 <VDVsx> so last one (0.20)
Apr 24 19:56:42 <thiago_home> don't get me wrong, but I'm trying to stop DUI
Apr 24 19:56:43 <VDVsx> :D
Apr 24 19:56:57 <lcukn900> thiago just stop drinking
Apr 24 19:56:58 <VDVsx> thiago_home, stop ?
Apr 24 19:57:05 <thiago_home> stop it from being used
Apr 24 19:57:23 <VDVsx> lol
Apr 24 19:57:25 <lcukn900> so where can i get 60fps dui from?
Apr 24 19:57:31 <lcukn900> which repo is it on
Apr 24 19:57:59 <lcukn900> cos 60fps is what liqflow runs at
Apr 24 19:58:00 <thiago_home> I didn't say 60fps DUI
Apr 24 19:58:04 <lcukn900> at cal and stuff
Apr 24 19:58:05 <thiago_home> I said 60fps Graphics View
Apr 24 19:58:17 <VDVsx> lcukn900, do you have a super computer with 4gb of graphics card ? :D
Apr 24 19:58:18 <VDVsx> lol
Apr 24 19:58:50 <lcuk> lol VDVsx no need with liqbase :P
Apr 24 19:59:03 <lcuk> ahhh 60fps GV
Apr 24 19:59:18 <th0br0> dui / liqflow?
Apr 24 19:59:19 <lcuk> does x11 refresh that quickly?
Apr 24 19:59:27 <thiago_home> lcuk: OpenGL/ES
Apr 24 19:59:37 <th0br0> nvnm
Apr 24 19:59:37 <lcuk> i just know liq* stuff refreshes faster than any x11
Apr 24 19:59:38 <thiago_home> the vsync is 60fps
Apr 24 19:59:43 <lcuk> hence the 60fps == something not x1
Apr 24 19:59:46 <lcuk> 1
Apr 24 19:59:53 <lcuk> rog
Apr 24 20:00:30 <lcuk> so how well does DUI work ontop of graphicsview?
Apr 24 20:00:40 <lcuk> on anything reasonable for meego
Apr 24 20:00:52 <lcuk> ie atoms or arms
Apr 24 20:04:42 <lcuk> stskeeps wheres the code you are working from for your DUI testing - so we can get some open eyes on it to see whats up
Apr 24 20:05:07 <Stskeeps> qt.gitorious.org obviously
Apr 24 20:05:08 <Stskeeps> :P
Apr 24 20:06:49 <lcuk> reasonable enough
Apr 24 20:07:26 <lcuk> is this on n900 or on other device?
Apr 24 20:07:44 <Stskeeps> atom board/joggler
Apr 24 20:08:20 * lcuk has a joggler :D
Apr 24 20:08:40 <lcuk> running on meego base on joggler or mer?
Apr 24 20:09:39 <Stskeeps> basically i'm wondering why the toolkit is so slow (even on a fairly capable processor), when it doesn't use a qglwidget as a backport.. i mean, yes, it should be slower, but not deadly slow :P
Apr 24 20:09:44 <Stskeeps> er, not backport, viewport
Apr 24 20:10:52 <lcuk> personally i dont see why any 3d should be "slow" - we all played 3d games for years well on software rendering
Apr 24 20:10:53 <VDVsx> Stskeeps, does joggler has any kind of graphics accelerator/card ?
Apr 24 20:11:30 <Stskeeps> yes, gma500 (i know..) but i am working on the hypothesis that it really shouldn't be that badly performing, even in sw rendering :P
Apr 24 20:12:10 <lcuk> isnt the gma500 ~= the powervr?
Apr 24 20:12:19 <Stskeeps> roughly, just insaner divers
Apr 24 20:12:20 <Stskeeps> drivers
Apr 24 20:35:35 <th0br0> bye, ttyl
Apr 24 20:36:44 <CosmoHill> cyas
Apr 24 20:47:56 * lbt enjoys running "apt-get install nc" on meego
Apr 24 20:48:36 * CosmoHill doesn't enjoy adding a non playing person to his game
Apr 24 20:50:36 <CosmoHill> another linked list to deal with :(
Apr 24 20:52:26 <CosmoHill> ah new idea
Apr 24 20:52:59 <CosmoHill> add a linked list of non playing people to the map class instead of the location, since they have location IDs anyway you know where they are
Apr 24 20:53:05 * CosmoHill is thinking out loud
Apr 24 20:56:25 <CosmoHill> oh bollocks
Apr 24 21:21:19 <CosmoHill> interesting
Apr 24 21:21:31 <CosmoHill> i took the battery out of my nokia cos it has crashed
Apr 24 21:21:51 <CosmoHill> when i turned it back on again it flash up what was on the screen before i took the battery out
Apr 24 21:22:33 <lcuk> CosmoHill, lcd does that
Apr 24 21:31:11 <ShadowJK> On SmartQ you can turn off LCD but leave backlight on :D
Apr 24 21:31:15 <ShadowJK> it looks pretty cool
Apr 24 22:12:53 <CosmoHill> fu >.<
Apr 24 22:13:03 <CosmoHill> bollocks shit bugger
Apr 24 22:13:22 <CosmoHill> I've just reread the assignment and I've done something wrong.
Apr 24 22:13:55 <thiago_home> like the icelanders
Apr 24 22:14:03 <CosmoHill> roflcopters
Apr 24 22:14:06 <thiago_home> the brits asked for the cash, they sent the ash
Apr 24 22:14:21 <CosmoHill> first time I've washed my car this year
Apr 24 22:34:15 * lbt drags his mouse cursor all over his Joggler/Meego screen
Apr 24 22:34:58 <lbt> whilst waiting for emacs to download again to have the privilege to be the first X app to run...
Apr 24 22:35:22 <lbt> stupid rpm not having apt-cacher
Apr 24 22:55:30 <dl9pf> use zypper
Apr 24 22:56:28 <leinir> lbt: what dl9pf said ;) zypper is sort of like all the apt tools rolled into one - learn to use it and you'll soon start thinking of apt as old-fashioned and annoying ;)
Apr 24 22:56:45 <lbt> nah. it's not that
Apr 24 22:56:59 <lbt> it's that there's no cacher
Apr 24 22:57:13 <lbt> I have a LAN and a few boxes
Apr 24 22:57:35 <lbt> so apt-cacher acts as a .deb aware http proxy
Apr 24 22:57:55 <leinir> Oh right :)
Apr 24 22:57:56 <lbt> once a .deb has been downloaded it's in the cache
Apr 24 22:58:13 <lbt> really nice when you do things that blat local machine caches
Apr 24 22:58:19 <lbt> like rebuilding images etc :)
Apr 24 22:58:48 <lbt> of course you can mirror the repo...
Apr 24 22:59:10 <lbt> but when you're working on meego and it changes every few hours...
Apr 24 22:59:55 * lbt types yum install zypper
Apr 24 22:59:59 <lbt> and it's off
Apr 24 23:00:23 <lbt> will it use the yum.repos.d/ repos?
Apr 24 23:05:32 <dl9pf> zypper is iirc not yet built -> gnupg failing on arm
Apr 24 23:05:49 <dl9pf> i worked around it and you can isntall and use it
Apr 24 23:06:02 <dl9pf> you can copy yum.repos.d to zypp/repos.d/
Apr 24 23:06:05 <dl9pf> same format
Apr 24 23:06:17 <dl9pf> and its way faster
Apr 24 23:10:38 <lbt> zypper seems fine on x86
Apr 24 23:10:45 <lbt> I'm using the Joggler
Apr 24 23:11:41 <lbt> yup... zypper in xeyes worked fine... and it did seem quicker
Apr 25 00:11:51 <CosmoHill> night night
Apr 25 02:39:48 <Termana> hey hey
Apr 25 02:39:57 <Jartza> hey hey
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